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The Nakba, which means “catastrophe” in Arabic, refers to the mass displacement and dispossession of Palestinians during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.

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The Nakba (Arabic: النكبة, romanized: an-Nakbah, lit. 'the catastrophe') was the violent displacement and dispossession of Palestinians, and the destruction of their society, culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations.[1] The term is used to describe both the events of 1948, as well as the ongoing occupation of the Palestinian territories (the West Bank and the Gaza Strip) and persecution and displacement of Palestinians throughout the region.[2]

The foundational events of the Nakba took place during and shortly after the 1948 Palestine war, including 78% of Mandatory Palestine being declared as Israel, the expulsion and flight of 700,000 Palestinians, the related depopulation and destruction of over 500 Palestinian villages by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army and subsequent geographical erasure, the denial of the Palestinian right of return, the creation of permanent Palestinian refugees, and the "shattering of Palestinian society".

The Nakba is described by many scholars including Ilan Pappe as ethnic cleansing,[8] but this description has been disputed by Benny Morris.[9] The Palestinian national narrative views the Nakba as a collective trauma that defines their national identity and political aspirations, whereas the Israeli national narrative views the same events in terms of the war of independence that established Jewish aspirations for statehood and sovereignty.The Palestinians mark 15 May as Nakba Day, the day after Israeli independence day.[13][14]
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The Jews brought this on themselves. As a result, there will never be peace.

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The roots of the Nakba are traced to the arrival of Zionists and their purchase of land in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century.The British succeeded the Ottomans after the partition of the Ottoman Empire as rulers of Mandatory Palestine. In 1947, in the wake of World War II and the Holocaust, the United Nations partitioned Mandatory Palestine, leading to the 1948 Palestine war and the creation of the State of Israel

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JacksinPA said:
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The Jews brought this on themselves. As a result, there will never be peace.
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Sorry, man. While I do not doubt the history, and do not deny that the behavior of Zionists in this situation was highly provacative and entirely unacceptable, you cannot point to one incident less than a hundred years ago and say this is why a conflict that has lasted thousands of years is on "the Jews". It's as erroneous as saying that the whole thing is the Palestinians' fault. Neither side is clean in this, they both own the disaster that is their eternal conflict. If everything was fine between them prior to this you'd have a point...but it really really wasn't...hehe...
 
Many supporters of Israel's 100% right to exist as a safe zone for the world's Jewish people are concerned about its current military operation in Gaza.

I am not intelligent enough to think of one, but is there an alternative way to respond to the October 7 pogrom?
 
OlNate said:
Sorry, man. While I do not doubt the history, and do not deny that the behavior of Zionists in this situation was highly provacative and entirely unacceptable, you cannot point to one incident less than a hundred years ago and say this is why a conflict that has lasted thousands of years is on "the Jews". It's as erroneous as saying that the whole thing is the Palestinians' fault. Neither side is clean in this, they both own the disaster that is their eternal conflict. If everything was fine between them prior to this you'd have a point...but it really really wasn't...hehe...
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I'm not sure that you are correct in this. When was it that Palestinians start being violent toward Jews?
 
JacksinPA said:
....The roots of the Nakba are traced to the arrival of Zionists and their purchase of land in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century.The British succeeded the Ottomans after the partition of the Ottoman Empire as rulers of Mandatory Palestine. In 1947, in the wake of World War II and the Holocaust, the United Nations partitioned Mandatory Palestine, leading to the 1948 Palestine war and the creation of the State of Israel.
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It is well people should be aware of this history. I sympathize with the displacement of the Jews 700 years ago, and the displacement of Palestinians 70 years ago. I place the blame, though, on Britain and the Balfour declaration.
 
NWRatCon said:
I'm not sure that you are correct in this. When was it that Palestinians start being violent toward Jews?
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Arabs would make Jews wear stars, impose laws around what they could eat/drink, even had them walk around wearing bells like cattle, etc…as well as making them special “tribute” taxes going back to the 8th century CE. Very long history.

The level of violence and specific to where it is now? That’s just the past 100 years of modern history.
 
NWRatCon said:
I'm not sure that you are correct in this. When was it that Palestinians start being violent toward Jews?
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Conflict in the region between Jews and Arabs goes back a long way, bud, I'm not sure where to begin. There's also been periods of peace, but there has been a lot of conflict.

If you just want to look at the most recent period of Israel's existence, the Palestine war in 47 kinda set the tone, when just about the entire Arab world marched on the newly formed Israel.

The farther you go back, the more that you have to remember that Palestine is a place, but the people who identify as Palestinian are very much a part of the greater Arab world, driven by religious affiliation. The conflict has always been between two religious entities, the borders haven't really mattered, and Isreal has changed hands many times over the centuries.

With that in mind, each side can go back a very long time, justifying their own bad behavior because of something the other did previously. That's what keeps this going, and that's what people who avidly pick a side never seem to understand. Both sides are to be pitied, and both sides have things they are accountable for.

And that's without getting into the complexities introduced by the massive amount of foreign interference in the region.

The whole thing is a mess. But, yeah, the Palestinians, and by extention the entire Arab world, despite enjoying periods of peace and cooperation, definitely engaged in violence towards the Jews, in whatever historic context you want to apply. And vice versa.
 
Its also fun watching the Jew hating colonists bitch about Jews as colonists.
 
OlNate said:
The whole thing is a mess. But, yeah, the Palestinians, and by extention the entire Arab world, despite enjoying periods of peace and cooperation, definitely engaged in violence towards the Jews, in whatever historic context you want to apply. And vice versa.
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And, of course, it cannot be ignored that the "original" Israel was created by, of course, conquest. ;)
 
Why to hear some tell it they voluntarily left their homes for a nice stroll in the wilderness and came back to find them occupied. No guns or war involved at all despite there being a war on at the time. Snooze you lose; finders keepers and all that, eh what old chap?
 
NWRatCon said:
I'm not sure that you are correct in this. When was it that Palestinians start being violent toward Jews?
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More than a 100 years ago.
 
NWRatCon said:
And, of course, it cannot be ignored that the "original" Israel was created by, of course, conquest. ;)
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After being enslaved by the Egyptians.. hehe... see how this works? It literally goes back to the beginning of time. I mean, dang, this beef is so old that peace in the middle east is a sign of end times in the Bible. I'm not evangelising, just demonstrating the perception and depth of this conflict.

So, yeah, picking a side here means ignoring a LOT about the side you choose.
 
NWRatCon said:
It is well people should be aware of this history. I sympathize with the displacement of the Jews 700 years ago, and the displacement of Palestinians 70 years ago. I place the blame, though, on Britain and the Balfour declaration.
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The Jews deserve all they are getting & more. Just look at the atrocities they committed on the Palestinians - believing they were justified because an anciernt holy book gave them the Promised Land? The Jews are getting back what they paid for.
 
JacksinPA said:
The Jews deserve all they are getting & more. Just look at the atrocities they committed on the Palestinians - believing they were justified because an anciernt holy book gave them the Promised Land? The Jews are getting back what they paid for.
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Jews will continue to exist long after you draw your last breath in this world, deal with it.
 
Apocalypse said:
Jews will continue to exist long after you draw your last breath in this world, deal with it.
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And this AM Joe Scarborough felt sorry for the Jews. I don't think he was alive in 1948 when the Jews borrowed a page from Adolph Hitler's book on race relations. The Jews are getting back in spades what they did to the Palestinians in 1948.

War in Israel is payback for what you people did to the Canaanites - or was it the Phillistines? Your god said to you 'go get rid of them. This land is yours so go kill the people that already live there.' Your holy books are red with Palestinian blood. You are receiving payback in the coin of unending war. Have fun.
Apocalypse said:
Jews will continue to exist long after you draw your last breath in this world, deal with it.
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zincwarrior said:
Good old fashioned Jewish hatred. At least you're honest and not covering it saying its about Israel.
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So you're OK with the Nakba? But now you're complaining about what the Palestinians are doing to you? Put yourself in their place in 1948.
 
JacksinPA said:
The Jews deserve all they are getting & more. Just look at the atrocities they committed on the Palestinians - believing they were justified because an anciernt holy book gave them the Promised Land? The Jews are getting back what they paid for.
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I see it as more cause and effect than a moral concept such as who 'deserves' what. This is the result when both sides fail to compromise - an endless spiral of revenge attacks.
 
JacksinPA said:
So you're OK with the Nakba? But now you're complaining about what the Palestinians are doing to you? Put yourself in their place in 1948.
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Israel is made up of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Your multiple posts deriding Jews explains all we need to know.
Chagos said:
.............didn't involve any Palestinian that I recall.;)
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First Muslim attack on Jews.
 
zincwarrior said:
Israel is made up of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Your multiple posts deriding Jews explains all we need to know.
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Israel is controlled by Jews (is kinda the point), so that's a pretty weak argument. How do you feel about the settlers?
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First Muslim attack on Jews.
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Probably not. You missed out on the shepherd who struck a thief trying to steal his sheep, the olive grower who chase kids out of his grove with a stick, and the man who killed his wife's lover in a fit of jealousy.
 
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