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Give an example, and I'll tell you what I think.You say that you lack empathy for those that choose to destroy their lives. Ok. What about those that don't choose to destroy their lives?
Show me where I did. They can eat whatever the hell they want, just don't expect me to support government footing the bill for bailing them out. If they don't want to be fat anymore, they know what to do.And you may have a responsibility as an American to make your opinion known and oppose or support a political issue. But you don't have a responsibility or a right to tell people what they can put in their own mouths.
Missed that by Wake, but I don't believe the Constitution is at play here. When what you do ultimately leads to costs picked up by others, a user few is appropriate. In this regard, cost, it is govenment's interests, both state and federal.
Missed that by Wake, but I don't believe the Constitution is at play here. When what you do ultimately leads to costs picked up by others, a user few is appropriate. In this regard, cost, it is govenment's interests, both state and federal.
Give an example, and I'll tell you what I think.
Show me where I did. They can eat whatever the hell they want, just don't expect me to support government footing the bill for bailing them out. If they don't want to be fat anymore, they know what to do.
The Constitution is always at play when the government exercises any aspect of its power.
The solution is to have those who engage in acts that have costs on others is for them to pay for that and not to have a situation in which the government charges some sort of blanket cost on every one who uses some product even when it is not abused by others.
And I've seen grossly overweight people, one of them well over 300 lbs, lose a lot in just two months in Basic Training. The real problem with obesity is the psychological aspect. They decide they want to change their ways, their habits, etc. It's not easy because they're reversing everything they've done for years. On top of that, they get discouraged, because the results don't happen as fast as they would like it to, people they know bring them down, etc. It's no different than getting a junkie off smack. It can totally be done, but it's not easy. the instances you're talking about, involving glandular, and genetic defects are not the norm like bleeding hearts want everyone to think.If you actually knew how obesity works you would know this already. Believe it or not there are lots of obese people that DO exercise, that DO watch their calorie intake. That do eat healthy foods. But still cannot lose weight. The only way that they can lose weight is via surgery.
Where the hell did you get the idea that I support a food ban? I want zero government involvement on this issue. It's an issue for the individual, not the whole.Do you or do you not support restricting certain foods or increaseing taxes on certain foods to reduce obeseity? If you answer yes then you are attempting to tell a person what they can put in their own mouths.
And I've seen grossly overweight people, one of them well over 300 lbs, lose a lot in just two months in Basic Training. The real problem with obesity is the psychological aspect. They decide they want to change their ways, their habits, etc. It's not easy because they're reversing everything they've done for years. On top of that, they get discouraged, because the results don't happen as fast as they would like it to, people they know bring them down, etc. It's no different than getting a junkie off smack. It can totally be done, but it's not easy. the instances you're talking about, involving glandular, and genetic defects are not the norm like bleeding hearts want everyone to think.
The worst thing for the obese is telling them that it's not their fault. It is their fault. It is completely, 100% their fault that they got that way. That being said, they are completely, 100% capable of undoing it to themselves. Coddling accomplishes nothing but complacency and acceptance. When they just lay back and accept it, they lose.
Where the hell did you get the idea that I support a food ban? I want zero government involvement on this issue. It's an issue for the individual, not the whole.
And I've seen grossly overweight people, one of them well over 300 lbs, lose a lot in just two months in Basic Training. The real problem with obesity is the psychological aspect. They decide they want to change their ways, their habits, etc. It's not easy because they're reversing everything they've done for years. On top of that, they get discouraged, because the results don't happen as fast as they would like it to, people they know bring them down, etc. It's no different than getting a junkie off smack. It can totally be done, but it's not easy. the instances you're talking about, involving glandular, and genetic defects are not the norm like bleeding hearts want everyone to think.
The worst thing for the obese is telling them that it's not their fault. It is their fault. It is completely, 100% their fault that they got that way. That being said, they are completely, 100% capable of undoing it to themselves. Coddling accomplishes nothing but complacency and acceptance. When they just lay back and accept it, they lose.
Where the hell did you get the idea that I support a food ban? I want zero government involvement on this issue. It's an issue for the individual, not the whole.
Allow me to add: I too lost a lot of weight when I was in basic. It came back with a vengence. They whole dieting thing is a trap. The more you diet, the less you can eat without gaining. You have to be careful and realize anything you do is for life, espeically with huge weight loss.
Which is why I stated it's just like recovering from heroin addiction. You don't just kick the habit, and everything is fine after that.
Ok...so why the hell are you even in this thread denouncing obese people? Or any thread talking about restricting or banning certain foods?
I wasn't arguing with you too much, I was merely adidng. However, while I agree with your analogy, the difference is this addict has to confront his drug daily.
No, no way. I do not need the state or government in general to tell me what I can or cannot eat or how much. It i not illegal to kill one's self but don't let us catch you eating McDonald's, lol.
We need the government to stop trying to force people to live the way they see fit. Has to do with the whole "pursuit of happiness" thing.
What is the point of pursuing your own legal interests when the government makes it even more costly!
1) Oh sure...make prices of things even more expensive. :roll: If you tax one thing then corporations will just find an excuse to raise the prices on other things. Or will just do it incrementally so people don't notice.
2) Why?
3) Are you trying to suggest that people have no choice in what they eat?
4) I do support the rights of others...whether you consider them "bad" rights is just opinion. I also support the cost of those rights.
I read through the posts and I believe the war on obesity will fail, or have no great impact. Smoking was controlled only by cost, taxing it till it was unaffordable for many, thats why it was effective in reducing the amount of smokers considerably.
You cant tax through the roof all fattening foods...EVERYTHING makes you fat if you eat too much of it....this utter sillyness of banning 64oz soda and soda in machines in school not going to reduce the obesity epidemic one bit...you tax McDs through the roof...you still have burger king wendys arbies and the colonel popeyes that all peddle mostly ****...
You can try and educated kids starting in elementary school but what good is that if mommy and daddy feed them garbage everyday.
Its a noble endeavor and I would really hope it could work...but I dont see it working much at all
I gotta ask these two questions.
Do people have the right to eat? Yes or no?
Do people have the right to choose so long as they do not infringe on other peoples rights? Yes or no?
A lot of things come down to willpower hence the high divorce rate in our country due to cheating-how about we bring back laws for cheating? What is next? Honestly let peeps live their own damn lives and stay the hell outta it
You should read the OP again.
I find it funny that people in this country rail on and on about how the rich are screwing the poor yet we are one of the fattest countries in the world. I'm guessing that more than just the rich are fat. Somethings not adding up............
Why? No matter what in your eye's the obese are 100% responsible even when they are not. Its really no use debating someone with that outlook.
I find it funny that people in this country rail on and on about how the rich are screwing the poor yet we are one of the fattest countries in the world. I'm guessing that more than just the rich are fat. Somethings not adding up............
Because you completely missed the point of it. If you don't like what I have to say, too bad.Why?
I'm growing to hate this thread, as it's yet one more call for government to load another tax on our backs. Isn't 40+ taxes enough? Where does it end, Wake? I'd like to see a tax instituted for every single time a pro-tax comment is made.We seem to be breaking down, wallowing in our debilitation and lack of willpower. There is a group of people in America that on one hand opines that we Americans should be allowed to slowly kill ourselves through unhealthy food, and on the other hand complain about increasing taxes for the costs of affording the results of said unhealthy living. You should not be able to have it both ways; either support unhealthy living and pay taxes because of it, or don't support unhealthy freedom and don't pay taxes for it.
Look, we've got problems, and people need to start caring before America develops its own heart attack, per se.
Overweight and Obesity in the U.S. « Food Research & Action Center
Supposedly 2/3 of all U.S. adults are overweight/obese. That's insane.
Obesity Costs America $4 Billion Per Year At The Pump
This directly affects the cost of our gasoline. This likely affects our airlines in some way as well.
Health Buzz: 42 Percent of Americans Will Be Obese in 2030 - US News and World Report
The supposed projection for obesity in America is that 42% of all adults will be obese by 2030, and 1/4 of that group severely obese. The next 100 years if nothing is done...?
We need to act. If sin taxes "don't work" then perhaps we need to start applying regulations, because obviously education isn't reaching enough people. Charge people through their insurance for being obese. Don't feel sorry for them, because they know what they're doing. Don't charge them obscene amounts of money; start it very gradually, and moniter those results. Incorporate a "sin" tax as effectively as possible, like a scalpel. If taxing sugar and salt doesn't work, target doughnuts and fried food. Target what this group of people is inclined to devour.
Add some sort of gradual and minute benefit to those with the foresight of healthy eating. Wean the fat man off the nipple of the taxpayer, and wake up the taxpayer who supports unhealthy behavior yet complains about rising taxes.
You may think you have the freedom to kill yourself, but you don't have the freedom to kill America's future.
If there are valid links that showcase the results of Europe's regulation of healthy living that'd be deeply appreciated.
1) Increase the prices of truly unhealthy foods like fried chicken, doughnuts, eclairs, onion rings, etc. While corporations would likely raise the prices on other things, it really depends. I doubt Wal-Mart would increase the prices of vegetables like celeray and carrots if their fatty foods like fried chicken were further taxed. Instead of taxing salt and sugar which would place a burden on all, instead, like a scalpel, target the truly bad pre-made foods.
2) I don't see why not. If we tax people for being overweight, our government will gain a lot of revenue, while also affecting to some extent the obesit epidiemic. To keep it real and fair people who are heavy due to acquired mucle mass should be excluded.
3) Not sure I said that. I'm saying corporations need to stop targetting and brainwashing our impressionable children. These corporations try to hook our little ones with childish cartoons for cereals loaded with sugar, fast food loaded with salt and fat, and many other foods of that nature. How many of you parents have had a child that suffered with a toothache? It's possible said corporations had some involvement in those results by influeincing your child into wanting those sweets, persistently wanting them and others, and then eating them and winding up with tooth decay among other things.
Personally I'd like to see soda, koolaid, and other nasty sweet beverages banned from the hands of young children up to the age of, hn, 12. Children don't need to be consuming soda and candy. It's not good for your health or your teeth. There was a documentary I've seen regarding children living in the Tennessee mountains that drank excess amounts of Mountain Dew. Their little teeth were nothing but nubs. I WAS PISSED.
4) I don't support all rights. Rights are only a man-made hypothetical structure. Every day you people on the Right and Left seek to alter the rights of people. If rights can change, then this can change. I feel those who lift up the rights of those to condemn themselves to obesity-related deaths should also take more responsibility in paying through taxes the medical costs associated through obesity. It is the height of evil imo with one side of your mouth praising a person's right to kill themselves, and yet with the other saying that you will do nothing while that erson suffers and eventually dies.
Too simplistic.
I think people should have the right to eat healthy to moderately healthy foods. In my perfect world all deathly food would either be banned, or served in small, moderate sizes.
I'd say people are infringing on other's rights to the pursuit of happiness when they are weighed down by the taxes used to cover America's burgeoning healthcare costs stemmed in part by the obesity epidemic. We need to think about the future of our children, and that they will be at risk for obesity if we allow this problem to fester.
People don't have to go extreme, Whole Foods, Greenlife grocery to be healthy. For instance, a grilled chicken sandwich with fruit at McDonald's costs the same as the burger and fries. If someone wants to eat healthy, they will. They will find ways to do so.Deathly foods are typically cheaper. Take McDonald's value menu as an example. The more deathly the food, the cheaper it becomes, or so it seems. Healthy foods like 'Mary Washington' asparagus and 'Lacinato' kale will always be far more healthy and expensive, unfortunately.
Um, I sure everyone is aware that the BMI was instituted back during the 1960s as a sort of bench mark for physical fitness to determine whether a possible inductee in the military is ready and whether the country has a problem with the inductees as a whole. I do not know how much of the establishment of the BMI standards are all that scientifically based or not. I think it was established so that the inductees would have as little fat on them as possible so that they can carry around 60+ pounds of equipment for a dozen miles or so in a day.
My suspicions are that the standards are on the lean side somewhat. And of course the BMI measures fat from the bodies limbs and surface fat on the abdomen, the 'bad' fat that exists around the intestines do not come into it and is the type that causes type 2 diabetes.
Obesity is not necessarily the result of individual choices. This is one of those examples where I think libertarians attribute too much cause/effect to individual agency. The truth is, even in the absence of government coercion, we're not really as free as we prefer to think we are. If it's not the government, there are other forces that are constantly influencing your behavior whether you're aware of it or not, or whether you like it or not.
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