The kids are taking a stand!

[maxparrish]

Okay, now you've had your warning.
Since it is not my gun, it is not my problem.
I own a pistol, an old hunting rifle and a shotgun.

So you potentially get your brother in trouble with the law, and then claim its not your problem.

Is this the liberal ethos you adhere to?

 

[jaeger19]

Then ignore the people you call idiots. I care not. The NRA, whether it's extremist or not, has undue influence over the political process and my life. Just like every other uber-lobby. The fact that you like their message doesn't matter.

Only because of the liberal democrats that make firearms a political lightening rod.

 

[jaeger19]

Those people don't concern me. I don't know why they concern you either. There is exactly no chance in the world that all guns will ever be banned in the US. If pro-gun folks refuse to have a conversation about any guns at all (and some do), then they are just as bad as the people you're talking about. Also, to "simply support and protect the 2A" implies that we share the same interpretation of the 2A. We don't. In any event, as I already said, this conversation shouldn't be just about guns because it triggers all the idiots on both extremes. We need to talk about why some people feel justified or encouraged to kill lots of other people. It's a demented aspect of our culture that smart, calm, rational people should be able to address.

Why?

Please explain why... when you have claimed yourself... that you "don't believe its the gun;s fault"..... that when pro gun folks..... bring up that point....... they are "just as bad"..

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So you potentially get your brother in trouble with the law, and then claim its not your problem.

Is this the liberal ethos you adhere to?

I think we're done here, Mister Troll.
Have a nice day

 

[RF667799]

Clearly both of you are far more expert on this than I am but what I am interpreting from the last few posts is that at least one of you thinks that the sky is falling and your rights, or the rights of someone else, are disappearing because of what boils down to a piddling minor inconvenience.
Oh boo hoo, I can't order bang bangs shipped online to the City of Los Angeles.

I'm sorry but I really don't mind the piddling little inconvenience of having to go to the stupid gun store.
In fact, I prefer to do it that way and always have, because even though I do OWN a couple of guns, I prefer to stand there and talk to people who really know their stuff.

For instance, I didn't used to know that my Makarov could shoot 380 ammo. For years I was purchasing very expensive Federal 9X18 rounds when I could have just gotten cheaper 380 rounds. The ass hat at the store in TX didn't mention it but he could have. My guy here in LA told me right off.
"Here, let me save you some money, use 380, if you're shooting under 30 yards it won't be a problem."

None of that answered my question.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

None of that answered my question.

Oh well, guess you'll have to be satisfied with what I wrote then...or not.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Only because of the liberal democrats that make firearms a political lightening rod.

Yet you keep bringing up guns when I keep bringing up the root causes of mass violence. You're showing your ass.

 

[trouble13]

We are in general agreement on that. I like the student activivism, I just want to make sure it is grass roots and meaningful towards real solutions which in this case is about the mental health of the shooters and the lack of attention given to that.

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Grass roots or not the left is trying to weaponized children against the right. They can have all the opinions they want but I'm no longer interested in hearing them. I've heard enough to understand what they are about.

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[MateoMtnClimber]

Why?

Please explain why... when you have claimed yourself... that you "don't believe its the gun;s fault"..... that when pro gun folks..... bring up that point....... they are "just as bad"..

Why what? Why are pro-gun folks assholes like anti-gun folks are assholes? Because they both are obsessed with guns and they both prevent the country from having a productive conversation about mass murder. How many times do I have to say it before you get it?

 

[RF667799]

Oh well, guess you'll have to be satisfied with what I wrote then...or not.

Hmm....you directly quoted me and even referred to my question in the body of your post.

Doesn't matter though. Your avoidance was plenty illuminating.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yet you keep bringing up guns when I keep bringing up the root causes of mass violence. You're showing your
ass.

Because of history, and that mass murders would be very difficult without guns, I think Americans are going to have to fix the means of mass murder before they can begin to probe and/or understand the causes of mass murder.

And that will only happen when the weapons manufacturers are willing to allow it

 

[Strategery]

I don't understand why we give legitimacy to the political opinions of minors. What happened to listening to experts? Why doesn't cable news let experts and academics who have actually studied the facts debate instead of children. Is a child's opinion really more important than somebody who has devoted their life's work to studying gun violence?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hmm....you directly quoted me and even referred to my question in the body of your post.

Doesn't matter though. Your avoidance was plenty illuminating.

And now you're trolling, so go away. I do not have to play victim to your nonsense. Bye bye.

 

[RF667799]

And now you're trolling, so go away. I do not have to play victim to your nonsense. Bye bye.

Nope. Didn't require a response from you. My statement is valid as it stands.

You're right that you don't have to play victim. Though nobody is stopping you. Play act all you wish.

 

[trouble13]

Because of history, and that mass murders would be very difficult without guns, I think Americans are going to have to fix the means of mass murder before they can begin to probe and/or understand the causes of mass murder.

And that will only happen when the weapons manufacturers are willing to allow it

Guns don't tell us what's going inside the head of a mass murderer. Having him alive in jail and under observation though may give us some insight. I'm very interested in learning what this kid says from jail.

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[chuckiechan]

Survivors Of The Florida School Shooting Organize D.C. March



These high school kids understand more about gun violence and the dangerous element within the NRA than the Harvard-educated gun supporters.

Those like Ted Cruz and Rick Scott are on the losing side of this issue. At this point, they are too scared to even discuss the subject.

IMO cowardly. When communities are being killed and shot up, they won't tolerate the NRA bs anymore.

You know that’s bull****. Those kids are being used by adults with an agenda. Maybe on campus, but without adult leadership they are not emotionally equipped to “take to the streets”.

Total political bull**** far and wide. “Antifa with clean faces”

 

[MAGAnificent]

Forget the gun issue. Put it aside. Let's just talk about the mental health issue. Well, and how it relates to mentally ill people having access to guns. What does the Social Security issue mean to you? Should people who are on public assistance because of mental health issues be allowed to buy guns?

Obviously my answer is no. I do not think the mentally ill should have guns at all.

And this kid- you say his shrink should have been able to put him in the database and make a red flag come up so he couldn't have bought the gun? If you do, I agree. Make a route of appeal, but have his name come up as soon as he's being treated for a metal illness. The way the law reads now, a judge has to make that call.

To tell you the truth, I do not know. It may work differently in different states. However the point is that the law should be enforced. If it means that the police, a shrink, etc must get it approved by a judge, then that should be done ASAP at the point someone is determined to be mentally ill.

Have I got it wrong, or does a history of domestic violence already disqualify you from gun ownership? Or does a judge have to be involved again?

I think the laws vary from state to state, however I think in most states, a history of domestic violence can keep you from buying guns.

As for the FBI, what do you say they should have done?

There is much they could have done rather then just fluffing him off. They could have observed what he was up to, much of the time, they could have warned the school or schools that he was likely to attack, or if there was enough of a plot discovered to shoot up a school, they could have arrested him. Point is that the FBI itself admitted that they dropped the ball. I take them at their word on that.

 

[MAGAnificent]

That endorsement matters to me. Thanks.

I appreciate that, however it is about more then ideology. I do want to see positive solutions to not only school shootings but mass shootings in general. And the biggest single issue in regards to to mass shootings is mental illness.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You know that’s bull****. Those kids are being used by adults with an agenda. Maybe on campus, but without adult leadership they are not emotionally equipped to “take to the streets”.

Total political bull**** far and wide. “Antifa with clean faces”

Is George Soros casting crisis actors?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Those people don't concern me. I don't know why they concern you either.

They concern me because they are generally the loudest voices after trajedies such as the Parkland shooting. They too often drown out any real conversation towards real solutions. I am encouraged that this time the real issue (mental illness) is being discussed.

There is exactly no chance in the world that all guns will ever be banned in the US. If pro-gun folks refuse to have a conversation about any guns at all (and some do), then they are just as bad as the people you're talking about.

I as a lifetime NRA member have never run across any pro gun individual who refuses to have a conversation, thought not all pro gun folks agree on everything. For instance, my next door neighbor who is a gun owner thinks AR 15s should be banned. I disagree with him, however that is his stance. And I am quite okay with banning the bump stock devices that in effect make a semi-automatic function as a machine gun. However the again, the real issue is what motivates someone to do something as crazy as shooting up a school.

Also, to "simply support and protect the 2A" implies that we share the same interpretation of the 2A. We don't.

Be that as it may, the US Supreme Court interpretation pretty much matches my interpretation as well as the founding fathers.

In any event, as I already said, this conversation shouldn't be just about guns because it triggers all the idiots on both extremes. We need to talk about why some people feel justified or encouraged to kill lots of other people. It's a demented aspect of our culture that smart, calm, rational people should be able to address.

On that we are in agreement. It takes a real nutcase to shoot and kill a bunch of innocent people, especially school children. I will just add that the conversation should also branch out to "How do we protect the schools from these kind of attack?s".

 

[MAGAnificent]

Well, you're just repeating the president when you say that.

Well the president happens to be right on that. Mass murder is absolutely about mental illness. Only a mentally ill individual would be motivated to do something like that.

Mass violence is not always about mental health. You can't propose an effective solution for a problem you don't understand.

Mental illness is always a factor. However part of the discussion should also be about more effectively treating mental illness. And while many mentally ill individuals have environmental or biological causes for their mental illness, many also get that way from chrnic drug abuse. That especially applies to many of the individuals who hear voices in their heads. I personally knew one such individual at one place of employment he occasionally had conversations with refrigerator door handles.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Because of history, and that mass murders would be very difficult without guns, I think Americans are going to have to fix the means of mass murder before they can begin to probe and/or understand the causes of mass murder.

And that will only happen when the weapons manufacturers are willing to allow it

So . . . never.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

I appreciate that, however it is about more then ideology. I do want to see positive solutions to not only school shootings but mass shootings in general. And the biggest single issue in regards to to mass shootings is mental illness.

What is your evidence for saying that?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Grass roots or not the left is trying to weaponized children against the right. They can have all the opinions they want but I'm no longer interested in hearing them. I've heard enough to understand what they are about.

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There is no doubt whatsoever that the anti-gun left would love to politically weaponize those children. However I will withhold judgement on the students until I hear more of what they have in mind. If it's about outright gun bans, that is where I stop listening. It should be about mental illness and how to protect the schools from such mentally ill individuals motivated to mass murder.

 

[Strategery]

100% of people who kill children on purpose are not right in the head.

Not all people who kill children do it with a gun.