The Mob

[Mika-El]

Ideology drives support for politicians. Although I’m challenged as to what political ideology drives a person to commit violence when it is clear that the vast majority does not follow suit. The few are delusional and it’s through that filter that they are driven to commit violence. There are examples of this delusional thinking on both sides of the aisle. Can you agree to that?

The psychology of a mob is extremely interesting. Being in a mob triggers the same effect on your frontal lobe as drinking alcohol does. The larger the crowd you are in the more likely it triggers hormones in you including testosterone for males, causing the frontal lobe to be subject to the chemical effects of those hormones that are triggered being in the crowd. The chemical effect like alcohol on the frontal lobe reduces inhibitions making it more likely for you to commit violence and do things in a crowd you would never do as an indidual. So in fact its very very common most crowds can and will become violent. Its inevitable unless you scale down the crowd and prevent it from getting too large. As humans we primatyes or apes which are pack animals and the larger the pack we are in the more likely an Alpha must emerge to control that pack or crowd. Packs originally were designed to hunt or protect. Alphas literally emit loud growling noises and show their teeth and make physical gestures showing how tough they are to get the others in line and not challenge them so the ALpha can lead that pack. What you saw on Capital Hill was basic and quite typical primate behaviour where an Alpha ape egged on suborindate apes in his pack with grunting and snarling noises. We tend to think we are complicated creatures....hell no.... just a bunch of apes. It doesn't take much for an Alpha to take over and attack another pack and its Alpha. Biden and Trump are alphas of competing ape packs. It aint rocket science.

Nothing Jane Goodall could not explain.

 

[Overitall]

The psychology of a mob is extremely interesting. Mobs create the same effect on your frontal lobe as drinking alcohol does. Crowds cause your frontal lobe to be subhect to hormones that are triggered being in a crowd that reduce inhibitions making it more likely for you to commit violence and do things in a corwd you would never do as an indidual. So in fact its very very common most crowds can and will become violent. As humans we are pack animals and the larger are pack the more likely an Alpha must emerge to control that pack and thie crowd is controlled by the Alpha literally emitting loud combatative noises showing how tough the Alpha is to get the others in line. What you saw in Capital Hill was primate behaviour where a primate and that is what we are apes, an Alpha ape egged on suborindate apes in their pack with grunting and snarling noises. We tend to think we are complicated creatures. No just a bunch of unstable apes. Doesn't tale much for an Alpha to take over and attack another pack and its Alpha. Biden and Trump are alphas of competing ape packs. Period. It aint rocket science.

You want to see how easy it is to control a crowd. Watch the wave at a football game. Play back the Nuremberg trials, Nortyh Korean or Russian military parades, people looting

Examples of mobs rioting and looting are as recent as this past summer. Some of them splintered off from the peaceful BLM protesters. We don’t (and shouldn’t) condemn the BLM protesters for the actions of delusional people who decided to break the law.

 

[CaughtInThe]

here's a question about the mob/Republicans.



do they have any room to talk about Chicago every again?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Ideology drives support for politicians. Although I’m challenged as to what political ideology drives a person to commit violence when it is clear that the vast majority does not follow suit. The few are delusional and it’s through that filter that they are driven to commit violence. There are examples of this delusional thinking on both sides of the aisle. Can you agree to that?

1. What percentage of those that engaged in a violent insurrection on our nation's capital voted for Trump? I think it is safe to say that at least 95% of them, and you can bet your ass that none of them voted for Biden.

2. How many conspiracy theories are believed by the majority of the Democratic base? I can't think of any. You have got some anti-vax nuts on the left, but there are some of them on the right as well. You also have those Antifa assholes on the far left, but again thankfully that is a very small percentage of the Democratic party.

3. How many Democratic candidates in 2020 were QAnon supporters? Zero.

4. How many Republican candidates were Qanon supporters? Several actually, 2 of which were elected to congress, one of them was publically endorsed by President Trump. The other one was live-tweeting Pelosi's location when the insurrectionists had forced their way into the capital.

5. How many people in the Republican base believe all or part of the QAnon conspiracy? Literally millions.

6. How many conspiracy theories are believed by the majority of the Republican base? A majority of the Republican base today believes that Trump won the election, but a voting machine company, state and local officials across the country, many judges, the "deep state" - including members of the justice department and DHS, and various other villains all conspired against him and stole the election. Despite a total lack of evidence and the utter absurdity of the conspiracy theory. They even have a majority of the Republican caucus in the House voting with them. And do not compare that to the Russia investigation, because there was sufficient evidence there for Trump's own justice department to appoint Robert Mueller. So there is simply no comparison there.

I don't like the far left. I think some of the woke shit is just ****ing crazy. I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders, and I think The Squad costs the Democratic Party congressional seats. There are no doubt some problems in the Democratic Base, but the fact is, there is a toxic rot at the core of the Republican base today and there is nothing comparable to it in the American center or left - particularly in terms of scale.

If you had Democratic Presidents, Democratic Senators, and Democratic media figures with tens of millions of viewers/listeners that were spreading the kind of conspiracy theories on the left that we see on the right, there is no doubt in my mind that political violence would be a big problem on the left as well because there are violent, disturbed people on both sides, but you don't have that on the left like you do on the right in this country. You don't have talk radio spewing lies, half-truths and conspiracy theories on the left like you do on the right. You don't have youtube channels where tens of millions subscribe to lies and conspiracy theories on the left like you do on the right. You have a lot of rabid partisanship on the left just like you on the right, there is no doubt about that, but you don't have 30 years worth of insanity spewed into the left in this country like we have had on the right.

Do you see these guys? They love Donald Trump. They think he has been a great president. They think that the "Deep State" has been out to get Trump since he announced he announced he was running in 2015. They think the media has been out for Trump like no one ever before. They think that Trump is protecting the United States from a leftist cabal of Socialists. They think that Biden is owned by China. They think that the Clintons are the most corrupt politicians ever and are quite possibly even murderers. They hate Obama with a passion and believe he and Biden directly participated in a plot to have Seal Team 6 murdered. They believed that the Covid pandemic is exaggerated and at least partially a hoax with the true death toll in America of just a few thousand. They believe that Trump won the election, but the Democrats, all secret socialists, along with Venezuela, Dominion, and the deep state rigged the election and stole it.
The political beliefs those men have are literally shared by tens of millions of Americans.

 

[Overitall]

1. What percentage of those that engaged in a violent insurrection on our nation's capital voted for Trump? I think it is safe to say that at least 95% of them, and you can bet your ass that none of them voted for Biden.

2. How many conspiracy theories are believed by the majority of the Democratic base? I can't think of any. You have got some anti-vax nuts on the left, but there are some of them on the right as well. You also have those Antifa assholes on the far left, but again thankfully that is a very small percentage of the Democratic party.

3. How many Democratic candidates in 2020 were QAnon supporters? Zero.

4. How many Republican candidates were Qanon supporters? Several actually, 2 of which were elected to congress, one of them was publically endorsed by President Trump. The other one was live-tweeting Pelosi's location when the insurrectionists had forced their way into the capital.

5. How many people in the Republican base believe all or part of the QAnon conspiracy? Literally millions.

6. How many conspiracy theories are believed by the majority of the Republican base? A majority of the Republican base today believes that Trump won the election, but a voting machine company, state and local officials across the country, many judges, the "deep state" - including members of the justice department and DHS, and various other villains all conspired against him and stole the election. Despite a total lack of evidence and the utter absurdity of the conspiracy theory. They even have a majority of the Republican caucus in the House voting with them. And do not compare that to the Russia investigation, because there was sufficient evidence there for Trump's own justice department to appoint Robert Mueller. So there is simply no comparison there.

I don't like the far left. I think some of the woke shit is just ****ing crazy. I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders, and I think The Squad costs the Democratic Party congressional seats. There are no doubt some problems in the Democratic Base, but the fact is, there is a toxic rot at the core of the Republican base today and there is nothing comparable to it in the American center or left - particularly in terms of scale.

If you had Democratic Presidents, Democratic Senators, and Democratic media figures with tens of millions of viewers/listeners that were spreading the kind of conspiracy theories on the left that we see on the right, there is no doubt in my mind that political violence would be a big problem on the left as well because there are violent, disturbed people on both sides, but you don't have that on the left like you do on the right in this country. You don't have talk radio spewing lies, half-truths and conspiracy theories on the left like you do on the right. You don't have youtube channels where tens of millions subscribe to lies and conspiracy theories on the left like you do on the right. You have a lot of rabid partisanship on the left just like you on the right, there is no doubt about that, but you don't have 30 years worth of insanity spewed into the left in this country like we have had on the right.

Do you see these guys? They love Donald Trump. They think he has been a great president. They think that the "Deep State" has been out to get Trump since he announced he announced he was running in 2015. They think the media has been out for Trump like no one ever before. They think that Trump is protecting the United States from a leftist cabal of Socialists. They think that Biden is owned by China. They think that the Clintons are the most corrupt politicians ever and are quite possibly even murderers. They hate Obama with a passion and believe he and Biden directly participated in a plot to have Seal Team 6 murdered. They believed that the Covid pandemic is exaggerated and at least partially a hoax with the true death toll in America of just a few thousand. They believe that Trump won the election, but the Democrats, all secret socialists, along with Venezuela, Dominion, and the deep state rigged the election and stole it.
The political beliefs those men have are literally shared by tens of millions of Americans.

Ok, I can see my interruption in this debate is unwelcome. Carry on.

 

[joko104]

Define "Trump mob."

Trump protesters were at the Capital because they believe the election was stolen by Joe Biden's confessed "greatest election fraud organization in USA history." Accordingly, they were there to protest the elect fraud coup taking over the government. That is called patriotism.

I would search for the hundreds of quotes of Democratic officials including Kamala Harris, VP-elect and the highest ranking Democrat in the USA Chuck Schumer saying that protesting is not pretty and is patriotic - but it wouldn't matter because intellectual dishonesty and pure hypocrisy is standard operating principles of the Democratic Party.

 

[MSgt]

Obviously I'm not trying to get the opinions of those who think their opponents are blood-drinking satanists here. (Or the opinions of flat earthers, snake worshipers, etc.)

But for the rest of us, what is the primary source of this widespread madness? We are overrun with anti-freedom crazies, where did they come from?

Your poll answers are a bit shallow and somewhat elusive:

• Overt racists (nazis, confederates, etc.)
• The mentally ill
• People deluded by bad news sources
• RINOs (e.g., rich folk seeking tax cuts at all costs)
• Other (please explain)

- Racism: Was already there. We can go back to accusing Obama of being an African for when this became emboldened. Eight years later, neo-Nazis and white supremacist joined the rest of the conservatives to celebrate Trump's MAGA. In 2017, some 57% of Republicans still believed that Obama was a foreigner. Were Obama white, this wouldn't even be a thing.

- Mentally ill: 74 million people who voted for more of Trump's garbage are simply mentally ill? Make no mistake, those who showed their ass on January 6th represented tens of millions who were there in spirit. Immediately after, the vast majority of their GOP leadership persisted in their game to pretend fraud.

- Fake News: Right-Wing propaganda has definitely championed fake news and it has done its part. But this alone is too simple. People have to be conditioned to be so gullible to the most absurd propaganda.

- RINO: Rinos are the cast outs who failed to follow the Party line/agenda, and the Party agenda is to reward the wealthy. The 2017 Tax and Jobs Act is the Trickle-Down con game on steroids and all the GOP championed this.

- Other: It is other. The conservative collective has been suffering a psychological break from reality for years. Their GOP did this with the agenda to oppose absolutely everything that Democrats present and it began when Newt Gingrich chose a new path in the 1980s. By the 1990s, they no longer defended Global Warming with the Democrats and chose to deny it. When G.W. Bush was elected, he immediately told Bush that "we don't work with Democrats." When Obama was elected, McConnell, Boehner, and Ryan created the "Party of No" and made opposition their platform. They even opposed tax-cuts, their mainstay, during the Obama years. Along the way, they used right-wing media to inject irrational hatred for "the left." And with that hate, conservatives everywhere watched their ideologies fail, one after another. The NeoCon agenda was a bust. Their Trickle-Down economic theory proved a con game. Global Warming turned out to be real. Obama turned out to be American. The GOP, owning Congress for two years under a GOP White House proved that there was nothing to Benghazi. Even the virus turned out to be not a hoax. In other words, Democrats kept being correct so irrational hatred for "the left" grew to bitterness.

But what did the GOP do as these ideologies failed? They replaced them with arguments about tomato paste. About how much "the left" is just communist. About how much "the left" just wants to destroy America. About how much "the left" is out to get them. Bitterness and irrational rage is why so many of them betrayed their uniforms and their religion for a godless draft-dodger. And after four years of Trump proving that he is a national traitor and that the Democrats continue to be correct, they all just doubled-down in their bitterness and denial of reality. So, on January 6th, when this representational mob did what they did, some Republicans came to Jesus. Most did not and simply defaulted to their bubbles. They immediately conjured up yet another conspiracy. This time, Antifa actually stormed the Capitol building. And on and on they go, denying reality because they have gone so far down a path of stupidity, ignorance, and treachery, that they are petrified of having to take responsibility for their creation. They are so petrified that they would rather be national traitors themselves, within their partisan games, than look in the mirror. And the reason plenty will deny all of this is that they refuse to think beyond what the right-wing hands them. As long as right-wing propaganda keeps telling them that "the left" is the real enemy, they are comforted...even after they watched their own on January 6th.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Ok, I can see my interruption in this debate is unwelcome. Carry on.

So instead of addressing my points you just choose to ignore them. What do you disagree with in my post?

 

[MSgt]

Define "Trump mob."

74 million Americans who refused to see Trump for what he was and voted for more of this.

- The mob cannot define MAGA or even actually why they so blindly support Trump. They simply do and condemn even their own if they dare break from Party.

- The mob cannot cope with reality, thus they immerse in debunked and highly absurd conspiracy theories.

- The mob cannot deal with responsibility, thus preach about eternal victimhood in a fantasized war with "the left" for always being right. Is the virus still just a hoax?

- The mob who even now choose to still believe in election fraud and that Antifa stormed the Capitol building.

The mob is made up of tens of millions of Americans who have become so dependent on right-wing propaganda that they can't even watch Trump Nation flags, Confederate flags, and Trump supporters actually admitting who they are, without defaulting into propagandas comfort to push reality away.

 

[Overitall]

So instead of addressing my points you just choose to ignore them. What do you disagree with in my post?

Ok. I’ll address one point.

1. What percentage of those that engaged in a violent insurrection on our nation's capital voted for Trump? I think it is safe to say that at least 95% of them, and you can bet your ass that none of them voted for Biden.

I’m sure that even more than 95% of the “mob” that invaded the Capital building voted for Trump. But you’re ignoring the fact that the majority of those present that day did not join them. I usually don’t address broad-brush points, but there you have it.

 

[Lucky 1]

When I saw the name of this thread I automatically assumed it was about antifa.........

 

[MSgt]

1. What percentage of those that engaged in a violent insurrection on our nation's capital voted for Trump? I think it is safe to say that at least 95% of them, and you can bet your ass that none of them voted for Biden.

2. How many conspiracy theories are believed by the majority of the Democratic base? I can't think of any. You have got some anti-vax nuts on the left, but there are some of them on the right as well. You also have those Antifa assholes on the far left, but again thankfully that is a very small percentage of the Democratic party.

3. How many Democratic candidates in 2020 were QAnon supporters? Zero.

4. How many Republican candidates were Qanon supporters? Several actually, 2 of which were elected to congress, one of them was publically endorsed by President Trump. The other one was live-tweeting Pelosi's location when the insurrectionists had forced their way into the capital.

5. How many people in the Republican base believe all or part of the QAnon conspiracy? Literally millions.

6. How many conspiracy theories are believed by the majority of the Republican base? A majority of the Republican base today believes that Trump won the election, but a voting machine company, state and local officials across the country, many judges, the "deep state" - including members of the justice department and DHS, and various other villains all conspired against him and stole the election. Despite a total lack of evidence and the utter absurdity of the conspiracy theory. They even have a majority of the Republican caucus in the House voting with them. And do not compare that to the Russia investigation, because there was sufficient evidence there for Trump's own justice department to appoint Robert Mueller. So there is simply no comparison there.

I don't like the far left. I think some of the woke shit is just ****ing crazy. I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders, and I think The Squad costs the Democratic Party congressional seats. There are no doubt some problems in the Democratic Base, but the fact is, there is a toxic rot at the core of the Republican base today and there is nothing comparable to it in the American center or left - particularly in terms of scale.

If you had Democratic Presidents, Democratic Senators, and Democratic media figures with tens of millions of viewers/listeners that were spreading the kind of conspiracy theories on the left that we see on the right, there is no doubt in my mind that political violence would be a big problem on the left as well because there are violent, disturbed people on both sides, but you don't have that on the left like you do on the right in this country. You don't have talk radio spewing lies, half-truths and conspiracy theories on the left like you do on the right. You don't have youtube channels where tens of millions subscribe to lies and conspiracy theories on the left like you do on the right. You have a lot of rabid partisanship on the left just like you on the right, there is no doubt about that, but you don't have 30 years worth of insanity spewed into the left in this country like we have had on the right.

Do you see these guys? They love Donald Trump. They think he has been a great president. They think that the "Deep State" has been out to get Trump since he announced he announced he was running in 2015. They think the media has been out for Trump like no one ever before. They think that Trump is protecting the United States from a leftist cabal of Socialists. They think that Biden is owned by China. They think that the Clintons are the most corrupt politicians ever and are quite possibly even murderers. They hate Obama with a passion and believe he and Biden directly participated in a plot to have Seal Team 6 murdered. They believed that the Covid pandemic is exaggerated and at least partially a hoax with the true death toll in America of just a few thousand. They believe that Trump won the election, but the Democrats, all secret socialists, along with Venezuela, Dominion, and the deep state rigged the election and stole it.
The political beliefs those men have are literally shared by tens of millions of Americans.

Well done.

 

[MSgt]

When I saw the name of this thread I automatically assumed it was about antifa.........

Paying attention joko104?

 

[joko104]

74 million Americans who refused to see Trump for what he was and voted for more of this.

- The mob cannot define MAGA or even actually why they so blindly support Trump. They simply do and condemn even their own if they dare break from Party.

- The mob cannot cope with reality, thus they immerse in debunked and highly absurd conspiracy theories.

- The mob cannot deal with responsibility, thus preach about eternal victimhood in a fantasized war with "the left" for always being right. Is the virus still just a hoax?

- The mob who even now choose to still believe in election fraud and that Antifa stormed the Capitol building.

The mob is made up of tens of millions of Americans who have become so dependent on right-wing propaganda that they can't even watch Trump Nation flags, Confederate flags, and Trump supporters actually admitting who they are, without defaulting into propagandas comfort to push reality away.

^ That is why I said this thread is nothing but a baiting thread with a poll giving a choice only of which sneering attack against 74,000,000 voters do you pick.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Ok. I’ll address one point.

I’m sure that even more than 95% of the “mob” that invaded the Capital building voted for Trump. But you’re ignoring the fact that the majority of those present that day did not join them. I usually don’t address broad-brush points, but there you have it.

They were all operating under a delusion though, that Trump had won the election, probably in a landslide, and that it was stolen from him by a leftist cabal that included Democrats, Dominion, Marxists, the Deep State, and so on. Some were willing to commit violence due to those beliefs, others were just willing to pressure their congressman to overturn the election. It is a toxic rot at the core of the GOP just the same though.

 

[MSgt]

^ That is why I said this thread is nothing but a baiting thread with a poll giving a choice only of which sneering attack against 74,000,000 voters do you pick.

But the poll answers are shallow and distracting. The choices help people avoid the actual problem.

Despite the last four years of his treachery, 74 million conservatives wanted more. The whole "stick it to the left" in play and such. **** the country, right? Well, they got what they wanted on January 6th, whether they knew where their nonsense was headed or not. Only the most foolish and the most in denial were surprised on January 6th. How about you? Are you wondering why the GOP never bothered to "lock her up?" Wondering if the virus truly is a hoax? Concerned about QAnon? Do you like that right-wing inspired idea that Antifa was behind January 6? Is it comforting to you? How about that mass election fraud scheme of which produced no actual evidence? Still hoping in vain for something to save Trump? January 6 was the result of all of this nonsense, so tens of millions share in what occurred.

I believe General Mattis warned everybody during the summer that Trump was a threat to the Constitution, along with almost 500 Generals, Admirals, and security officers. No interest in that, huh? Just another matter for "fake news" or "TDS", right?

 

[Visbek]

Thomas Edsall at the NY Times has a pretty good piece on this. His specialty is getting expert opinions about economic and social issues.

Long story short: Most of it is a loss of status (perceived and real). Their resorting to violence is justified by their own sense of moral certitude, a common factor in justifying violence.

Opinion | White Riot (Published 2021)

How racism, grievance, resentment and the fear of diminished status came together to fuel violence and mayhem on Jan. 6.

www.nytimes.com

I don't think social media is the cause of this, but it is like pouring fuel on a fire. Automated algorithms and echo chambers make it easier and faster for people to become radicalized, but isn't the key factor in the loss of status and power.

 

[joko104]

But the poll answers are shallow and distracting. The choices help people avoid the actual problem.

Despite the last four years of his treachery, 74 million conservatives wanted more. The whole "stick it to the left" in play and such. **** the country, right? Well, they got what they wanted on January 6th, whether they knew where their nonsense as headed or not. Only the most foolish and the most in denial were surprised on January 6th.

I believe General Mattis warned everybody during the summer that Trump was a threat to the Constitution, along with almost 500 Generals, Admirals, and security officers. No interest in that, huh? Just another matter for "fake news" or "TDS", right?

Hundreds of Generals, Admirals and ranking military officers endorsed Trump.

General Mattis wanted the USA to go to war against Syrian and ramp up American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan - and became hysterical when the President Trump said no.

At least you admit in your message you hate democracy and voters.

 

[joko104]

Thomas Edsall at the NY Times has a pretty good piece on this. His specialty is getting expert opinions about economic and social issues.

Long story short: Most of it is a loss of status (perceived and real). Their resorting to violence is justified by their own sense of moral certitude, a common factor in justifying violence.

Opinion | White Riot (Published 2021)

How racism, grievance, resentment and the fear of diminished status came together to fuel violence and mayhem on Jan. 6.

www.nytimes.com

I don't think social media is the cause of this, but it is like pouring fuel on a fire. Automated algorithms and echo chambers make it easier and faster for people to become radicalized, but isn't the key factor in the loss of status and power.

The Mexican run NYT calling Americans racist is as predictable as sunrise.

 

[MSgt]

Hundreds of Generals, Admirals and ranking military officers endorsed Trump.

Right-wing propaganda tell you this? Where? Here's my factoid. And the majority of the military were fed up with Trump over the summer. This is what ranking officers think of Trump.

But you don't get to witness his last four years and use some General as cover for what you refused to see. I believe Trump's General (Flynn) called for the military to exercise sedition and to freeze the Constitution. There's your respect for democracy.

General Mattis wanted the USA to go to war against Syrian and ramp up American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan - and became hysterical when the President Trump said no.

No, son. Mattis quit over Trump betraying the Kurds. Use some integrity and stop trying to rationalize what you wanted on January 6th.

At least you admit in your message you hate democracy and voters.

Said a Trump follower who supported Russia's defense against American institutions and Ukraine's involvement to help Trump get re-elected. On January 6th, you lost. Democracy was protected and the voters that count won. The rest of you, who wanted more treachery and treason against democracy, who threw a tantrum for months, can join Trump in Russia.

 

[Overitall]

They were all operating under a delusion though, that Trump had won the election, probably in a landslide, and that it was stolen from him by a leftist cabal that included Democrats, Dominion, Marxists, the Deep State, and so on. Some were willing to commit violence due to those beliefs, others were just willing to pressure their congressman to overturn the election. It is a toxic rot at the core of the GOP just the same though.

No one is arguing that the "mob" wasn't operating under a delusion. That's a given. But you have to explain why the vast majority of Trump supporters didn't join them in storming the building breaking the law. If you can't do that, then trying to link support for Trump with violence fails. The question is how did these fools become so delusional that they acted in irrational ways. I could quite easily point to Biden supporters acting in irrational ways but that does not prove that all Biden supporters are irrational. For me to try to make that argument would be stupid of me.

Pressuring your elected officials via peaceful protests is acceptable. Calling elected officials is acceptable. But storming their place of residence or while they are dining to harass them is unacceptable. If what they do, by way of policy, is unacceptable to you then by all means protest. But don't resort to harassment or violence. The effort to challenge the election through debate on the Congressional floor is acceptable. The objections would and has in the past been denied. I fully expected this latest challenge to likewise fail. And in fact, after the Congress reconvened that is exactly what happened. So those rioters accomplished absolutely nothing other than becoming criminals (who are probably shaking in their boots now waiting for that knock on their door getting arrested).

 

[ALiberalModerate]

No one is arguing that the "mob" wasn't operating under a delusion. That's a given. But you have to explain why the vast majority of Trump supporters didn't join them in storming the building breaking the law. If you can't do that, then trying to link support for Trump with violence fails. The question is how did these fools become so delusional that they acted in irrational ways. I could quite easily point to Biden supporters acting in irrational ways but that does not prove that all Biden supporters are irrational. For me to try to make that argument would be stupid of me.

I am not saying that support for Trump always leads to violence. I am saying that this violence stemmed from their support for Trump. As to how they because so delusional, they merely listened to Trump, believed what he told them, and were willing to commit violence on his behalf.

Ask yourself, what do these insurrectionists believe that Trump doesn't?

 

[Overitall]

I am not saying that support for Trump always leads to violence. I am saying that this violence stemmed from their support for Trump. As to how they because so delusional, they merely listened to Trump, believed what he told them, and were willing to commit violence on his behalf.

Ask yourself, what do these insurrectionists believe that Trump doesn't?

Lawlessness and disorder.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Lawlessness and disorder.

Really? According to William Barr, Trump orchestrated the mob. Trump was utterly giddy in the White House watching the mob storm the capital and could not understand why others around him were not as giddy as he was. He even held up the National Guard for 3 hours. Even when he finally asked the mob to go home, once he realized it he could be in legal jeopardy himself, he told them he loved them and called those that they were committing violence on his behalf against "evil".

 

[it's just me]

Exactly who do you mean? And do you think their influence on their listeners/viewers is similar to Limbaugh's, Jones', Hannity's, Carlson's?

The Cuomos, Don Lemon, Chris Matthews, and Rachael Madcow, for starters.