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The government finally connects the line from Trump’s campaign to Russian intelligence

Mycroft said:
Gates and Stone are not involved in this.

Dude...don't bother me with your debunked conspiracy theories. They are old news...dead and gone.
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Gates and Stone were directly involved.

Stone ran the whole thing. He was the cutout between the Trump campaign and Julian Assange. Kilimnkik was Assange’s handler.

Stone was intimately involved in every aspect of the Trump campaign and his marathon efforts to keep from being held to account.

Which is why he got a pardon.
 
switt said:
The news is that these are not conspiracy theories, but are facts. Hate to be the spoiler, but Trump and Fox aren't completely honest.
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Of course they are. Nothing is true until Trump says it is.
 
Mycroft said:
Only one of those three middlemen worked for the Trump campaign.
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Rick Gates also worked for the campaign as Manafort's right hand man. He's the one who turned the data over to the Russians. Trump knew all about it. He's the one that covered it up.

You can deny, deny all you want. The truth finally comes out. Trump had Russian help winning the 2016 election, period.

The question now is how much of this is actually illegal?
 
TomFitz said:
Gates and Stone were directly involved.

Stone ran the whole thing. He was the cutout between the Trump campaign and Julian Assange. Kilimnkik was Assange’s handler.

Stone was intimately involved in every aspect of the Trump campaign and his marathon efforts to keep from being held to account.

Which is why he got a pardon.
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You are dismissed.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Rick Gates also worked for the campaign as Manafort's right hand man. He's the one who turned the data over to the Russians. Trump knew all about it. He's the one that covered it up.

You can deny, deny all you want. The truth finally comes out. Trump had Russian help winning the 2016 election, period.

The question now is how much of this is actually illegal?
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Actually, one of the reasons they got always with it is that much of it was never outlawed. Prior to Trump and Stone, the idea that the intelligence agencies of a major rival power could or would be enlisted by an American political campaign to help him win an election.

The reasons are very obvious. Trump’s embarrassing lickspittle fawning over Putin was one of the things that undermined his credibility on the world state.

It was obvious to every diplomat and intelligence officer in the world that Trump was on the hook to Putin. Putin even alluded to it when he trolled Trump at Helsinki.

It was obvious to everyone else too. Although the Trumpsters had to shout extra loud that it wasn’t.
 
Mycroft said:


You are dismissed.
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Thanks! I’ll take that as and admission on your part.

Since you have retreated to substituting cartoons for an argument and the “you are dismissed” line you use when you know you have no argument and no facts, you can run along and spread your lies and fake claims on another thread.

BTW, how are your covid predictions coming along?
 
TomFitz said:
Gates and Stone were directly involved.

Stone ran the whole thing. He was the cutout between the Trump campaign and Julian Assange. Kilimnkik was Assange’s handler.

Stone was intimately involved in every aspect of the Trump campaign and his marathon efforts to keep from being held to account.

Which is why he got a pardon.
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Stone didn't know Assange-- thats why he had to bring in Credico.
Which occurred after the DNC emails were released.
The facts do not support the conspiracy theories. They rarely ever do.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Rick Gates also worked for the campaign as Manafort's right hand man. He's the one who turned the data over to the Russians. Trump knew all about it. He's the one that covered it up.

You can deny, deny all you want. The truth finally comes out. Trump had Russian help winning the 2016 election, period.

The question now is how much of this is actually illegal?
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They keep pretending this stuff hasn’t been confirmed by virtually every intelligence report available to us.

Trump and his team are traitors. Full stop. Guy was impeached twice over his hatred of our country and belief our laws don’t apply to him.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Stone didn't know Assange-- thats why he had to bring in Credico.
Which occurred after the DNC emails were released.
The facts do not support the conspiracy theories. They rarely ever do.
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So you say (falsely)

www.businessinsider.com

FBI documents reveal that Roger Stone was in direct communication with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange

Stone reassured Assange in a Twitter message that if prosecutors came after him, "I will bring down the entire house of cards."
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

No, the Credico story is a smoke screen.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The fanfic was the exciting story of Mr. Trump secretly working with Russia.
No basis in reality.
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You mean the very well documented one, supported by dozens of witnesses including many of the participants, and documented down to the names of the Russians intelligence officers who ran the operation with Stone.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
They keep pretending this stuff hasn’t been confirmed by virtually every intelligence report available to us.

Trump and his team are traitors. Full stop. Guy was impeached twice over his hatred of our country and belief our laws don’t apply to him.
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The intelligence agencies say that Russia sought to screw with the 2016 election.
Nobody really denies that.
The allegation that really matters is the one that says that Mr. Trump participated in that Russian effort. That's the 'fanfic."
 
Athanasius68 said:
The fanfic was the exciting story of Mr. Trump secretly working with Russia.
No basis in reality.
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...other than Mueller Vo1, Senate intel report, and his own son’s email communications I guess you’d be right. But probably not.
 
TomFitz said:
So you say (falsely)

www.businessinsider.com

FBI documents reveal that Roger Stone was in direct communication with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange

Stone reassured Assange in a Twitter message that if prosecutors came after him, "I will bring down the entire house of cards."
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

No, the Credico story is a smoke screen.
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Your own article confirms this--the campaign was curious about what Wikileaks might release next. It sent Stone to find out.
It should be obvious that if the campaign had been conspiring, they would have known what Wikileaks had and what they were going to release.
It should also be obvious that if the campaign had been conspiring with Russia directly, they would not have needed to to go to Wikileaks in the first place to find out was going to be released.
It should be obvious that if the campaign was conspiring, they would have already known what was going to be released.
 
TomFitz said:
You mean the very well documented one, supported by dozens of witnesses including many of the participants, and documented down to the names of the Russians intelligence officers who ran the operation with Stone.
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Mr. Mueller indicted Russians for their role in the hack.
Mr. Stone was not included in those allegations.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
...other than Mueller Vo1, Senate intel report, and his own son’s email communications I guess you’d be right. But probably not.
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It would be interesting to know what was actually said in that infamous meeting. I doubt that what we’ve been told does much more than touch the surface.

The very idea that a major US Presidential campaign would entertain a meeting with officers of a rival intelligence agency in the middle of a Presidential campaign talks to the recklessness, arrogance, incompetence of the Trump campaign, and set the stage for the carven groveling to Moscow that marked the Trump Administration.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Your own article confirms this--the campaign was curious about what Wikileaks might release next. It sent Stone to find out.
It should be obvious that if the campaign had been conspiring, they would have known what Wikileaks had and what they were going to release.
It should also be obvious that if the campaign had been conspiring with Russia directly, they would not have needed to to go to Wikileaks in the first place to find out was going to be released.
It should be obvious that if the campaign was conspiring, they would have already known what was going to be released.
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The Russians told the Trump campaign about it. That’s the message the George Papadopolous carried to the Trump Tower. Almost immediately after that, Trump identified Papadopolous as a “senior foreign policy“ advisor in an interview with the Washington Post (along with the other bag man, Carter Page).

Stone didn’t reach out to Assange to find out what he knew. Trump and Stone already knew what the Russians had. He reached out to work on the timing of it’s release. You will recall that the first Assange dump was timed to the opening of the Democratic National Convention.

I noticed that you’re getting ready to try to move the goalposts by slipping in the “direct” assertion, so you can deny it.

But the operations was obvious.

Stone was the cutout for Trump. Assange was the useful idiot and Russian asset. Kilimnik was the cut out on the Russian side.

Nobody is stupid enough to work a rotten scheme like this “directly”. Trump might be that stupid, but Roger Stone and Kilimnek certainly aren’t.
 
TomFitz said:
It would be interesting to know what was actually said in that infamous meeting. I doubt that what we’ve been told does much more than touch the surface.

The very idea that a major US Presidential campaign would entertain a meeting with officers of a rival intelligence agency in the middle of a Presidential campaign talks to the recklessness, arrogance, incompetence of the Trump campaign, and set the stage for the carven groveling to Moscow that marked the Trump Administration.
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We also have to pretend Trump hasn’t declared he’d use info from foreign sources. We have to pretend he never stood on the WH lawn and demanded a communist government investigate a VP. We have to pretend he didn’t spend basically his 4 years trying to rig 2020.

And then we saw what he’d do to overturn the electron, but of course we must dismiss all of this evidence in favor of “nuh uh”.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The intelligence agencies say that Russia sought to screw with the 2016 election.
Nobody really denies that.
The allegation that really matters is the one that says that Mr. Trump participated in that Russian effort. That's the 'fanfic."
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I guess that’s why Trump invited Russian intelligence assets to a meeting in the Trump Tower in the middle of the campaign!
 
switt said:
Trumpism lives. You know that this info was kept secret under Trump. I'm happy to see us standing up for ourselves again.
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??????? This was reported ages ago. AND we still dont know that this polling data was anything more than data suggesting Trump was going to win and there is nothing illegal or even unethical about doing so. .
 
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