Arcadius
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Cole, based on the plea and the details in the OP article, it does appear to be not just murder, but premeditated murder. If what has been reported so far is true(which is an assumption and not necessarily the case), then there are no excuses for what they did. It was vile, it hurts the mission, it was wrong in every aspect and they deserve everything they get from the judicial system.
it doesn't make them any less guilty, nor does it alter the necessary eventual response. like a beaten dog that attacks people, you can feel sorry that it turned, but you still have to put it down.
I just don't understand when it crosses the line into atrocity. 1,000s of civilians have been killed in every U.S. military conflict. Why is it suddenly evil when these guys do it?
There is nothing debatable here. It seems to me that the main intent of the OP is to demonize the US military.Why are we debating **** like this? What the **** is there to debate about it. All this thread is for, is a so liberal can kick the military in the teeth and that is all it's for. Tell me what's here to discuss.
This is a political forum and this is a big news story with political consequences, isn't that enough to start a thread?
The only part of the OP that could be construed as criticism of the military is this: I don't know which bit is the worst part. The idea the photos were attempted to be hidden by the US or the apology only came when they got leaked.
Is the OP wrong in saying that the military attempted to hide the photos and/or that the apology only came after the story has leaked?
If the OP is wrong, then show that it is wrong and clear the criticisms against the Military's handling of this situation.
If it is correct, then it's valid criticisms of the US military. If valid criticism base on fact is "demoniz[ing]" then the military essentially gets a free-pass with no accountability. The people at the top needs to learn that when something goes wrong, hidding them from the public (who they are supposed to work for) is not okay. There's a small group within any organisation that might do wrong, own up to that fact without being forced to by the media and learn from it.
yes, because if there is one thing that we don't have, it's gangs in inner cities. or violent pockets of extremism in France. or cartels in Mexico.
I just don't understand when it crosses the line into atrocity. 1,000s of civilians have been killed in every U.S. military conflict. Why is it suddenly evil when these guys do it?
I just don't understand when it crosses the line into atrocity. 1,000s of civilians have been killed in every U.S. military conflict. Why is it suddenly evil when these guys do it?
Because when these guys do it it's a "few bad apples". When it's "business as usual" it's collateral losses.
This is probably the dumbest argument I've ever seen on DP, TOT included.
Because when these guys do it it's a "few bad apples". When it's "business as usual" it's collateral losses.
Just guessing here, but I would speculate that drug abuse played a major part in this. Afghanistan and heroin are synonymous.
Way back in the old days, those engaging in combat wore distinct uniforms and the two sides met on a field of battle. Today, the enemy wears clothes like their civilian counterparts and hide amongst women and children, using them as shields and counting on the conscience of their opponents to hesitate or hold fire. Today, civilians will die. Its a fact of modern warfare. The military takes every effort to limit casualties. Can anyone say the same about their opponents? In fact their opponents go out of their way to kill innocents in markets and clubs. Different mindset altogether. And these people that are accused of murder...they also are of a different mindset.
It might not even be under those circumstances.At some times the pictures are required by an officer higher up not theyre fault.
Casualties of war occur. In this instance these civilians are alleged to be the target of intentional acts.
there's not a chance in hell that anyone in their right mind would want to be in possession of a picture like the first one. it's incriminating.It might not even be under those circumstances.At some times the pictures are required by an officer higher up not theyre fault.
4000 of them by 12 people?
but who were the civilians? random people pulled out of their houses? part of the Talibans' early warning network? fighters? narcotics smugglers?
Casualties of war occur. In this instance these civilians are alleged to be the target of intentional acts.
Based on the murder guilty plea noted in the earlier post, am led to believe that the soldier didn't have any such defense
Way back in the old days, those engaging in combat wore distinct uniforms and the two sides met on a field of battle. Today, the enemy wears clothes like their civilian counterparts and hide amongst women and children, using them as shields and counting on the conscience of their opponents to hesitate or hold fire. Today, civilians will die. Its a fact of modern warfare. The military takes every effort to limit casualties. Can anyone say the same about their opponents? In fact their opponents go out of their way to kill innocents in markets and clubs. Different mindset altogether. And these people that are accused of murder...they also are of a different mindset.
If the US military have guidelines that soldiers can take pictures of corpses as celebratory souvenirs, you think that would be seen as "okay"?
but who were the civilians? random people pulled out of their houses? part of the Talibans' early warning network? fighters? narcotics smugglers?
There is nothing debatable here. It seems to me that the main intent of the OP is to demonize the US military.
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