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The Kurds Have Been Betrayed Again by Washington

Rogue Valley:

NATO would not be allowed to send large ships through the straits if Turkey enforced the letter of the law regarding the Montreux Convention. Displacement limits would prevent US and NATO amphibious assault ships and aircraft carriers from moving through the Straits if Turkey applied the letter of the law. Futthermore NATO would have to give Turkey 8-15 days of notice before moving through the strait and would have to give the date of transit ahead of time. No ship borne aircraft could fly during the transit and the transit would have to be done during daylight hours. Finally Turkey might be able to declare NATO warships as hostile warships and block them entirely.

https://cil.nus.edu.sg/wp-content/u...ntion-Regarding-the-Regime-of-the-Straits.pdf

So my point still stands.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Again. Poppycock. The West has never sent such warships through the Bosporus Strait. If it came to that, the sensible thing for the West to do would be to mine the Strait and close it to Russian shipping. The Russian Black Sea fleet ships would be trapped either in their home port or beyond the safety of the home port.
 
Trump's idea is that the Syrian Army will regain control of the North East Syria.....

That's not Trumps idea. He could care less what catastrophe befalls our Kurd allies in Syria.

That is the entreaty floated by the Kurds themselves to Assad and Putin. Better those evils than an Erdogan slaughter.
 
I wouldn’t say the Kurds have been abandoned by anyone. Their oil exports and income from royalty revenue has increased every month for the past eight years.
 
Its MY country and I take a lot of pride in it. Living wherever the hell you are living, why do you care why I care?

Mind your own business as we Americans say. Yano?

Being an American, it is my business Pablo.
 
Graham: Withdrawal of US troops in Syria could lead to Kurdish deaths

12/30/18
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said on Sunday that withdrawing US troops from Syria could directly result in the deaths of Kurdish people there and that he plans to make a case to President Donald Trump today to reconsider his plans. "There are three things important for this country. Number one, make sure that ISIS never comes back in Syria," Graham said to CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union." "We need to keep our troops there. They're inside the ten-yard line in defeating ISIS, but we're not there yet. If we leave now, the Kurds are going to get slaughtered." "How are you going to convince President Trump to do that?" Bash asked. "I'm going to talk to him at lunch," Graham replied, referring to a lunch meeting he is set to have with Trump on Sunday. "The President is reconsidering how we do this, he's frustrated," he added. Trump's decision earlier this month to order his staff to execute the "full" and "rapid" withdrawal of US military from Syria was met with harsh criticism from both sides of the aisle. Hours after the announcement, Graham decried the move as a "disaster" and "a stain on the honor of the United States."

On Sunday, he warned against the transfer of security in Syria from the US to Russian and Turkish forces, a change that could leave the Syrian Kurds, whom the United States has assisted and armed, at risk from both ISIS and Turkey. "I'm asking the President to make sure that we have troops there to protect us. Don't outsource our national security to some foreign power," Graham said. "If we leave now the Kurds will get in a fight with Turkey, they could get slaughtered. Who would help you in the future?"

Absent any clear thinking by Trump, the Syrian Kurds will be forced to align with Assad/Putin. But they would no doubt be ordered to de-militarize.

This would leave them vulnerable in the extremis. I'm not sure they would accept such vulnerability. The road ahead is going to be difficult.
 
Almost 23,000 posts. Not my fault you don't keep up, Sherlock.
Follow nearly 23k empty posts, judging from the overabundance of such I have personally, involuntarily run across here... in the chance circumstance that you just might come out of the closet in one of those posts as being an actual American?

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

For what? I don't sit around twiddling my thumbs all the time like some, plus I am damned proud of MY country. You still haven't outed yourself, even hinted whether or not you are or not...

Which is it, Clouseau...ashamed or...
 
President Trump to slow down troop pullout from Syria, Sen. Lindsey Graham says

12/31/18
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump has ordered a slowdown to the withdrawal of U.S. forces in Syria, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday. "I think we're in a pause situation," the South Carolina Republican said outside the White House after lunch with the president. Trump announced earlier this month that he was ordering the withdrawal of all the roughly 2,000 troops from war-torn Syria, with aides expecting it to take place swiftly. The president had declared victory over the Islamic State group in Syria, though pockets of fighting remain. Graham had been an outspoken critic of Trump's decision, which had drawn bipartisan criticism. The announcement also had shocked lawmakers and American allies, including Kurds who have fought alongside the U.S. against the Islamic State group and face an expected assault by Turkey. "I think we're slowing things down in a smart way," Graham said, adding that Trump was very aware of the plight of the Kurds.

Good news if true. However, not a long term solution. Back to the drawing board Donnie.
 
Yeah, it's shameful what America has done to the Kurds. Not the first time either.

I mean, we helped the south Vietnamese, who helped us. We helped the Hmong, who helped us.

Yet, we stick it to the Kurds, who helped us, everytime. Sucks that their choice of residency is in such a contentious region.

Maybe we should give them Montana.

Better that than keeping American troops in the region.
 
Yup, let us not forget that the Kurds have also engaged in terrorism, so we shouldnt place those white hats on their heads just yet.

Yes, they are ISIS (and Turkey) terrorists. BTW, that's how Bin Laden started out. He was a terrorist of the Soviet Union and the US supplied arms and backed his fighters in Afghanistan.
 
I'm actually quite warm to this idea. I would personally be quite happy to give Kurdish refugees from Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran first place in line to immigrate to the United States, along with religious minority refugees from the Middle East (Christians, Yazidis, Baha'is, etc.). So long as they are not sectarian fanatics and resonate to America's values of democracy, rule of law, freedom of religion and tolerance of religious and ideological minorities, I think we should open our doors to them.

Better that than keeping American troops in the area. Good Lord, including America aiding Bin Laden in Afghanistan, the US has had military influence in Afghanistan since the 1980s.
 
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Better that than keeping American troops in the region.

A growing number of Americans have lost the desire to try to maintain peace in the world by stationing troops in savage barbarian nations.
 
A growing number of Americans have lost the desire to try to maintain peace in the world by stationing troops in savage barbarian nations.

And the US has maintained its presence in Afghanistan since the 1980s with their backing of Osama Bin Laden against the Soviet Union.
 
You have your DP rep. I'll leave it at that.
Thanks, I most certainly hope so.

Doesn't answer the question, tho, solely a feeble deflection, the end game that you hadn't quite thought out when you started this petty gambit. SO...

Since you did not immediately jump for the ladder up and out of the pit I just offered you... replaced it with an ad hom and thereby shunned the opportunity, you instead jumped feet first into the hole. You see, you avoid any hint that you might be a proud American... yet a citizen with all the rights so accorded, eh?

Trapped, perhaps? Noticeable the nonanswer to the direct question, so silence on the issue becomes more than mere implication... you absolutely are ashamed of our country.

Busted.
 
A growing number of Americans have lost the desire to try to maintain peace in the world by stationing troops in savage barbarian nations.
That is a thing upon which I think most people agree, certainly mirrors my sentiments on the topic.

The true fly in the ointment, it seems, is how we keep our thumbs properly on the pulse of those areas of the world that would, in the future, seek to do us harm. The AQ-Taliban style problem anew.
 
That is a thing upon which I think most people agree, certainly mirrors my sentiments on the topic.

The true fly in the ointment, it seems, is how we keep our thumbs properly on the pulse of those areas of the world that would, in the future, seek to do us harm. The AQ-Taliban style problem anew.

The truth is that there is no real peace and safety to be found anywhere except in the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
The truth is that there is no real peace and safety to be found anywhere except in the Lord Jesus Christ.
While that may be the exact truth, God gave us brains for a reason... one being to figure out those ways to best protect ours and ourselves.

Happy New Year...to another great year to rejoice at having been given the gift of life!!!
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Since you did not immediately jump for the ladder up and out of the pit I just offered you... replaced it with an ad hom and thereby shunned the opportunity, you instead jumped feet first into the hole. You see, you avoid any hint that you might be a proud American... yet a citizen with all the rights so accorded, eh?.

I served my country in field. What were you, one of Noriega s thugs?
 
I served my country in field. What were you, one of Noriega s thugs?
I served my country in the classroom and in the private sector, working hard, paying my taxes, voting, studiously keeping up with events, both foreign and domestic, as well as being scrupulously honest in my dealings... a good upstanding citizen.

Now, why are you avoiding answering the real question? Are you truly proud of our Country, the great old US of A... or ashamed? In my estimation, two denials of the opportunity to declare to the positive...only confirms that you are not.

PS Our guys "in the field" took Noriega out before I ever even visited this famous Isthmus... I am working the peace, bringing my own North American goodwill to our southern neighbors whom we invaded, occupied for a short while.

As an aside, most all that I have talked to, from cab drivers to businessmen to government workers on this topic here, think the US did the right thing and are appreciative.

I am appreciative to have such good folks as my neighbors, mis vecinos. I have created my own utopia, thank you God, thank you USA.

MAGA
 
I served my country in the classroom and in the private sector, working hard, paying my taxes, voting, studiously keeping up with events, both foreign and domestic, as well as being scrupulously honest in my dealings... a good upstanding citizen.

Yet like Trump, you want to demean someone that actually saddled-up and served overseas. Figures.
 
Yet like Trump, you want to demean someone that actually saddled-up and served overseas. Figures.

:lamo

It simply is not necessary for me to demean you, you do yourself that disservice. I have given you plenty of opportunity to express your pride or gratitude for being a citizen of the greatest nation in the history of the planet.

You simply refuse time and again. I make no more offers, its disgraceful enough already. I am serving as a goodwill ambassador of friendship outta country right now in Panama...matter of fact. I will have children here, help our national friendships in my little corner of the globe grow.

What are you doing besides downing everything that is not geared towards a socialist America in your posts... and trying to subvert our posterity?
 
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