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"the greatest threat to Western civilization today is not Russia" - DJT stated yesterday

Still with the hoops, huh?
Still ain't jumping through.
Still cannot defend your position on liberalism, what is wrong with neighbor helping neighbor instead of that being a federal bureaucrat? Now back on topic, why is this a breaking news since it is a state issue?
 
Still cannot defend your position on liberalism, what is wrong with neighbor helping neighbor instead of that being a federal bureaucrat? Now back on topic, why is this a breaking news since it is a state issue?
What the bloody hell are you on about? That's the third or fourth time you've used those words in this exchange. Why do you keep saying that to me?
 
What the bloody hell are you on about? That's the third or fourth time you've used those words in this exchange. Why do you keep saying that to me?
You claim your country isn't liberal enough and gave us a couple bullshit issues neither of which has anything to do with your perceived definition of liberalism or your suggestions to make your country more liberal. How do you do it with fuel or without cash or by promoting programs that make people dependent. Liberalism has always been about a handup not an handout and that is where the blurry lines are with you and others
 
The sentence bolded below I agree with. However, the greatest threat is the Trump Party but that's not what DJT was aiming for. His aim is directed at the actual patriotic citizens and government office holders who are pure USofA that's bolded in red below along with his sights still set on being a wannabe dictator - a dictator like a Putin dictator. Both Russia and China are positioning themselves between the 2nd and 3rd spots as next in line with being threats to our Western civilization. This is the 2024 Trump political platform that's currently backed by the T-GOP.



'But the greatest threat to Western civilization today is not Russia, it's probably more than anything else ourselves and some of the horrible, USA-hating people that represent us,' Trump said.

Trump, who announced his ambitions to be president again in November, laid out in a three and a half minute video that he believed the Russia-Ukraine conflict needed to be ended 'immediately' in order to stop 'World War III.'


He didn't specify what peace would look like, though pushed that the 'entire globalist neocon establishment' needed to be dismantled, the State Department, 'defense bureaucracy' and intelligence services needed to be cleared out and NATO's role needed to be reexplored.



Donald Trump has also said he's innocent.

Next.
 
You claim your country isn't liberal enough and gave us a couple bullshit issues neither of which has anything to do with your perceived definition of liberalism or your suggestions to make your country more liberal. How do you do it with fuel or without cash or by promoting programs that make people dependent. Liberalism has always been about a handup not an handout and that is where the blurry lines are with you and others
I did not. I said my country was leaning too far left for me.
You're talking to Lib again, and ignoring what I say.
 
I did not. I said my country was leaning too far left for me.
You're talking to Lib again, and ignoring what I say.
Then my apology, I think your country is too far left but I don't live there thus not my problem
 
So dictionary definition is reality? Don't think so, Liberalism was neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat

Ok, what happened to that country?

My individual finances and yours are affected by federal tax policies and inflationary actions.


No.


The term dates back to the Magna Charta. Those pressuring the King were referred to as liberals, and later hanged for it.

"Liberal" has at least four meanings, as in portion share, easy going in nature, political leaning and social liberal which is an all encompassing belief system that Americans of the right have reduced to over simplicity as a word to be hurled at anything not Nazi.


That neighbor to neighbor thing? You must have invented it.

I would also cite history and various political movements, like woman's sufferage (considered liberal) but there are people in the world, usually rightists, who are incapable of admitting they are wrong.
 
I'd agree with China possibly presenting a long term threat to Western civilization but as far as current day US goes, our nearest and closest threat is internal. The Trump Party of some, or many, who have become a collective enemy of our state, in which they will attempt again to take full control of our nation after the next presidential election to further destroy our democracy and build their own Constitution. imo If in the event that the US eventually falls to anarchists, the threat to Western civilization will become actuallity.

Both Russia and China are external threats to Western civilization but there used to be a time, not long ago, when I'd say that the entire US would resist such threats. Russia has shined a light on just where many Trumplicans stand and it's not with those who stand up to Russian aggression.
While it's easy to just focus on nations since they represent the identifiable danger, what they represent is the push of an alternative form of governance and society that threatens the existing ruling form. Whether it was the USSR in the past decades to the combined Sino-Russo efforts at changing the current paradigm, the real question is how we're going to manage the idea of multipolar world. The real question for nations of the world in terms of how they align themselves is whether they want the easy route of authoritarianism, or the much harder work that's involved with maintain democratic governance.

The opportunity the US has given to the authoritarians of the world came in the form of a president who chose not to maintain the peaceful transition of power that's long been the symbolic act that political power can change hands and the nation remains stable. The chaos of 1/6 serves as a perfect talking point to authoritarians on how messy democracy can be, and that its stability is now questionable in the one superpower where this was assumed a norm.
 
No.


The term dates back to the Magna Charta. Those pressuring the King were referred to as liberals, and later hanged for it.

"Liberal" has at least four meanings, as in portion share, easy going in nature, political leaning and social liberal which is an all encompassing belief system that Americans of the right have reduced to over simplicity as a word to be hurled at anything not Nazi.


That neighbor to neighbor thing? You must have invented it.

I would also cite history and various political movements, like woman's sufferage (considered liberal) but there are people in the world, usually rightists, who are incapable of admitting they are wrong.
Here is your problem we don't have a King, it isn't the federal government's role to provide for the welfare in your state or community that is your local responsibility and what your taxes fund. Promoting domestic welfare doesn't mean providing it
 
He may be right that Russia is not the greatest threat to western civilization, i.e. US civilization.
The greatest threat is Trump, his MAGA crowd, and the far right.
It's more important focusing not on the political figures, but what they represent. Trump is just one of the many who channel the underlying frustrations in a variety of industrialized nations, because the energy he's channeling isn't unique to the US. Essentially it's the energy of those disenfranchised from the changes to industries over time, and who also witness what they understood their country to be, now moving towards something else.

Being a spectator to change without a seat at the table is an easy way for people to feel alienated and cling to the ideals of the past. One doesn't have to delve deep to understand why slogans like "make America great again" resonate with the group to which I refer. If it's not Trump it will be someone else, because the undercurrent is there and waiting to either be channeled by an opportunist or manifest in some other way. We've seen leaders like these gain traction in Europe and other industrialized nations, so it's not unique to our country.
 
Liberalism made your country great. In fact, liberalism made your country, period.
Every right and freedom you enjoy was won for you by liberals, every one. And they had to fight against conservative resistance every time.
All the best things about your society are the result of liberalism.
You're welcome

I told you. He's probably accurate but like I said, people who quote raw numbers in a discussion of statistics are trying to slide something past you.
Yep, because at the most basic level of both ideologies, liberals will always be the ones more interested in change. Conservatism implies an adherence to preserve the status quo, and that's proven out in just about every form of US political and societal change. Whether it's changes to labor practices or civil rights, those who opposed those changes were the ones who wanted to preserve the status quo and the benefits that came with it.
 
Yep, because at the most basic level of both ideologies, liberals will always be the ones more interested in change. Conservatism implies an adherence to preserve the status quo, and that's proven out in just about every form of US political and societal change. Whether it's changes to labor practices or civil rights, those who opposed those changes were the ones who wanted to preserve the status quo and the benefits that came with it.
This is how I nutshell it...

Liberal- "We can make this better!"
Conservative- "I liked it the way it was before!"
 
So Trump is half right--the biggest threat to the US isn't Russia, it's China. That doesn't mean that the US should just stand back and let Russia stomp all over Ukraine, just like the League of nations standing back and letting Italy stomp all over Ethiopia was a bad idea. As long as Ukraine is willing to fight, we should be willing to fund and supply them, as much as we can, as fast as we can. Then, once Putin has been pushed out of Ukraine, we can let Xi know that if he tries anything similar with Taiwan we won't be drawing the line at funding and supplies. And he'd probably take us seriously.
 
Taxpayers pay for NATO and yes I am a taxpayer, what Trump did however was get foreign governments to meet their obligations in NATO funding.

That's another Trump lie meant to discredit NATO.

NATO member defense contributions of 2% were never obligations, but a NATO guideline decided at the NATO Wales Summit of 2014.

 
That's another Trump lie.

NATO member defense contributions of 2% were never obligations, but a NATO guideline decided at the NATO Wales Summit of 2014.

Did funding for NATO increase during the Trump term, over and above normal inflation? Yes or No? Suggest you explain to the Secretary General that his statement was false. Suggest you get over your hatred of Trump focusing on policies and results not personality and bombastic rhetoric

 
Did funding for NATO increase during the Trump term, over and above normal inflation? Yes or No?


NATO funding had to increase during Trump's term because the 2% guideline agreed upon at the 2014 NATO Wales Summit was given a decade (2024) to maturate.

I trust you can do simple napkin math? The guideline contributions would have increased between 2014 and 2024 regardless of who the US president was.

With Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, virtually every NATO member has now met or exceeded the 2% NATO funding guideline.

In the future, try to actually know a subject before commenting on it and publically displaying your dearth of knowledge.
 
NATO funding had to increase during Trump's term because the 2% guideline agreed upon at the 2014 NATO Wales Summit was given a decade (2024) to maturate.

I trust you can do simple napkin math? The guideline contributions would have increased between 2014 and 2024 regardless of who the US president was.

With Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, virtually every NATO member has now met or exceeded the 2% NATO funding guideline.

In the future, try to actually know a subject before commenting on it and publically displaying your dearth of knowledge.
And yet it didn't happen before Trump made the demands. You have a problem with Trump and what he accomplished with NATO, take it up with the Secretary General.

I will remind you Ukraine wasn't invaded under Trump!!! In the future take off those partisan glasses and focus on reality and results
 
Frustrating isn't it that Trump forced your country to pay more to NATO thus less to those socialist programs the left needs to survive

He didn't force anyone to do anything my xenophobic opponent. he was roundly mocked and laughed at because like you, he didn't even understand how NATO is funded!
 
And yet it didn't happen before Trump made the demands. You have a problem with Trump and what he accomplished with NATO, take it up with the Secretary General.

I will remind you Ukraine wasn't invaded under Trump!!! In the future take off those partisan glasses and focus on reality and results

Utah Beach wasn't invaded under Trump either. He hadn't the chance to sell them out.
 
Utah Beach wasn't invaded under Trump either. He hadn't the chance to sell them out.
Another foreigner that isn't paying for the Biden disaster. You have no standing in this country, solve your own problems, Trump didn't sell any in this country out other than the dependence creating radicals that apparently you support. You have a problem with what the Secretary General of NATO said, take it up with him
 
He didn't force anyone to do anything my xenophobic opponent. he was roundly mocked and laughed at because like you, he didn't even understand how NATO is funded!
Yeah, it really bothered me and the 74 million Americans who voted for him that mealy mouth corrupt liberal foreign leaders mocked Trump while Americans benefited in this country due to his policies. I Understand completely how NATO is funded, you have a problem with what the Secretary General stated, take it up with him
 
Wall Street, the military industrial complex, and their attendant neocons and neolibs.
 
While it's easy to just focus on nations since they represent the identifiable danger, what they represent is the push of an alternative form of governance and society that threatens the existing ruling form. Whether it was the USSR in the past decades to the combined Sino-Russo efforts at changing the current paradigm, the real question is how we're going to manage the idea of multipolar world. The real question for nations of the world in terms of how they align themselves is whether they want the easy route of authoritarianism, or the much harder work that's involved with maintain democratic governance.
it's a little late to start espousing mutipolarism, when the west had that chance and threw it away on marginalizing/sanctioning Russia... The SinoRussian orbit has been in play for awhile now. you may have noticed it, but the Russiaphobes were willfully blind
Even mentioning multipolar mangement got one called Putin lover etc. "degrade the Russians" the mantra
The opportunity the US has given to the authoritarians of the world came in the form of a president who chose not to maintain the peaceful transition of power that's long been the symbolic act that political power can change hands and the nation remains stable. The chaos of 1/6 serves as a perfect talking point to authoritarians on how messy democracy can be, and that its stability is now questionable in the one superpower where this was assumed a norm.
It's not that simple any more. .The EU is waking up to the fact dealing with China cant be done solely on a trade level.
Meanwhile China is excoriating the liberal democracies with "systemic racism" and the same crap Biden trots out
 
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