The justification for wealth-redistribution.[W:2037]

[What if...?]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Again...there is no 'it' that is representative of this finite pile of cash that has been gobbled up by all the wealthy. You have the ability, right now, today, to work your way to affluence just as others do every day. Or...you can whine about the success of others. But as you have already waved the white flag and surrendered to your self imposed ass kicking, there is an immigrant from Haiti that just got here and is making you look foolish. In 5 years he or she will own a small business...put their kids through college, and change their future. Because...you know...they can.

Progressives at their finest...

The problem with this idea is that those folks came from desperate poverty, where busting yoir ass all day is necessary to simply survive. So they bring those habits here and they work.

However, they, and everyone else has to work much harder today.than they did thirty years ago to accomplish the same level of success. Two people with degrees are required to attain the same lifestyle one could thirty-five years ago. A direct consequence of being placed in direct competition with starving people.

The "its better here" meme is still true if its only .0000000001% better.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Don't worry about remaking other people into responsible American citizens. Worry about remaking yourself into one.

JFK was talking to you... "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country". Stop whining, get off your butt, go out and hustle a living for yourself, pay taxes and stop pretending everyone owes you a living. That would be good.

Been there, done that, successfully. Now I'm retired and really happy that I don't have to put others, that I don't even know, down, in order to feel good about myself.

You will never know that success.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

People who are unable to create wealth themselves rely on real or economic slavery. What else can they do?

Everyone sympathizes with people that are so physically and/or mentally handicapped that they can't provide for themselves. It's the people without such handicaps that whine about how unfair life is that get no sympathy. They don't deserve sympathy.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Been there, done that, successfully. Now I'm retired and really happy that I don't have to put others, that I don't even know, down, in order to feel good about myself.

You will never know that success.

You put down people who call for personal responsibility all the time. You aren't as much of a success as you pretend to be.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Everyone sympathizes with people that are so physically and/or mentally handicapped that they can't provide for themselves. It's the people without such handicaps that whine about how unfair life is that get no sympathy. They don't deserve sympathy.

I don't know people asking for sympathy.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Exactly. There have been quite a few studies that this trend over the past decade+ of 'everybody get's a ribbon for participation' and 'we do not keep score so nobody loses' type treatment has brought on this sort of mentality, and has made it so when something is actually difficult those brought up that way are more likely to give up.

Teach kids that competition is bad and as soon as the going gets tough they all pull together as a team and drop out of the race.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

You put down people who call for personal responsibility all the time. You aren't as much of a success as you pretend to be.

Point out specifically one such instance.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

I don't know people asking for sympathy.

Of course not.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Teach kids that competition is bad and as soon as the going gets tough they all pull together as a team and drop out of the race.

If there's one thing that you can say about America, it's that we're not competitive enough.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Of course not.

Your friends are asking for sympathy? Why?

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Point out specifically one such instance.

OK. Here you go.

Stop whining about the failure of others. They have nothing to do with your failure.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Don't worry about remaking other people into responsible American citizens. Worry about remaking yourself into one.

JFK was talking to you... "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country". Stop whining, get off your butt, go out and hustle a living for yourself, pay taxes and stop pretending everyone owes you a living. That would be good.

You're ducking the question.

What's your formula for remaking people? As you've been completely unsuccessful at it here, I'm wondering where you have been successful at it.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Your friends are asking for sympathy? Why?

You're using a random statement generator to create your posts, aren't you?

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

You're ducking the question.

What's your formula for remaking people? As you've been completely unsuccessful at it here, I'm wondering where you have been successful at it.

People have to remake themselves. I don't try to remake people. I just propose that we eliminate the excuses for the not to remake themselves.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

OK. Here you go.

You whining about others is "personal responsibility"????

 

[Oozlefinch]

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There was disagreement among the founders. Madison and Jefferson disagreed on a lot. With that said, many of our current polices are basically displacing the poor in order to build financial institutions, renting property and such (basically expanding for rentiers) It's all done under urban gentrification.

Of course, you also have to look at Both Jefferson's in order to really understand that.

The young Jefferson was a firebrand, a firebrand reactionary, who believed in constant revolution. He submitted an alternate proposal to what would become the Constitution, then was sent to France for a decade. However, if he was present in the US at the time, I have no doubt Jefferson would have been an Anti-Federalist to Madison's Federalist.

One of the best things about that man was he became President and grew up. Seeing France tear itself apart ended any thoughts he had of eternal revolution. And even though he strongly believed in "true Democracy" when younger, even he admitted that his Louisiana Purchase exceeded his authority, was likely against the Constitution, but needed for the country to thrive and grow.

People who are unable to create wealth themselves rely on real or economic slavery. What else can they do?

I am curious, who was the last Democrat who ran by telling people "I am going to do all that I can to get people out of the housing projects, and off of welfare and Food Stamps, so they can move out of their ghetto projects and have better lives"?

This is the secret that the Class Warriors do not want you to know. That anybody (unless they are seriously mentally handicapped or have serious mental issues) can create wealth themselves.

Anybody.

All it takes is getting off of your fat ass and doing something of value to somebody else.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

You're using a random statement generator to create your posts, aren't you?

That's because you've created a strawman. You seem to think calling out an injustice=needs sympathy.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

People have to remake themselves. I don't try to remake people. I just propose that we eliminate the excuses for the not to remake themselves.

How do we "eliminate excuses"?

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Don't worry about remaking other people into responsible American citizens. Worry about remaking yourself into one.

JFK was talking to you... "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country". Stop whining, get off your butt, go out and hustle a living for yourself, pay taxes and stop pretending everyone owes you a living. That would be good.

But you see, that kind of thinking is dead in the "New Left".

I am sure that if JFK was to descend from the heavens on a cloud, and then try to take over the party again, they would stone him and flay him alive.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Of course, you also have to look at Both Jefferson's in order to really understand that.

The young Jefferson was a firebrand, a firebrand reactionary, who believed in constant revolution. He submitted an alternate proposal to what would become the Constitution, then was sent to France for a decade. However, if he was present in the US at the time, I have no doubt Jefferson would have been an Anti-Federalist to Madison's Federalist.

One of the best things about that man was he became President and grew up. Seeing France tear itself apart ended any thoughts he had of eternal revolution. And even though he strongly believed in "true Democracy" when younger, even he admitted that his Louisiana Purchase exceeded his authority, was likely against the Constitution, but needed for the country to thrive and grow.

Jefferson, unlike Madison, believed in (what was viewed as) the common people. He also distrusted the notion that the wealthy should rule over the common people.

 

[Papa bull]

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How do we "eliminate excuses"?

Well, for one thing, stop giving people the option of eating without working for their food. When work or go hungry are the only options, the excuses not to work start evaporating like raindrops on a blacktop parking lot in the middle of July.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Of course, you also have to look at Both Jefferson's in order to really understand that.

The young Jefferson was a firebrand, a firebrand reactionary, who believed in constant revolution. He submitted an alternate proposal to what would become the Constitution, then was sent to France for a decade. However, if he was present in the US at the time, I have no doubt Jefferson would have been an Anti-Federalist to Madison's Federalist.

One of the best things about that man was he became President and grew up. Seeing France tear itself apart ended any thoughts he had of eternal revolution. And even though he strongly believed in "true Democracy" when younger, even he admitted that his Louisiana Purchase exceeded his authority, was likely against the Constitution, but needed for the country to thrive and grow.



I am curious, who was the last Democrat who ran by telling people "I am going to do all that I can to get people out of the housing projects, and off of welfare and Food Stamps, so they can move out of their ghetto projects and have better lives"?

This is the secret that the Class Warriors do not want you to know. That anybody (unless they are seriously mentally handicapped or have serious mental issues) can create wealth themselves.

Anybody.

All it takes is getting off of your fat ass and doing something of value to somebody else.

There is only one place where all of the founders came together and resolved all of their differences.

The Constitution. That's why it stands alone as the foundation of American law.

"I am curious, who was the last Democrat who ran by telling people "I am going to do all that I can to get people out of the housing projects, and off of welfare and Food Stamps, so they can move out of their ghetto projects and have better lives"?"

I would say all of them. Who do you think campaigned on "I am going to do all that I can to keep you in the housing projects, and on welfare and Food Stamps, so they can stay in their ghetto projects and have worse lives"?

Get real.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

You whining about others is "personal responsibility"????

Personal responsibility is paying your own bills. He was calling for personal responsibility. You were bashing him for it.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Jefferson, unlike Madison, believed in (what was viewed as) the common people. He also distrusted the notion that the wealthy should rule over the common people.

*sneezes*

Sorry, my BS detector was going off there.

You are buying into the fantasy Jefferson, the one he used for campaigning.

One of the wealthiest people in Virginia, plantation and slave owner, one of the most aristocratic of all "Founding Fathers", and you talk about him being "for the people"?

Wow, you really don't know anything about the man at all, do you?

There is only one place where all of the founders came together and resolved all of their differences.

The Constitution. That's why it stands alone as the foundation of American law.

"I am curious, who was the last Democrat who ran by telling people "I am going to do all that I can to get people out of the housing projects, and off of welfare and Food Stamps, so they can move out of their ghetto projects and have better lives"?"

I would say all of them. Who do you think campaigned on "I am going to do all that I can to keep you in the housing projects, and on welfare and Food Stamps, so they can stay in their ghetto projects and have worse lives"?

Get real.

The 1996 welfare reform law required that a portion of the able-bodied adults in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program — the successor to the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program — work or prepare for work. Those work requirements were the heart of the reform’s success: Welfare rolls dropped by half, and the poverty rate for black children reached its lowest level in history in the years following.

But the Obama administration has jettisoned the law’s work requirements, asserting that, in the future, no state will be required to follow them. In place of the legislated work requirements, the administration has stated, it will unilaterally design its own “work” systems without congressional involvement or consent. Any state will be free to follow the new Obama requirements “in lieu of” the written statute.

How Obama has gutted welfare reform - The Washington Post

I can go on, but there really is no need. And I am going to stop talking now before I say something really nasty that could get me kicked off this thread.

 

[PMZ]

Re: The justification for wealth-redistribution.

Well, for one thing, stop giving people the option of eating without working for their food. When work or go hungry are the only options, the excuses not to work start evaporating like raindrops on a blacktop parking lot in the middle of July.

So, in your opinion, taking an irresponsible or criminal person and starving him, will make him responsible.