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The Liberty Amendment [W:1505:1547]

Bigfoot 88

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Not to be confused with Mark Levin's recent book, the Liberty Amendments.

The origins of The Liberty Amendment dates back to 1944. It was first introduced in Congress in 1953. The last time it was introduced was 2009.

Extensive information can be found here: The Liberty Amendment

This is the text of the amendment:

Section 1. The Government of the United States shall not engage in any business, professional, commercial, financial or industrial enterprise except as specified in the Constitution.
Section 2. The constitution or laws of any State, or the laws of the United States shall not be subject to the terms of any foreign or domestic agreement which would abrogate this amendment.

Section 3. The activities of the United States Government which violate the intent and purpose of this amendment shall, within a period of three years from the date of the ratification of this amendment, be liquidated and the properties and facilities affected shall be sold.

Section 4. Three years after the ratification of this amendment the sixteenth article of amendments to the Constitution of the United States shall stand repealed and thereafter Congress shall not levy taxes on personal incomes, estates, and/or gifts.
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What do you think of The Liberty Amendment?
 
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I'll have to study this - I haven't seen it before. At first blush, I like #1, #2, and #4 - but I'm a little unclear what #3 is saying.
 
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It's absolutely idiotic. There are many instances and certain sectors of the economy which are natural monopolies and in such cases it is a good idea for the government to be involved, or at least private-public partnerships - examples include transportation/railroads and certain parts of the education establishment.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
It's absolutely idiotic. There are many instances and certain sectors of the economy which are natural monopolies and in such cases it is a good idea for the government to be involved, or at least private-public partnerships - examples include transportation/railroads and certain parts of the education establishment.
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How is transportation/railroads or education natural monopolies?
 
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I really like section 4, but I think taxes on property should be added.
 
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Bigfoot 88 said:
Not to be confused with Mark Levin's recent book, the Liberty Amendments.

The origins of The Liberty Amendment dates back to 1944. It was first introduced in Congress in 1953. The last time it was introduced was 2009.

Extensive information can be found here: The Liberty Amendment

This is the text of the amendment:



What do you think of The Liberty Amendment?
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Very interesting. But I have to give it some thought after reading a bit more about it.

In general there are a rule of thumb of two that seem to apply. The first in my mind is that government can produce certain types of goods more efficiently than the private sector. That would need to be addressed. A second thing I would want to look at closely is the efficiency of different types of taxation. I am not sure that this is addressed well enough.

But all said, the government does much more, than it should and spends more money than is good for the population. So something must be done.
 
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Henrin said:
I really like section 4, but I think taxes on property should be added.
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I do not agree with you on this...why.

because property belongs to people, and according to the founders, the federal government (congress) has no authority in the life's liberties and property of the people, only state government can be involved---federalist 45

and if you put into our federal constitution ...states can do,...... then your turning the federal constitution more into a (federal and state) document.
 
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Where is section 5 repealing the 20th century? :doh Or is that what the first four collectively do? :roll::shock:
 
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Bigfoot 88 said:
Not to be confused with Mark Levin's recent book, the Liberty Amendments.

The origins of The Liberty Amendment dates back to 1944. It was first introduced in Congress in 1953. The last time it was introduced was 2009.

Extensive information can be found here: The Liberty Amendment

This is the text of the amendment:



What do you think of The Liberty Amendment?
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I think it's stupid. It's a right wing wet dream.
 
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Wiggen said:
I think it's stupid. It's a right wing wet dream.
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exactly. Same old stuff just wrapped in a new wrapper to fool the gullible in between readings of Atlas Shrugged.
 
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haymarket said:
exactly. Same old stuff just wrapped in a new wrapper to fool the gullible in between readings of Atlas Shrugged.
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well of coarse.... those who believe in the STATE are most definitely going to be against anything, which reduces the power of the federal government.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
well of coarse.... those who believe in the STATE are most definitely going to be against anything, which reduces the power of the federal government.
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Thank you for the clarification that you do NOT believe in the necessity of a state.

When did you become an anarchist EB?
 
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Bigfoot 88 said:
Not to be confused with Mark Levin's recent book, the Liberty Amendments.

The origins of The Liberty Amendment dates back to 1944. It was first introduced in Congress in 1953. The last time it was introduced was 2009.

Extensive information can be found here: The Liberty Amendment

This is the text of the amendment:

"Section 1. The Government of the United States shall not engage in any business, professional, commercial, financial or industrial enterprise except as specified in the Constitution."
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What are some specific things that the federal government does now that would be prohibited by the above section?
 
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Bigfoot 88 said:
Not to be confused with Mark Levin's recent book, the Liberty Amendments.

The origins of The Liberty Amendment dates back to 1944. It was first introduced in Congress in 1953. The last time it was introduced was 2009.

Extensive information can be found here: The Liberty Amendment

This is the text of the amendment:



What do you think of The Liberty Amendment?
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I'm sure the "no taxes" would be very popular in Congress. I'd bet you wouldn't even get the Republicans to be in favor of it.
 
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This whole Liberty Amendment is far right extremist whackjob nonsense from people on the fringes of politics whose worst nightmare would be to wake up and find out they have to serve the nation and represent its people and actually wield some responsibility and accept the consequences for their goofball ideas.
 
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haymarket said:
Thank you for the clarification that you do NOT believe in the necessity of a state.

When did you become an anarchist EB?
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you notice I used the word "reduce" not abolish.

the federal government is needed but for only those things enumerated in the constitution.
 
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haymarket said:
This whole Liberty Amendment is far right extremist whackjob nonsense from people on the fringes of politics whose worst nightmare would be to wake up and find out they have to serve the nation and represent its people and actually wield some responsibility and accept the consequences for their goofball ideas.
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sounds like an emotional rant from you.:doh
 
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ernst barkmann said:
you notice I used the word "reduce" not abolish.

the federal government is needed but for only those things enumerated in the constitution.
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BS - you are not going to do what you usually do and try to retreat and retreat again by little by little paring down what you said.

Before you talkied about a reduction you clearly said that

those who believe in the STATE are most definitely going to be against anything,
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So either you are including yourself in those who believe in the necessity of a state or you are turning anarchist and do not believe in the necessity of a state. Its like being pregnant EV - either you are or you are not. So which category are you in..... those who believe in the necessity of the state or those who do not believe in the necessity of the state?

Or are you going to pretend that you are only a little bit pregnant but still a right libertarian virgin just the same? ;):mrgreen:
 
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haymarket said:
BS - you are not going to do what you usually do and try to retreat and retreat again by little by little paring down what you said.

Before you talkied about a reduction you clearly said that



So either you are including yourself in those who believe in the necessity of a state or you are turning anarchist and do not believe in the necessity of a state. Its like being pregnant EV - either you are or you are not. So which category are you in..... those who believe in the necessity of the state or those who do not believe in the necessity of the state?

Or are you going to pretend that you are only a little bit pregnant but still a right libertarian virgin just the same? ;):mrgreen:
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my statement..... post 12
ernst barkmann said:
well of coarse.... those who believe in the STATE are most definitely going to be against anything, which reduces the power of the federal government.
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ernst barkmann said:
yes, an emotional interjections are useless, and do not address any issue.
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Actually it perfectly met the central core of the issue head on - right libertarian insanity disguised as wannabe a public policy idea.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
my statement
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which fails to answer the question as to if you believe in the necessity of the state or if you do not believe in the necessity of a state.

Try again please.
 
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haymarket said:
Actually it perfectly met the central core of the issue head on - right libertarian insanity disguised as wannabe a public policy idea.
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no, your incorrect HOJ and wiggen, are two of the most emotional people on the form, and they are hardly on the right.
 
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