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The GOP will die soon

yeah the GOP ought to just pander to the desire for handouts

Ah yes, the "they're all lazy" line. Any other tired sterotypes you want to trot out?

Funny thing is, Hispanics, by and large, are some if the hardest working people I've ever seen. But as long as the GOP keeps treating them like taco Arabs, they can forget that voting bloc.
 
food for thought if democrats and the liberal media stop lying for a change then well they might become a bit more educated.

There's another one! They're just duped by the libs. So apparently the Hispanics are just too stupid to see through the Democrat Party's lies.
 
Go back at look at previous generations every single one has aged out of liberalism as a whole. Its pretty obvious why it happens you would have to be brainless not to see it.

Not "as a whole." Some do. Many don't.
 
The amount of attention Fox news gets from liberals is something I find pretty interesting. Why is it that conservatives that are the apparent target audience almost never mentions Fox news, but liberals are constantly mentioning them?
If I got my news and opinion from Fox 'News' - I'd be on the Q.T., too!

:2razz:
 
I think the issue with the "Hispanics are 'conservative'" adage is.....well, hold on, there's a few issues.

First issue - a lot of this seems to be based off the notion that many Hispanics are Catholics. Which I believe numbers do back up in terms of it being the largest single religious denomination through that population. However, the issue is this natural assumption that ones personal social views correspond with one's political social views. Those within the traditional American culture hear about religion and politics and naturally tie them together in a fashion similar to what we see in the "evangelical" crowd. The notion of someone being "socially conservative" on a personal level for religious reasons, and yet not being strongly "socially conservative" on a political level is a bit of a confusing prospect.

But the reality is that for many of the Hispanics being talked about, you're speaking about a different culture than that found within the traditionally American religious culture. There's no reason to simply ASSUME that because most historically American groups heavily vested in religion tend to tie that in with their voting habits, that a different culture is going to feel the same way. Essentially, just because their religion is important to them does not inherently mean that their religion is going to guide what is most important to them in terms of VOTING.

And, even if they are largely social conservative, that may not override matters if they're fiscally or governmentally liberal.

Second issue - There is a realistic major issue that makes perfect sense for many Hispanic voters to view as a "single issue" type thing; immigration policy. And this can go both ways. On one hand, you can have some individuals who immigrated the right way and have distaste for those who are doing it wrong. HOWEVER, because ethnic communities tend to stick closely together during the first generation or two into a new country, the reality is that many likely know family, friends, or family of friends who have either had bad luck with our immigration laws or have circumvented them. As such, there's likely a large portion of the population, even those who did it the right way, that have a very keen interest and empathetic stance towards immigration laws.

Third issue - this stupid assumption that somehow a race steers an individuals voting habits. Age, social status, economic situation, geographical location, and more can all impact how someone's likely to vote. This stupid assumption of whole bloc voting is, to me, a bit ridiculous. The reality is that there may be other factors relating to the Hispanic population in this country that is actually the larger contextual reason for why they tend to vote more heavily democratic then simply their race or their culture.

To me, RACIAL demographics in and of themselves are a useful, but hardly singularly telling, population data point that the Republicans should be looking at. I'd say the socio-economic scale would be as important, if not more so, for them to look at.

For instance, if Republicans tend to do very poorly when it comes to those in "poor" classes, it's a coin flip often within the "middle class", and they tend to win with the "upper" classes.

So one can ASSUME that everyone votes based on what their skin pigment is, but what if that's not the case? What if in reality, it's more about class. By a quick look at the numbers, it seems there's significantly more Hispanics in the poorer or lower middle classes. What if over the next 10 years that shift though; that we have an influx of Hispanics, but more of them begin to enter into the high portions of the middle class and into the upper classes? The "race" numbers would suggest Republicans would have a hard time with them, but economic numbers would suggest that'd be a boon for the Republicans.

The reality is there are a number of factors that people vote based on, and such heavy focus on some of them that people on both sides do I think misses the bigger picture.
 
unfortunately you get rid of the GOP then you also get rid of all the actual TAXPAYERS. then the socialist dream dies. so you better hope us suckers hang around a bit longer to foot the bill.
 
There's another one! They're just duped by the libs. So apparently the Hispanics are just too stupid to see through the Democrat Party's lies.

wizards first rule. look it up.

if you repeat a lie often enough even though it is still a lie people will begin to think it is the truth.
 
wizards first rule. look it up.

if you repeat a lie often enough even though it is still a lie people will begin to think it is the truth.

[geek hat]

That's not the first rule. The First Rule is that People are Stupid. People will believe things mainly because they want, or fear, it to be true.

[/geek hat]
 
yet most hispanics aren't liberal they are very much conservative.
yet given that this drivel is written by the daily kos the nonsense is noted.

the GOP isn't going anywhere.

Except when they vote apparently.
 
Except when they vote apparently.

people vote the way they want to vote.
stop lieing to them and see how much they will vote for liberals. they won't.
 
Ok, let's go to the Donald's speech. Why don't you go ahead and point out for me where he specified that he was talking about illegal immigrants (and seriously, how the **** is that a reasonable cop out to refer to all of the illegals as raping drug dealers when many of these people are illegal solely because they are coming into the country illegally and not committing any other type of crime).

"When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically.

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

The context was quite clear that Trump was addressing illegal immigration, and while I may not endorse Trump, he spoke the truth.
 
Ah yes, the "they're all lazy" line. Any other tired sterotypes you want to trot out?

Funny thing is, Hispanics, by and large, are some if the hardest working people I've ever seen. But as long as the GOP keeps treating them like taco Arabs, they can forget that voting bloc.

after Romney lost in 2012, lots of people said it was due to the GOP opposing immigration. IN reality it was due to the fact that Latino voters were big fans of handouts. we are told that latino voters are very conservative socially yet continue to vote for the party of gay rights abortion and other stuff that "socially conservative " voters would oppose. WHY, because its handouts that are the most important to that bloc of voters
 
The context was quite clear that Trump was addressing illegal immigration, and while I may not endorse Trump, he spoke the truth.

Oh OK, well then I should get the same excuse. When I referenced Trump's speech, the context is clear that I was referring to his ACTUAL SPEECH and not to whatever spin or phrase you believe he should have used.
 
One person's 'truth' is a lot of other people's anti-Hispanic racism.

I see racism everywhere. I saw it in my Raisin Bran this morning. Damn Post - Marjorie Merriweather Post - need I say more?
 
Oh OK, well then I should get the same excuse. When I referenced Trump's speech, the context is clear that I was referring to his ACTUAL SPEECH and not to whatever spin or phrase you believe he should have used.

You get no excuses - none. Most major news outlets reported Trump's remarks as "illegal immigration" comments because that's what they were.
 
after Romney lost in 2012, lots of people said it was due to the GOP opposing immigration. IN reality it was due to the fact that Latino voters were big fans of handouts. we are told that latino voters are very conservative socially yet continue to vote for the party of gay rights abortion and other stuff that "socially conservative " voters would oppose. WHY, because its handouts that are the most important to that bloc of voters

Who doesn't like handouts? It may not be right but the world is shifting towards collectivism and against the consolidation of wealth in the hands of the few even right here in America we can see it closing in on all sides. To be honest its not the handouts that worry me as much as the Nanny State that is being constructed to enforce the liberal's principles at the cost of our constitutional freedoms. In short I could live in Robin Hood's forest, I don't have so much that I'm going to be robbed and I don't need so much that I will be receiving any gifts. I'm not so cavalier about living in the Fourth Reich.
 
I see racism everywhere. I saw it in my Raisin Bran this morning. Damn Post - Marjorie Merriweather Post - need I say more?

Were the flakes oppressing the raisins again? Damn flake privilege. :2mad:
 
[geek hat]

That's not the first rule. The First Rule is that People are Stupid. People will believe things mainly because they want, or fear, it to be true.

[/geek hat]

I thought the first rule was "don't talk about fight club."
 
Frankly, I wish both parties would hurry up and die.

The more states that have open primaries the less relevant belonging to a party becomes.
 
If there were no polling allowed the elections would be better off, the way it is now most people vote for who they think has the best chance of winning (based on polls) rather than for which candidate really represents what they believe in or what is best for the country.
 
You get no excuses - none. Most major news outlets reported Trump's remarks as "illegal immigration" comments because that's what they were.

Even if you are going to give Trump the benefit of twisting his words such that they refer only to illegal immigrants, the man still launched into a racist rant by implying that the individuals who come here are all rapists and drug dealers.

Oh I know, I haven't convinced you of that point - I do not care. You have not convinced me that he was specifically talking about illegal immigrants or that, if he was, the speech was not racist. And if you have not convinced me, a white US citizen, then I highly doubt that you or Trump will be able to convince the millions of Hispanics around the country and the world who were justifiably offended at statements made against their own people.
 
Even if you are going to give Trump the benefit of twisting his words such that they refer only to illegal immigrants, the man still launched into a racist rant by implying that the individuals who come here are all rapists and drug dealers.

I'm not giving Trump anything. I'm not a supporter. I'm not the one twisting his words though. You are. And he didn't "imply" that everybody who illegally enters the country is a rapist or a drug dealer.

Oh I know, I haven't convinced you of that point - I do not care. You have not convinced me that he was specifically talking about illegal immigrants or that, if he was, the speech was not racist. And if you have not convinced me, a white US citizen, then I highly doubt that you or Trump will be able to convince the millions of Hispanics around the country and the world who were justifiably offended at statements made against their own people.

I'm not interested in convincing you of anything. I'm interested in the truth of Trump's comments whether I entirely agree with them, the advisability of making them, or how they may be played by the dishonest. His remarks were correct, and anybody who takes a look at the compiled statistics would have to agree - unless of course, the person looking disregarded them in favor of a political narrative.
 
The problem with conservative (and most white people) is that we just cannot understand the mindsets of other peoples.

Most white people really like capitalism, property rights, freedom of association and all the unearned privilege it entails. We need to recognize that other demographics do not want or need those things, and that those values, as "universally good" as they may be, are largely only attractive to persons of white heritage.

Hispanics are not going to vote for "freedom" and capitalism. They don't vote for it in Mexico, they don't vote for it in Venezuela, they don't vote for it in Colombia, they don't vote for it in Bolivia, they don't vote for it in Brazil, they don't vote for it in Chile, they don't vote for it in Guatemala, and they're not going to vote for it here. If there were any chance of the Hispanic vote turning conservative, they would have done so by now.
 
The problem with conservative (and most white people) is that we just cannot understand the mindsets of other peoples.

Most white people really like capitalism, property rights, freedom of association and all the unearned privilege it entails. We need to recognize that other demographics do not want or need those things, and that those values, as "universally good" as they may be, are largely only attractive to persons of white heritage.

Hispanics are not going to vote for "freedom" and capitalism. They don't vote for it in Mexico, they don't vote for it in Venezuela, they don't vote for it in Colombia, they don't vote for it in Bolivia, they don't vote for it in Brazil, they don't vote for it in Chile, they don't vote for it in Guatemala, and they're not going to vote for it here. If there were any chance of the Hispanic vote turning conservative, they would have done so by now.

If South American countries are what they want and vote for why come here?
 
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