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The lawless obama administration

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The Obama Administration has shown disdain for many traditional institutions of this country, and none so much as the legislative branch and the laws that it has passed.

He acts as an imperial leader, using executive orders to circumvent the people’s legislature, establishing a vast administrative state be executive decree.

On the other side of it, Obama has selectively ignored laws the legislature HAS passed. Those are the focus of this text. In this thread, I do not argue for or against any of these laws, merely the fact that they ARE laws that have been brushed aside by our President.

Three examples:

1. DOMA – The Defense of Marriage Act, Obama does not agree with its position SO last year had the Holder Justice Department declare that it would not be enforcing DOMA. DOMA was passed by the people’s congress and signed into law by the impeached pervert B.J. (Bill Jefferson) Clinton, who was found guilty of contempt of court by Federal District Court Judge Susan Weber Wright.

2. Arizona Immigration Law – you may not agree with the law itself… fine, however the fact remains that the state law that the Holder Justice Department is attacking through a federal action, essentially compels the enforcement of already existing federal law. It mirrors federal law, which Obama and Holder have made crystal clear will NEVER be enforced by them. Like I said, I am not arguing the merits of the law itself; I am merely making the point of Obama is selectively disregarding duly passed law.

3. Unlawful Appropriation of Obamacare funds to cover this year’s (and only this year’s) enormous shortfall in Medicare Advantage - There is not a more independent organization within the federal government than the GAO. The GAO (General Accounting Office), has essentially directed the executive branch to stop using the 8.3 billion dollars in a way that is unauthorized by Obama's own law. It is being used essentially as a slush-fund. Kathleen Sebelius appeared before a House Committee last week and basically said, no, we will not stop using that money.

To summarize, if a President does not agree with a law, he or she should use his or her position to make a reasoned argument to the electorate, which may or may not result in the compelling of its represented officials to make common-sense changes to our country’s laws. Let the people's voices be heard through their elected officials.

But not this administration… Obama acts as an imperial bully, by bypassing the legislative branch through executive fiat, and completely ignoring laws passed by that legislature. Truly, the Constitution is an impediment to this man and his apparatchiks.
 
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It's not just this administration, dude. There are tons of unconstitutional laws that have been passed by administrations both on the left and right.

As one person described it, dems and repubs right now are two sides of the same coin.
 
obama does an end run around the constitution every chance he gets. He has no respect for the document whatsoever because it only goes into the rights of the people and not the rights of the government.
 
It's not just this administration, dude. There are tons of unconstitutional laws that have been passed by administrations both on the left and right.

As one person described it, dems and repubs right now are two sides of the same coin.



Is that really your point, that you think I am saying that this is the first time a president has ever tried to get around the legislature? Try to be a little more discerning. Let's keep this interesting.

I am not beholden to Bush or any other politician just because he or she has an "R" by his or her name.

If you want to call out some Republican presidents for similar activity then let it rip! You offer little sayings...the two sides of the coin or whatever it was... back up your platitudes with real examples, if you are able.

Obama has been especially egregious in his disregard for duly passed law that he does not agree with, and I called him out for it.
 

You need to get your facts right. Just off the top of my head without researching:

1) DOMA is still enforced and no one has said they would not enforce it. Not defending it in court is not even remotely the same as not enforcing it, and it is legal for the president to do and has been done many times in the past.

2) The administration is working within the law to stop another law they think is wrong. That is not acting in an unlawful manner. Nor has Obama and Holder said they would not enforce current immigration laws. In fact they have done so and successfully.

Don't make **** up and maybe people will take your claims a little more seriously.
 
This sounds like a chian-email me 67 year old grandpa sends me constantly...
 

This, basically. People who think DOMA is "not being enforced" need to stop watching Fox News for a change.
 
Bush 2001-2009

Number Title/Description Date signed Federal Register
Page Date
13198 Established agency responsibilities with respect to faith-based and community initiatives 2001-01-29 66 FR 8497 2001-01-31
13199 Established the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives 2001-01-29 66 FR 8499 2001-01-31
13200 President's Information Technology Advisory Committee, Further Amendment to Executive Order 13035, as Amended. 2001-02-11 66 FR 10183 2001-02-14
13201 Notification of Employee Rights Concerning Payment of Union Dues or Fees. 2001-02-17 66 FR 11221 2001-02-22
13202 Preservation of Open Competition and Government Neutrality Towards Government Contractors' Labor Relations on Federal and Federally Funded Construction Projects 2001-02-17 66 FR 11225 2001-02-22
13203 Revocation of Executive Order and Presidential Memorandum Concerning Labor-Management Partnerships 2001-02-17 66 FR 11227 2001-02-22
13204 Revocation of Executive Order on Nondisplacement of Qualified Workers Under Certain Contracts 2001-02-17 66 FR 11228 2001-02-22
13205 Establishing an Emergency Board To Investigate a Dispute Between Northwest Airlines, Inc., and Its Employees Represented by the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. 2001-03-09 66 FR 15011 2001-03-14
13206 Termination of Emergency Authority for Certain Export Controls. 2001-04-04 66 FR 18397 2001-04-09
13207 Further Amendment to Executive Order 10000, Regulations Governing Additional Compensation and Credit Granted Certain Employees of the Federal Government Serving Outside the United States 2001-04-05 66 FR 18399 2001-04-09
13208 Amendment to Executive Order 13202, Preservation of Open Competition and Government Neutrality Towards Government Contractors' Labor Relations on Federal and Federally Funded Construction Projects 2001-04-06 66 FR 18399 2001-04-09
13209 Amendment to Executive Order 13183, Establishment of the President's Task Force on Puerto Rico's Status. 2001-04-30 66 FR 22105 2001-05-02
13210 President's Commission To Strengthen Social Security 2001-05-02 66 FR 22105 2001-05-04
13211 Actions Concerning Regulations That Significantly Affect Energy Supply, Distribution, or Use 2001-05-18 66 FR 28355 2001-05-22
13212 Actions To Expedite Energy-Related Projects 2001-05-18 66 FR 28357 2001-05-22
13213 Additional Measures With Respect To Prohibiting the Importation of Rough Diamonds From Sierra Leone 2001-05-22 66 FR 28829 2001-05-24
13214 President's Task Force To Improve Health Care Delivery for Our Nation's Veterans. 2001-05-28 66 FR 29447 2001-05-31
13215 President's Information Technology Advisory Committee, Further Amendment to Executive Order 13035, as Amended. 2001-05-31 66 FR 30285 2001-06-05
13216 Amendment to Executive Order 13125, Increasing Participation of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in Federal Programs. 2001-06-06 66 FR 31373 2001-06-11
13217 Community-Based Alternatives for Individuals With Disabilities 2001-06-18 66 FR 33155 2001-06-21
13218 21st Century Workforce Initiative 2001-06-20 66 FR 33627 2001-06-22
13219 Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans. 2001-06-26 66 FR 34775 2001-06-29
13220 Waiver Under the Trade Act of 1974 With Respect to the Republic of Belarus. 2001-07-02 66 FR 35527 2001-07-05
13221 Energy Efficient Standby Power Devices 2001-07-31 66 FR 40571 2001-08-02
13222 Continuation of Export Control Regulations 2001-08-17 66 FR 44025 2001-08-22
13223 Ordering the Ready Reserve of the Armed Forces to Active Duty and Delegating Certain Authorities to the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Transportation. 2001-09-14 66 FR 48201 2001-09-18
13224 Blocking property and prohibiting transactions with persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism 2001-09-23 66 FR 49079 2001-09-25
13225 Continuance of Certain Federal Advisory Committees 2001-09-28 66 FR 50291 2001-10-03
13226 President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology 2001-09-30 66 FR 50523 2001-10-03
13227 President's Commission on Excellence in Special Education 2001-10-02 66 FR 51289 2001-10-05
13228 Establishing the Office of Homeland Security and the Homeland Security Council 2001-10-08 66 FR 51812 2001-10-10
13229 Amendment to Executive Order 13045, Extending the Task Force on Environmental Health Risks and Safety Risks to Children 2001-10-09 66 FR 52013 2001-10-11
13230 President's Advisory Commission on Educational Excellence for Hispanic Americans 2001-10-12 66 FR 52841 2001-10-17
13231 Critical Infrastructure Protection in the Information Age 2001-10-16 66 FR 53063 2001-10-18
13232 Further Amendment to Executive Order 10789, as Amended, To Authorize the Department of Health and Human Services To Exercise Certain Contracting Authority in Connection With National Defense Functions 2001-10-20 66 FR 53941 2001-10-24
13233 Furthers implementation of the Presidential Records Act 2001-11-01 66 FR 56025 2001-11-05
13234 Presidential Task Force on Citizen Preparedness in the War on Terrorism 2001-11-09 66 FR 57355 2001-11-15
13235 National Emergency Construction Authority 2001-11-16 66 FR 58343 2001-11-20
13236 Waiver of Dual Compensation Provisions of the Central Intelligence Agency Retirement Act of 1964 2001-11-27 66 FR 59671 2001-11-29
13237 Creation of the President's Council on Bioethics 2001-11-28 66 FR 59851 2001-11-30
13238 Closing of Federal Government Executive Departments and Agencies on Monday, December 24, 2001 2001-12-05 66 FR 63903 2001-12-10
13239 Designation of Afghanistan and the Airspace Above as a Combat Zone 2001-12-12 66 FR 64907 2001-12-14
13240 Council of Europe in Respect of the Group of States Against Corruption 2001-12-18 66 FR 64907
13278 President's Commission on the United States Postal Service
13292 Further amendment to Executive Order 12958, as amended, classified national security information
13303 Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and certain other property in which Iraq has an interest
13326 President's Commission on implementation of United States space exploration policy
13355 Strengthened Management of the Intelligence Community 2004-08-27
13356 Strengthening the Sharing of Terrorism Information To Protect Americans 2004-08-27
13388 Further strengthening the sharing of terrorism Information to protect Americans
13390 Establishment of a Coordinator of Federal Support for the Recovery and Rebuilding of the Gulf Coast Region
13395 Designating the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria as a public international organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities
13396 Blocking property of certain persons contributing to the conflict in Côte d'Ivoire
13397 Responsibilities of the Department of Homeland Security with respect to faith-based and community initiatives
13398 National Mathematics Advisory Panel
13406 Limits the Federal Government's use of eminent domain to situations in which the seizure is for public use, with just compensation, and is intended to benefit the general public, excluding certain specific instances
13435 Expanding Approved Stem Cell Lines in Ethically Responsible Ways 2007-06-20 72 FR 3112 2007-06-22
13438 Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq
13483 Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay
13484 Amending the Order of Succession Within the Department of Agriculture
13485 Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Transportation
13486 Strengthening Laboratory Biosecurity in the United States
[note 1] National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive: address continuity of government in the event of a "catastrophic emergency" disrupt



Obama...


No. Title/Description Date signed
13489 Presidential Records 2009-01-21
13490 Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel 2009-01-21
13491 Ensuring Lawful Interrogations 2009-01-22
13492 Review and Disposition of Individuals Detained at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base and Closure of Detention Facilities 2009-01-22
13493 Review of Detention Policy Options 2009-01-22
13494 Economy in Government Contracting 2009-01-30
13495 Nondisplacement of Qualified Workers Under Service Contracts 2009-01-30
13496 Notification of Employee Rights Under Federal Labor Laws (Repealed Executive Order 13201 2009-01-30
13497 Revocation of Certain Executive Orders Concerning Regulatory Planning and Review 2009-02-05
13498 Amendments to Executive Order 13199 and Establishment of the President's Advisory Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships 2009-02-06
13499 Further Amendments to Executive Order 12835, Establishment of the National Economic Council 2009-02-05
13500 Further Amendments to Executive Order 12859, Establishment of the Domestic Policy Council 2009-02-05
13501 Establishing the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board 2009-02-06
13502 Use of Project Labor Agreements for Federal Construction Projects 2009-02-06
13503 Establishment of the White House Office of Urban Affairs 2009-02-19
13504 Amending Executive Order 13390 2009-02-19
13505 Removing Barriers to Responsible Scientific Research Involving Human Stem Cells 2009-03-09
13506 Establishing a White House Council on Women and Girls 2009-03-11
13507 Establishment of the White House Office of Health Reform 2009-04-08
13508 Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration 2009-05-12
13509 Establishing a White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers 2009-06-23
13514 Federal Leadership in Environmental, Energy, and Economic Performance 2009-10-05
13524 Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a Public International Organization Entitled to Enjoy Certain Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities 2009-12-17
13528 Establishment of the Council of Governors. 2010-01-11
13535 Ensuring Enforcement and Implementation of Abortion Restrictions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act 2010-03-23
13543 National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling 2010-05-21
13544 Establishing the National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council 2010-06-10
13545 President's Council on Fitness, Sports, and Nutrition 2010-06-22
13546 Optimizing the Security of Biological Select Agents and Toxins in the United States 2010-07-02
13547 Stewardship of the Ocean, Our Coasts, and the Great Lakes 2010-07-19
13548 Increasing Federal Employment of Individuals With Disabilities 2010-07-26
13549 Classified National Security Information Program for State, Local, Tribal, and Private Sector Entities 2010-08-18
13550 Establishment of Pakistan and Afghanistan Support Office 2010-08-18
13551 Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to North Korea 2010-08-30
13552 2010 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States 2010-08-31
13553 Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to Serious Human Rights Abuses by the Government of Iran and Taking Certain Other Actions 2010-09-28
13554 Establishing the Gulf Coast Ecosystem Restoration Task Force 2010-10-05
13555 White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for Hispanics 2010-10-19
13556 Controlled Unclassified Information 2010-11-04
13557 Providing an Order of Succession Within the Department of Justice 2010-11-04
13558 Export Enforcement Coordination Center 2010-11-09
13559 Fundamental Principles and Policymaking Criteria for Partnerships With Faith-Based and Other Neighborhood Organizations 2010-11-17
13560 White House Council for Community Solutions 2010-12-14
13561 Adjustments to Certain Rates of Pay 2010-12-22
13562 Recruiting and Hiring Students and Recent Graduates 2010-12-27
13603 National Defense Resources Preparedness 2012-3-16
13604 Improving Performance of Federal Permitting and Review of Infrastructure Projects



Summery:

Bush 288
Obama 115 in four years...multiply by 2=230...288>230

Bush still wins....

Facts Much?

Diving Mullah
 

Does an example of DOMA being enforced since February 2011 exist? I can't say that it does. If I am wrong, give an example and I will give you credit.

You then said, "and it is legal for the president to do it and has been done many times in the past." What is your legal basis for that statement? That is... it is legally based on what?

However you claim it has happened "many" times in the past, ok then name a few times if you can.

I am not joking, if you can teach me something here, then I'll give you credit for it. However please be specific.

Regarding the Arizona law... it is obectifiable fact that Obama is opposed to Arizona's State Immigration Law and that Holder is attacking it. That state law effectively mirrors EXISTING federal law, which Obama's DOJ has not and will not enforce. That is a basic point that you struggle with, Redress.
 


If the government will not defend a law, then there is tacit understanding in law that the enforcement of that law is folly.

In layman's terms, you cannot enforce a law that ANY challenge will automatically roll.
 
DOMA is unconstitutional anyway. The Federal government has no Constitutional authority to regulate marriage.
 

The fact that states still do not have to recognioze SSM couples married in other states and they still do not get federal benefits means that DOMA is still enforced. Here is an example of enforcing DOMA: http://www.justice.gov/ag/boehner02-17-12.pdf . While Holder states that section 3 of the law is unconstitutional he also states:


Cases where presidents declined to defend laws in court that they believed unconstitutional:
United States v. Lovett 328 U.S. 303 (1946)
INS v. Chadha 462 U.S. 919 (1983)
Morrison v. Olson 487 U.S. 654 (1988)
Metro Broadcasting, Inc v. FCC (1990)
Simkins v. Moses H Cohen Memorial Hosp. 323 F.2d 929 (4th Cir, 1963)
Garrett v. Alexander 477 F. Supp 1035 (D., D.C, 1979)
League of Women Voters of Calif. v. FCC 489 F. Supp. 517 (C.D, Cal 1980)
Turner Broadcasting Svcs v. FCC Civ No 92-2247 (DDC)
ACLU et al., v. Norman Y. Mineta
Dickerson v. United States, 530 U.S. 428 (2000)
Bob Jones University v. United States461 U.S. 574 (1982)
 
DOMA is unconstitutional anyway. The Federal government has no Constitutional authority to regulate marriage.

Oddly, while this is the strongest argument against DOMA's constutitionality, it is not the reason Obama is not defneding DOMA.
 
Oddly, while this is the strongest argument against DOMA's constutitionality, it is not the reason Obama is not defneding DOMA.

That is true. Still unconstitutional, no matter why he won't defend it.
 

Do you even know what DOMA does? Asking for an example of "DOMA being enforced" seems to indicate that you do not.


The important bits about DOMA:

In short, the Federal government does not recognize same-sex couples as being married, and a state is not required to recognize a same-sex marriage that was issued in a different state.

So, I can't really prove to you that DOMA is still being enforced. It's enforced by... not forcing a state to recognize a marriage, it's enforced by the Federal government not treating same-sex couples as married. You can't really prove a negative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

So, it really needs to go the other way around. You need to show me a state that was required to recognize a same-sex marriage issued in another state. This hasn't happened.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/u...riage-carmen-cardona-sues.html?pagewanted=all


A legally married person was denied VA benefits because the Federal government did not recognize their marriage. October 2011. Maybe I can prove that after all!
 
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Actually that is false, the Obama administration stated that they wouldn't be defending DOMA in court (Obama administration will no longer defend DOMA - Political Hotsheet - CBS News). However, DOMA is still being enforced (Frequently Asked Questions: Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) | GLAAD)
 
To me, DOMA clearly violates the "full faith and credit" clause of the US constitution, as well as the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

It shouldn't be defended in court by the government, because there are no constitutional grounds to defend it on!
 
Anyone know anything about this "slush fund" allegation? I've poked around google but all I find is the same copy/pasted stuff on a million different right-wing sites.

Edit: Hah.


"Ordered to stop?" Not really. "Slush fund?" Nothing of the sort. The GAO thinks it's not going to effectively demonstrate what it is setting out to demonstrate. I personally agree. The administration does not. Lawless? Hardly. I think perhaps our illustrious OP has a misunderstanding of the scope of the GAO's authority.

http://gao.gov/products/GAO-12-409R

So, that's all three points in the OP knocked out.

Clearly a lawful administration!
 
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So allow the courts to excercise judicial oversight... instead of what our Imperial President is doing.
 

You seemed to be hanging on to the "enforce" vs. "defense" distinction... So now you will admit that a government's unwillingness to defend signifies tacit nonenforcement? It is almost silly to have to say it, because it is so obvious, however there is a fair amount of opinion within gay intellegensia (for some reason) that seeks to make the distinction so significant.
 
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No, my point is that every president has done this, why all of a sudden you're furious when Bush was doing this for years.

SORNA is unconstitutional because it levies punishment beyond that of the courts. That's not legal. But, since everyone hates these people, nobody challenges it.

I offer my "little sayings" because they are true. Democrats spend like drunken sailers, republicans spend like drunken sailors.

Democrats try to get votes by buying them from the poor, republicans try to get votes by buying them from the rich.

It's the same **** dude.
 
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Enforce a law and defend a law are two entirely different things. They are not related. DOMA is the law and is being enforced. You played this all wrong. When your argument got blown up in your face, you should have admitted you where wrong. That saves a little face.

And what in the **** is the "gay intellegensia"? That has to be the most ****ing stupid thing I have heard...
 

I have gone and looked and I do admit that there are cases I had never heard of where laws were not defended, hence unenforcable. You won't admit that you can't enforce what is indefensible?

You've never heard of "gay intellegensia?" Seriously?
 
Obama has disregarded the limits of the exec branch. It's a dangerous precedent, especially considering that Congress has not challenged him for the most part.
 
No, my point is that every president has done this...

You are probably more right than I want to admit...I can agree with you about these freakin' checkered-pants big-government republicans, like Rockefeller, Nixon, Bush and McCain (and I am afraid, Romney). They make me sick, but never have we seen someone like Obama.

Obama is the new democrat party personified. The democrat party of Truman, JFK and Scoop Jackson are a far-cry from what the party became starting in the 60's and 70's with guys like LBJ, McGovern and Carter. The left has been radicalized in the past 20 years or so, the "progressive" wing is filled with a bunch of kooks like Pelosi and Schumer.

I like this site, but for now this is helping me vent... I am honestly terrified for the future of this country. I have two little kids and I feel a responsibility to speak out against this crazy, out of control government. Do you guys know that in 12 years Medicare is belly-up? (Not counting if Obamacare hits) And after that, it will really be on!

If there is a place for a little keynesian govt. stimulus... so be it! But, damnit, our debt has just blown by the 100% of GDP mark. My wife is from Spain and I lived there for three years from 2002 to 2005. They have an out of control socialist government (the conservatives are in power for now , but they are in deep ****!) Unemployment is 24.4% and climbing. They just entered another recession this week. Where we are going to visit this summer, unemployment among young people is 33%. The government has regulations on top of regulations. It is so hard to open a business there and the taxes and regulations are oppresive. Like it is getting quickly in California. The state government has ruined a beautiful state. Guys, the future is right in fromt of us... Spain, Portugal, California.. the United States.

We were founded on restraint of government (of King George III) and we kicked their asses to have a chance for freedom and self-determination. But we are not cruel. We have Medicaid, medicare, food stamps, you cannot be turned away from an emergency room... and more govt. programs than any of you can name...

Have you ever met anybody from Cuba? So often they are conservative because they know what an oppresive govt. is. "Oh, come on, Comment_Guy!! ...comparing us to Cuba." I am telling you...the only thing really protecting us from that "soft-tyranny" that Alexis de Toqueville warned about... is our Constitution. And so many from the left would see us unmoored from it. The Constitution is all that guards us from the allure of a perfectly "fair" egalitarian state... like Cuba or Bolivia, where leftist strong men have seized power in the name of fairness.

We are not too far behind them. Look, I have voted for democrats before, but if Obama wins in November, we are in deep ****. I really believe it. Guys, governments fail, countries fail, states fail... if you think the U.S. cannot fail...
 
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