The Iran War and the Future of the Democrats

[phoenix2020]

All of those things are already parts of the Democratic platform except for feeding weapons to Israel, and "hey lets stop supplying weapons for genocide" is not an exciting new thought you just had.

And guess what? We ****in lost. Americans are fine with lawlessness, fascism, and genocide. The problem isn't the platform, the problem is that we are a profoundly cruel and ignorant society.

The problem which the OP doesn’t realize is that he is trying to come up with a set of policy proposals to pit against an organized religion.

 

[JoeB131]

The socialists in the Democratic party have no power, there's maybe three of them in the entire party (Bernie is an independent), so they're clearly not destroying the brand.

You want to go further right than the already-right-wing Democrats who actually ARE controlling the party? OKAY.

I think you miss the point. It doesn't matter about the number of these loons in the Democratic Party, it is their outsized voice. Yes, there are only a handful of Congressmembers in the Squad, but they get all the attention.

Also: Bernie would have beaten Trump.

No, he wouldn't have. Bernie is out there. You think the small businessman who swings between D and R was going to vote for Bernie collectivizing his business?

The problem I see with the Dems is the same problem they had in the 80s, where they keep doubling down on the crazies and wondering why the Middle Class didn't get behind them.

Yet also the biggest factor in American politics for some reason.

Only because Biden's position - put a tranny in every locker room - scared the hell out of Americans.

How so? The parents of teens want their children to receive healthcare. Republicans oppose that.

Most of them have health care through their jobs.

Do you realize that Undocumented Immigrants are holding up the economy and contribute infinitely more to programs than they take? The Social Security Trust Fund would have collapsed without them. America SHOULD address the undocumented issue, just not in the way that right-wingers want. They are an enormous contribution to society and the economy, and thus civilization.

Too long to go into what I think we need to do to fix immigration, but the fact is, Biden let millions of people into the country without vetting them. They competed with people already here for housing and jobs.

You mean Trump offered sacrificial scapegoats to appease people suffering from economic issues without actually addressing the underlying problems? And Democrats, who don't believe in anything, and offered nothing, could not formulate a coherent message to respond? I agree. Dems don't believe in anything, thus they cannot argue the merits of what they pretend to support.

You skipped over the point. You all skip over the fact. Asians and Hispanics don't like illegal immigration because their communities are hardest hit by it.

The problem wasn't the Democrats didn't have a policy, it's that they had a case of "White Savior Syndrome" where they knew what was better for these communities than the people who lived in them.

In 2016, Trump was tolerant of trans. In 2024, Republicans poured hundreds of millions into the anti-trans messaging. If the issue as saliant on its own, there'd be no need. Right? The fact is that if you've reached the point where cultural / gender issues are deciding the fate of a political party, that party (Democrats) has failed in every other way. Not that trans people or immigrants or black people or gay people or Arabs need to be thrown under the bus in order to get right-wing votes that are NEVER coming.

Uh, I'm going to lay a bit of reality here on you.

America, collectively, is socially conservative and economically liberal. That benefits Democrats when Republicans inevitably screw up the economy with their bad ideas. But it benefits Republicans when times are good and we can focus on issues like race, sexuality, social order, and immigration.

You cannot get to fascism without marginalizing groups, which makes marginalizing those groups political suicide for any party that wants to actually fight fascism.

You go fight the mean old fascists...

Meanwhile, the Republicans will address people's fairly legitimate concerns.

 

[Hamish Howl]

America, collectively, is socially conservative and economically liberal. That benefits Democrats when Republicans inevitably screw up the economy with their bad ideas. But it benefits Republicans when times are good and we can focus on issues like race, sexuality, social order, and immigration.

Why should we focus on those things at any time?

 

[JoeB131]

Why should we focus on those things at any time?

Me, personally, I think everyone needs to mind their own business.

But you get where people see their values constantly under assault by the left, being called racist, homophobic, misogynistic, ablist, transphobic for not going along with the Woke Agenda, and they turn on that when they can at the ballot box.

The real problem you guys on the left have is that those immigrants you were counting on to support your woke nonsense are less down with it than white folks are.

Which is why Trump's biggest gains were with Asians and Hispanics, as well as people making less than $50,000 a year.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I think you miss the point. It doesn't matter about the number of these loons in the Democratic Party, it is their outsized voice. Yes, there are only a handful of Congressmembers in the Squad, but they get all the attention.

I mean they exist, and Dems would be better off being a party of neoliberal Israeli simps. That was actual Kamala Harris' message and campaign strategy, by the way. How'd that go?

No, he wouldn't have. Bernie is out there. You think the small businessman who swings between D and R was going to vote for Bernie collectivizing his business?

Bernie beat Hillary Clinton in deep red West Virginia.

The problem I see with the Dems is the same problem they had in the 80s, where they keep doubling down on the crazies and wondering why the Middle Class didn't get behind them.

I know why, because their policies have abandoned the Middle Class. They are neoliberals. Neoliberalism is an offshoot from Reaganomics. It's CONSERVATIVE policy. Got it?

Only because Biden's position - put a tranny in every locker room - scared the hell out of Americans.

What should be done with the trans people? Put them in ovens?

Most of them have health care through their jobs.

Republicans want to abolish gender-affirming care, which is healthcare.

Too long to go into what I think we need to do to fix immigration, but the fact is, Biden let millions of people into the country without vetting them.

You mean like the LEGAL Haitian immigrants?

They competed with people already here for housing and jobs.

Immigrants Do Not Displace US Workers or Reduce Wages - American Immigration Council

Recent increases in immigration to the United States correlate with more jobs and higher wages for U.S.-born workers.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

You skipped over the point. You all skip over the fact. Asians and Hispanics don't like illegal immigration because their communities are hardest hit by it.

Show me the evidence that illegal immigrants hurt their communities.

The problem wasn't the Democrats didn't have a policy, it's that they had a case of "White Savior Syndrome" where they knew what was better for these communities than the people who lived in them.

Show me the issues which plague these communities that are directly caused by immigrants.

America, collectively, is socially conservative and economically liberal.

That's the reverse of reality. Americans are socially liberal and they THINK they're fiscally conservative, but they overwhelmingly support the progressive economic agenda. If you want to get the numbers, LETS DO IT. I'm out of bubblegum.

You go fight the mean old fascists...

Meanwhile, the Republicans will address people's fairly legitimate concerns.

How are they addressing those concerns? Show me the policies.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Me, personally, I think everyone needs to mind their own business.

No you don't.

 

[JoeB131]

I mean they exist, and Dems would be better off being a party of neoliberal Israeli simps. That was actual Kamala Harris' message and campaign strategy, by the way. How'd that go?

Far better than they would have running Commie Bernie or someone like him. Harris didn't lose because she was too moderate; she lost because she was too liberal and no one really trusted the Democrats after the whole Biden fiasco.

Bernie beat Hillary Clinton in deep red West Virginia.

For the whole five people there who drew Democratic ballots?

The biggest tragedy of Bernie Sanders is that he interpreted personal dislike of Hillary Clinton as support for his wacky ideas.

I know why, because their policies have abandoned the Middle Class. They are neoliberals. Neoliberalism is an offshoot from Reaganomics. It's CONSERVATIVE policy. Got it?

I agree, the Democrats did abandon the middle class for the Welfare Class. And the middle class, struggling under to high of taxes, rebelled. Nothing like paying a third of your income to a government that screams you are a privileged white male.

What should be done with the trans people? Put them in ovens?

No, just keep them out of girls' locker rooms.

Republicans want to abolish gender-affirming care, which is healthcare.

Maybe. Or maybe it's quack medicine. In either case, it's not the government's job to pay for it.

You mean like the LEGAL Haitian immigrants?

Not any more, once Trump revokes their status. Again, Biden had four years to fix immigration and didn't. Obama had eight years and didn't.

Show me the evidence that illegal immigrants hurt their communities.

How about talking to people in those communities?

Show me the issues which plague these communities that are directly caused by immigrants.

See above.

That's the reverse of reality. Americans are socially liberal and they THINK they're fiscally conservative, but they overwhelmingly support the progressive economic agenda. If you want to get the numbers, LETS DO IT. I'm out of bubblegum.

Nope. If that were the case, you wouldn't have needed judicial activism to get abortion, or gay marriage or any of the other stuff that would fail at the ballot box.

How are they addressing those concerns? Show me the policies.

No fan of Trump, but he's doing what he said he was going to do. It's horrific, but it's what the people voted for.