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The Left Unwittingly Admit That Their Excuse Of Gerrymandering Was Always A Sham

Moderate Right said:
Spin, spin, spin. If you believe in Republican gerrymandering then there can be no blue wave. If you believe in a blue wave then you admit that gerrymandering has as much effect as illegal voting. At least you admit that with just a 1% house advantage, millions and millions of illegals can vote, changing election results.
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Not spin. Everything I said is mathematically demonstrable.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. Apparently you haven't been reading your very own fellow lefty's responses. Gerrymandering is just a mere small advantage, not enough to influence anything.
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In 2012, House Dem candidates received 1.4M (1.2%) more votes than GOP candidates, yet were left with a 33-seat deficit in the House.
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you admit to being an illegal?
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No I am a citizen, I was off the grid waiting for statute of limitations to run out on some distribution accusations I may or may not have been have been. Involved with...
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. Apparently you haven't been reading your very own fellow lefty's responses. Gerrymandering is just a mere small advantage, not enough to influence anything.
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So the fact that Gerrymandering helped the Dems to control the House for 58 of 62 years between 1933 and 1995 is proof that it “doesn’t influence anything.” Wow. You have a peculiar brain.
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you admit to being an illegal?
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In the eighties I worked at a canning company that hired hundreds of migrant workers. I got to know many very well, they were afraid of going to a grocery store, voting was not even a thought in the back of their heads...
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. Apparently you haven't been reading your very own fellow lefty's responses. Gerrymandering is just a mere small advantage, not enough to influence anything.
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I never said that it was just a small advantage. I said that it was an advantage, and the implication was that it doesn't always garner guaranteed results. Furthermore, your response seems to indicate that you don't realize that gerrymandering fluctuates. How much gerrymandering is involved in the process matters. You can't assume that the level of gerrymandering that's been inflicted upon various states now, is the same as it had been decades earlier, or even years earlier.

Long-story-short, look at the very-changing districts, their odd shapes. Some politicians are better at this sort of ****ery than other.
 
Moderate Right said:
Every year corruption gets worse and worse. That won't change if Trump is replaced by a Democrat and both the Senate and the House go blue. It will continue to get worse, just as if Hillary had won in 2016.
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So you're comfortable with the new normal as long as your side is in office are you?

Personally I am still open minded enough to vote for a true moderate Republican over someone who is rabid left.

Can you say the same the other way around?
 
Moderate Right said:
Proof: Most Democrats believe in a blue wave coming and a Democratic takeover of the House. The MSM believe in it too. In fact, they all believe it is a foregone conclusion. How is that even remotely possible if Republicans have been so great at gerrymandering the system? Nothing has changed. So, if you believe in the blue wave then you admit that the gerrymandering argument was always a sham, nothing but an excuse.
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This thread is an embarrassment.

The very idea of a blue wave, in part, is quantity of Democratic voting great enough to overcome the advantage gerrymandering gives Republicans in certain Congressional districts.

What do you think the word “gerrymander” means, or how the term was derived?
 
Moderate Right said:
Any side can cite a handful of examples. Your post is meaningless.
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Please post a handful of democratic secretary of states purging voter roles.
Please post a Republican campaign aide thrown in jail for Idk campaigning.
Please post a democratic secretary of state criminally charging anyone for for registering.

Please post anything resembling these things within the last 10 years. I've tried finding something I can't.
 
Moderate Right said:
I do. Do you? Voters voted out over 1000 Democrats over the last 10 years. Now are you finally agreeing that it was the voters who threw out over 1000 Democrats over the last several years? Or, are you going to stick with it was only because of gerrymadering? Please make up your mind.
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I am utterly confounded by your argument. You are talking as though voting and gerrymandering are mutually exclusive when in fact voting is integral to the entire concept of gerrymandering.
 
Moderate Right said:
Oh Jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus. Here we go again. Do you believe in gerrymandering, or don't you? If you do then Democrats have no chance in the midterms. Remember, Republicans have the system rigged so Democrats can't win. If you believe in a blue wave then you agree that gerrymandering is nothing but an excuse. You can't have it both ways. Which way do you want?
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Again with this bizarre black and white argument. Gerrymandering is not some magic guarantee of victory regardless of voter desires. It unbalances the scales, it does not break them entirely. I hope I've managed to clear up some of your confusion.
 
Deuce said:
Again with this bizarre black and white argument. Gerrymandering is not some magic guarantee of victory regardless of voter desires. It unbalances the scales, it does not break them entirely. I hope I've managed to clear up some of your confusion.
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He can't digest the simple diagram I posted back on the first page. The only question is whether he's really that dense or just being disingenuous. Either way, it's a waste of time to try to get through to him at this point.
 
Moderate Right said:
Proof: Most Democrats believe in a blue wave coming and a Democratic takeover of the House. The MSM believe in it too. In fact, they all believe it is a foregone conclusion. How is that even remotely possible if Republicans have been so great at gerrymandering the system? Nothing has changed. So, if you believe in the blue wave then you admit that the gerrymandering argument was always a sham, nothing but an excuse.
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Hmmmm, you're definitely wrong, this is just basic math. What part is confusing you?
 
GDViking said:
Yah I know, we no longer have true Americans like feingold and McCain in office...
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We have Susan Collins and yet you want to destroy the moderate voices in the Republican party for being moderate. I've got news for you, I have been a very strong McCain fan for many, many years and feel I know him pretty damn well. He would have also voted for Kavanaugh. He was not some ace in the hole for Democrats just because he was anti-Trump. The main reason he voted against repealing Obamacare was because there was no plan in place to replace it with. If there had been, he would have voted in a heartbeat to repeal Obamacare. For some reason you think you had McCain in your back pocket just because of that vote and the fact he was at war with Trump. He was a strong conservative and pretty much always voted that way and he would have been appalled at the length Democrats went to to keep Kavanaugh off the Court, just as Collins was.
 
JustHanging said:
Hmmmm, you're definitely wrong, this is just basic math. What part is confusing you?
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The part that is confusing you it seems is that individuals have their own minds, and that sometimes they choose to use them.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
So . . . are you really unaware of what a 'straw-man' is, or are you just ****ing with me?

Please don't put words in my mouth. What I said was that both parties play tricks to give themselves an advantage. The only thing that I admitted to in that post is that the Democrats play games to, but I did not elaborate, mostly because gerrymandering is the only thing that I'm certain about.

What I'll readily admit to is that if they thought that they could get away with it, they would.
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Gerrymandering had no more effect than illegal voting does. Negligible. However, it has been an excuse Democrats have used for their continuing losses. They give huge importance to gerrymandering and yet here they talk of a blue wave coming, something that is impossible if gerrymandering has the amount of influence the left has been claiming for years.
 
Greenbeard said:
In 2012, House Dem candidates received 1.4M (1.2%) more votes than GOP candidates, yet were left with a 33-seat deficit in the House.
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So? In 2016 Hillary received almost 3 million more votes than Trump. Don't blame me if you have sour grapes about how elections work.
 
GDViking said:
No I am a citizen, I was off the grid waiting for statute of limitations to run out on some distribution accusations I may or may not have been have been. Involved with...
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So, you criticize Trump for the very same things that you do. Trump never did anything so bad he had to go off the grid for years.
 
LincolnRossiter said:
So the fact that Gerrymandering helped the Dems to control the House for 58 of 62 years between 1933 and 1995 is proof that it “doesn’t influence anything.” Wow. You have a peculiar brain.
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There is no proof that Democrats wouldn't have won anyway, just as there is no proof that Republicans wouldn't have won anyway.
 
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