The justification for wealth-redistribution.[W:2037]

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

We are either a nation of duly ratified laws, or opinions.

Freedom comes from duly ratified laws. Tyranny from opinions.

wrong........democracy places all power into the hands of the people, and people can be corrupt.

we have already seen this with democracy of ....referendums

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Yes. The people. Not the aristocracy. Not the oligarchy. Not the plutarchy.

Fundamental to America.

you really need to read about mixed government /republican government.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

i will point you to things on the net....but i am not postings information for you., and wasting my time, as you will not read it.

do you want the information of where to look?

This is exactly the process that Rush Limbaugh uses to avoid debate.

It's his way or the highway.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

you really need to read about mixed government /republican government.

You really need to think for yourself.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

This is exactly the process that Rush Limbaugh uses to avoid debate.

It's his way or the highway.

rush Limbaugh?....oh brother!

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

You really need to think for yourself.

i do...becuase i have read, and understand WHY the founders shaped our structure of government the way they did , ....as a check on federal power, and to prevent majority rule, and the evils of collectivism.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

rush Limbaugh?....oh brother!

You don't believe that monologs are his style and debate his weakness?

Oh, brother!

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

i do...becuase i have read, and understand WHY the founders shaped our structure of government the way they did , ....as a check on federal power, and to prevent majority rule, and the evils of collectivism.

I, on the other hand, rely on the Constitutional Convention and its product, the US Constitution. Just like the Federal Courts and Congress and the President do.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

You don't believe that monologs are his style and debate his weakness?

Oh, brother!

what it tells me is your a partisan hack.

i have discussed the structure of the federal government.......yet you are talking politics...

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

I, on the other hand, rely on the Constitutional Convention and its product, the US Constitution. Just like the Federal Courts and Congress and the President do.

then if you rely on those, then why do you not listen to the founders who created them........they gave us today many warnings........yet people do not listen to them.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

what it tells me is your a partisan hack.

i have discussed the structure of the federal government.......yet you are talking politics...

You haven't discussed anything. You have pontificated on what you wish was true.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

You haven't discussed anything. You have pontificated on what you wish was true.

wrong....Limbaugh deals in politics.........i did not enter the political arena, ....you did.

your trying to turn the discussion into political satire

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

i will point you to things on the net....but i am not postings information for you., and wasting my time, as you will not read it.

do you want the information of where to look?

No, I see you're cherry picking.

As an aside, I think it's frightening that people such as Clarence Thomas used this faction argument in order to allow no limits on campaign contributions and I quote, "The Framers preferred a political system that harnessed such faction for good, preserving liberty while also ensuring good government. Rather than adopting the repressive 'cure' for faction that the majority today endorses, the Framers armed individual citizens with a remedy".

In otherwords, f*ck the political sytem, let money rule. The guy is pretty transparent along with his Tea Party wife.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

then if you rely on those, then why do you not listen to the founders who created them........they gave us today many warnings........yet people do not listen to them.

The Constitution is the collaborative product of all of the founders working towards the melding of their individual thoughts. I doubt if there was a single one who did not agree with some part of their joint decisions. That's how democracy works.

As you deny the democracy that they utilized, I wouldn't expect you to understand and accept the Constitution instead of their individual inputs that suit your agenda.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

No, I see you're cherry picking.

As an aside, I think it's frightening that people such as Clarence Thomas used this faction argument in order to allow no limits on campaign contributions and I quote, "The Framers preferred a political system that harnessed such faction for good, preserving liberty while also ensuring good government. Rather than adopting the repressive 'cure' for faction that the majority today endorses, the Framers armed individual citizens with a remedy".

In otherwords, f*ck the political sytem, let money rule. The guy is pretty transparent along with his Tea Party wife.

Democracy is designed to resolve factional disputes. A ruling class is designed to squash them.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

No, I see you're cherry picking.

As an aside, I think it's frightening that people such as Clarence Thomas used this faction argument in order to allow no limits on campaign contributions and I quote, "The Framers preferred a political system that harnessed such faction for good, preserving liberty while also ensuring good government. Rather than adopting the repressive 'cure' for faction that the majority today endorses, the Framers armed individual citizens with a remedy".

In otherwords, f*ck the political sytem, let money rule. The guy is pretty transparent along with his Tea Party wife.

this has noting to do with what i am talking about.

faction is a by-product of democracy

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Democracy is designed to resolve factional disputes. A ruling class is designed to squash them.

wrong, democracy is a very factious form of government......it breeds more faction

federalist 10--The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

this has noting to do with what i am talking about.

faction is a by-product of democracy

I'm talking specifically about the Tea Party/Liberty groups out there that pervert the constitution for their own means.

This does not include the followers who are clueless with being used.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

The Constitution is the collaborative product of all of the founders working towards the melding of their individual thoughts. I doubt if there was a single one who did not agree with some part of their joint decisions. That's how democracy works.

As you deny the democracy that they utilized, I wouldn't expect you to understand and accept the Constitution instead of their individual inputs that suit your agenda.

show me where the word democracy appears in any constitution in the u.s..

the founders hated democracy be it direct or representative....which they state

if they would have wanted representative democracy, they would have not created our mixed government.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

I'm talking specifically about the Tea Party/Liberty groups out there that pervert the constitution for their own means.

This does not include the followers who are clueless with being used.

while those are faction.......so is .......planned parenthood, labor unions, sierra club, NRA.......faction comes from THE RIGHT AND LEFT.

faction, cannot be controlled, ...it not possible to let in the faction you like, and keep out those you dont.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

show me where the word democracy appears in any constitution in the u.s..

the founders hated democracy be it direct or representative....which they state

if they would have wanted representative democracy, they would have not created our mixed government.

They could not agree on a democracy at that time due to slavery and sexism and poor communications, even though they used democracy to make their decisions.

As times changed and allowed it, we, the people created it as we eliminated slavery and sexism and as technology permitted the polling of a widespread and diverse population.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

this has noting to do with what i am talking about.

faction is a by-product of democracy

Then why did he invoked Federalist No. 10 in a dissent?

 

[PMZ]

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while those are faction.......so is .......planned parenthood, labor unions, sierra club, NRA.......faction comes from THE RIGHT AND LEFT.

faction, cannot be controlled, ...it not possible to let in the faction you like, and keep out those you dont.

Another name for factions is groups of different opinions. Leaders manage them towards resolution of their differences. Tyrannies eliminate those that they don't agree with.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Then why did he invoked Federalist No. 10 in a dissent?

Madison is saying america will be a republican government, becuase it has it renders factitious combinations less in republican government,-----> then democratic government, which has more.

becuase in republican government power is spread out and it makes it harder for faction to operate.........democracy concentrates power into 1......and thus faction grows and controls government.

The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

 

[Master PO]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Another name for factions is groups of different opinions. Leaders manage them towards resolution of their differences. Tyrannies eliminate those that they don't agree with.

faction are those who lobby out government for their own ends.

why should Exxon/ Mobil, or unions....be able to lobby our politicians?....and get laws created or tax laws made to suit them?