The Leftist Mob on Campus

[Jack Hays]

"Nothing could be less relevant except that you could provide ZERO evidence of people being harassed or intimidated for being white or heterosexual or male. You say that identity politics is only a substitute for thought...BUT you're not acknowledging that doggone near ALL the hate crimes have been against those who were NOT white, NOT LGBT, NOT female.

You claim that the source of campus mob rule and intimidation is the Left...BUT what are the tools of mob rule and intimidation? C'mon, Jack, you've been all over this world even more than I have, and seen worse things than I have...and so you should be able to state better than I can what are the tools of mob rule and intimidation. You know better than I do that the main tool of mob rule and intimidation is violence. You know very well I can show you example after example after example of hate violence against nonwhites, LGBT's and women...yet you can show relatively very little hate violence against whites, heteros, and males.

So if only one side is using hate violence and the other's not, how the heck can you say that it's the side that is NOT using hate violence is somehow the source of campus mob rule and intimidation???? Splinter, meet log. Molehill, meet mountain.

You cannot cite a single instance of conservative protesters forcing the withdrawal or cancellation of an invited speaker. The left is imposing mob rule on campus.eace

 

[Wiseone]

The principle is timeless and universal.

No its not, not everyone who gets ostracized gets to compare themselves to victims of the Holocaust. Anyone who does is an ignorant prick

 

[Jack Hays]

No its not, not everyone who gets ostracized gets to compare themselves to victims of the Holocaust. Anyone who does is an ignorant prick

Strictly speaking, Niemoeller was a victim of tyranny, not the Holocaust. If the accuracy of his poem makes you uncomfortable then my point is made.eace

 

[Wiseone]

Strictly speaking, Niemoeller was a victim of tyranny, not the Holocaust. If the accuracy of his poem makes you uncomfortable then my point is made.eace

Strictly speaking the poem is about victims of the Holocaust, which is one of the reasons its featured at the National Holocaust Museum, the author may use the word "me" but he's not speaking about himself he's speaking as an individual which represents society at large. As in the "me" and "I" aren't him or a single person, but rather represent the thoughts of everyone in society at the time.

Your reference the poem doesn't make me uncomfortable as it does deeply insulted, sick, and angry that someone would have the audacity to compare the suffering of a few individuals who lost their job or could not speak at an event, to the slavery and mass murderer of millions of people. Its really ****ed up.

So what are you trying to accomplish by making me uncomfortable? How does that give credibility to what you were saying this ting topic?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

the bottom line-leftwingers are far more likely to suppress speech they don't like then the other way around

Riiiiiight. And which side is more likely to physically intimidate, assault, or murder? The answer's easy: just compare the amount of white, hetero, and male that have been physically intimidated, assaulted, or murdered to the amount of nonwhites, LGBT's and females who have been physically intimidated, assaulted, or murdered.

Soooo...your claim, then, would be that one side suppresses speech but doesn't physically intimidate, assault, or murder, but the other side does NOT suppress speech, even though they DO physically intimidate, assault, or murder? Do you not see the disconnect there?

 

[TurtleDude]

Riiiiiight. And which side is more likely to physically intimidate, assault, or murder? The answer's easy: just compare the amount of white, hetero, and male that have been physically intimidated, assaulted, or murdered to the amount of nonwhites, LGBT's and females who have been physically intimidated, assaulted, or murdered.

Soooo...your claim, then, would be that one side suppresses speech but doesn't physically intimidate, assault, or murder, but the other side does NOT suppress speech, even though they DO physically intimidate, assault, or murder? Do you not see the disconnect there?

most criminals-when they can vote vote Democrat so it must be the left again.

 

[Jack Hays]

Strictly speaking the poem is about victims of the Holocaust, which is one of the reasons its featured at the National Holocaust Museum, the author may use the word "me" but he's not speaking about himself he's speaking as an individual which represents society at large. As in the "me" and "I" aren't him or a single person, but rather represent the thoughts of everyone in society at the time.

Your reference the poem doesn't make me uncomfortable as it does deeply insulted, sick, and angry that someone would have the audacity to compare the suffering of a few individuals who lost their job or could not speak at an event, to the slavery and mass murderer of millions of people. Its really ****ed up.

So what are you trying to accomplish by making me uncomfortable? How does that give credibility to what you were saying this ting topic?

Regardless of where it is displayed, the poem is not primarily about the Holocaust. Neither Socialists nor Trade Unionists were Holocaust victims. Jews certainly were, and their mention brings the Holocaust into the discussion. But the larger theme is keeping faith with our shared obligation to defend each other's freedom and to tolerate our differences. Niemoeller's words are spot on.eace

 

[Glen Contrarian]

You cannot cite a single instance of conservative protesters forcing the withdrawal or cancellation of an invited speaker. The left is imposing mob rule on campus.eace

Yeah, how DARE those liberal students protest!!!! It's not like protesting is part of our First Amendment rights, right? Right?

And student protests are of course infinitely worse than the physical intimidation, assaults, and the (thankfully rare) murders that almost never occur against whites, heteros, and males. Oh, and "mainstream Christians", too.

 

[Jack Hays]

Yeah, how DARE those liberal students protest!!!! It's not like protesting is part of our First Amendment rights, right? Right?

And student protests are of course infinitely worse than the physical intimidation, assaults, and the (thankfully rare) murders that almost never occur against whites, heteros, and males. Oh, and "mainstream Christians", too.

The First Amendment is not in play here. Protest is part of being an American. What is in play is the betrayal by universities of their commitment to diversity, dialogue and free inquiry. Finally, this is not a contest. Leftist mob rule on campus need not be declared better or worse than anything that happened in the past in order to be seen as the plague it is.eace

 

[fmw]

The nonsense was your characterization of my position as a strawman argument. It is apparent you are clueless. If I had attributed what I said as if it were your position, what you said or stated, then it would be a strawman argument. However, I never stated my prose was in any manner the position you made or took so your allegation of strawman is baseless, false, wrong, and inaccurate. Please spare me your unadulterated lack of intelligence next time.

Thanks for the insults. Go Irish.

 

[Sababa]

The First Amendment is not in play here. Protest is part of being an American. What is in play is the betrayal by universities of their commitment to diversity, dialogue and free inquiry. Finally, this is not a contest. Leftist mob rule on campus need not be declared better or worse than anything that happened in the past in order to be seen as the plague it is.eace

so when right wingers wanted to stop the President from speaking at Notre Dame a few years ago you supported President Obama's right to speak? Can you show me how you did that?

 

[Jack Hays]

so when right wingers wanted to stop the President from speaking at Notre Dame a few years ago you supported President Obama's right to speak? Can you show me how you did that?

The point is he was not prevented from speaking. Had ND knuckled under, they would have been wrong. That said, it takes little courage to stand shoulder to shoulder with the powerful.eace

 

[Glen Contrarian]

most criminals-when they can vote vote Democrat so it must be the left again.

Ah - most criminals are Democrats? So...why is it, then, that the states with the highest rates of homicide are all RED states? I mean, if Democrats are SUCH a crime-ridden bunch, shouldn't that show up in higher homicide rates in blue states?

Naaahhh...things like numbers and facts don't matter - as long as TD gets to say "Dems bad", that's all that matters...facts and hard numbers need not apply.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

The First Amendment is not in play here. Protest is part of being an American. What is in play is the betrayal by universities of their commitment to diversity, dialogue and free inquiry. Finally, this is not a contest. Leftist mob rule on campus need not be declared better or worse than anything that happened in the past in order to be seen as the plague it is.eace

So...when the students protest, how exactly is that not their First Amendment right?

 

[apdst]

So a private University can't choose their own commencement speaker? Are they assigned by the government?

He's pointing out that universities have decended in to lunacy, which is true.

Students at the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota have cancelled an event to celebrate the end of the year after complaints that bringing a camel on campus could offend those of Middle Eastern cultures.

Deep question: Is a Hump Day camel … racist? « Hot Air

 

[apdst]

So...when the students protest, how exactly is that not their First Amendment right?

It's hypocritical to practice your 1st Amendment right, in order to deprive someone else of theirs.

 

[apdst]

Riiiiiight. And which side is more likely to physically intimidate, assault, or murder? The answer's easy: just compare the amount of white, hetero, and male that have been physically intimidated, assaulted, or murdered to the amount of nonwhites, LGBT's and females who have been physically intimidated, assaulted, or murdered.

Soooo...your claim, then, would be that one side suppresses speech but doesn't physically intimidate, assault, or murder, but the other side does NOT suppress speech, even though they DO physically intimidate, assault, or murder? Do you not see the disconnect there?

Oh yeah?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

It's hypocritical to practice your 1st Amendment right, in order to deprive someone else of theirs.

I don't know if you realize this, but it's not the students who decide who and who does not speak, is it?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Oh yeah?

Ooohh, SCARY! It's two black guys looking tough, never mind that we don't know where they are, or what they're doing, they MUST be there to intimidate people!!!!

So let's pretend just for a moment, guy, that that picture is everything you think it is. Did they assault or kill anyone? On the other hand, HOW MANY TIMES have blacks been physically assaulted or killed just for being black?

But don't think about that, now. You're so busy staring at that Fox-approved molehill that you feel no need to look at that mountain behind you.

 

[Jack Hays]

So...when the students protest, how exactly is that not their First Amendment right?

It is absolutely their First Amendment right, and I have never said it was not. The fault is not with some silly, shallow students, but with a craven university administration that abandons its principles to placate a mob.eace

 

[1750Texan]

It is absolutely their First Amendment right, and I have never said it was not. The fault is not with some silly, shallow students, but with a craven university administration that abandons its principles to placate a mob.eace

It is not the business of the University to provide speakers a forum. It is the business and responsiblity of the University to provide an education to tuition paying students. The students are the consumers.

A speaker on campus has no right...no business on campus. That should not take a college degree to understand.

 

[Jack Hays]

It is not the business of the University to provide speakers a forum. It is the business and responsiblity of the University to provide an education to tuition paying students. The students are the consumers.

A speaker on campus has no right...no business on campus. That should not take a college degree to understand.

The university had invited the speaker, and then bowed to mob rule.eace

 

[1750Texan]

The university had invited the speaker, and then bowed to mob rule.eace

And the unversity dis-invited the speaker. The university is allowed to correct thier mistakes.

 

[Jack Hays]

And the unversity dis-invited the speaker. The university is allowed to correct thier mistakes.

Indeed they are, if a mistake was made. It is sad and disappointing to see a university abandon its stated values of diversity, dialogue and free inquiry by bowing to mob rule and intolerance. They are within their rights, as were the men who dressed as women to get seats on the Titanic's lifeboats. They are not, however, admirable.eace

 

[apdst]

I don't know if you realize this, but it's not the students who decide who and who does not speak, is it?

It's the students who have led the protests. Isnt it?