The "Gay Agenda"[W:504]

[calamity]

You indulge in water sports and then turn around and accuse others of being deviant?

at least I'm getting a lot of mileage out of that line.

 

[calamity]

In that case there are many "deviant" heterosexuals around by your logic. Whether sodomy is deviant or not, your refusal above to accept that it's not specifically gay sexual behaviour that spreads HIV lays bear your homophobia. Once again, you should examine honestly and closely the reasons for your bigotry. Share with the group perhaps?

I never said that there weren't any deviant heterosexuals. But, it's been repeatedly shown that it is men who have sex with men who are most at risk of HIV. Why do you keep ignoring this? An agenda perhaps?

 

[Gardener]

at least I'm getting a lot of mileage out of that line.

You can add it to all the blather about having a big, fat gay agenda crammed down your throat if you wish.

 

[CLAX1911]

...is abnormal...

That is your opinion.

 

[CLAX1911]

So, you admit after all that there is indeed a gay agenda.Thank

To tell the truth, yeah.

Maybe someday those surveys showing who gets HIV will no longer separate MSM from Hetero men. You'd like that too. Right?

Well, zero would not seperate anybody. Yeah, It seems odd that anyone would want anything different.

 

[calamity]

You can add it to all the blather about having a big, fat gay agenda crammed down your throat if you wish.

Well, considering one of the posters here readily admitted the agenda was to strip people of their religious convictions and commandeer the minds of their school children...the word "blather' is truly relative. Rare is the gay agenda so clearly exposed.

 

[CLAX1911]

Lying might be the black males who self-identify as hetero but are probably bi. If white males were lying, there would be more hetero white males with HIV in the survey. The reason for black men lying would be that being bi is still taboo in black communities but less so in white. If I engaged in MSM, I'd have no qualms with admitting it.

Good for you

I'm not the one in a group getting HIV by the thousands every year.

Neither am I.

So, not angry. I'm just amazed by the cognitive dissonance of those who do get diseases at such high rates.

I didn't realize saying I protect myself by using prophylactic and restraint was cognitive dissonance. I must understand a different meaning of the word.

It's obvious to anyone without an agenda that MSM is incredibly risky, infinitely more so than for those heterosexual men.

Yet again mistaking correlation for causation. I have lots of sex with a man. Sometimes every day of the week my risk is very little for a number of reasons.

Gay sex is not "normal,"

That is an opinion.

not by any definition of the word.

The definition of the word is so subjective it has little meaning when used in as broad a context as you are attempting.

If only 5%'of the population was heterosexual, then MSM would be normal. But since over 95% is hetero, it's obvious then that MSM is not "normal."

Being a minority doesn't make it abnormal. By that same reason I can say being Jewish is abnormal because most Christians aren't.

That's not to say gay sex is "wrong"...just that it is not normal and, of course, very risky.

It is simply your opinion that it's not normal. And sex itself isn't risky. If you only had sex with people that aren't infected explain how the risk of being infected is high?

 

[CLAX1911]

Well, considering one of the posters here readily admitted the agenda was to strip people of their religious convictions and commandeer the minds of their school children...the word "blather' is truly relative. Rare is the gay agenda so clearly exposed.

Yep I have an agenda to tell the truth.

 

[CLAX1911]

You can add it to all the blather about having a big, fat gay agenda crammed down your throat if you wish.

He wants so desperately for homosexuality to be the causation of STDs. It is apparently an agenda to speak the truth about it being a correlation.

 

[calamity]

That is your opinion.

abnormal

adjective ab·nor·mal \(ˌ)ab-ˈnȯr-məl, əb-\
: different from what is normal or average : unusual especially in a way that causes problems

With only 2% of the population being gay men, they are definitely "different from what is normal or average."

And, lord knows they cause problems, like initiating this gay agenda.

 

[calamity]

Yep I have an agenda to tell the truth.

The truth is the gay agenda exists, and part of it is to brainwash people, especially children via our liberal public school systems, into believing homosexuality is normal. And, I always wondered why so many people are homeschooling. Now I know.

 

[chromium]

You can add it to all the blather about having a big, fat gay agenda crammed down your throat if you wish.

Something tells me he likes having things crammed down his throat

NTTAWT

 

[Gardener]

Something tells me he likes having things crammed down his throat

NTTAWT

And you shouldn't underestimate his ability to indulge in arguments that could only be described as a slippery slope.

 

[chromium]

And you shouldn't underestimate his ability to indulge in arguments that could only be described as a slippery slope.

i rather think even the "gay rights will lead to marriage to horses/children/corpses" crowd is embarrassed by him. Notice they've stopped posting

 

[Zinthaniel]

The truth is the gay agenda exists, and part of it is to brainwash people, especially children via our liberal public school systems, into believing homosexuality is normal. And, I always wondered why so many people are homeschooling. Now I know.

Except that is not that truth that is just the lie that in integral to your own agenda.

In your mind, and many of your right wing brethren, simply discussing homosexuals in public and with children is a act of infiltration. Simply saying that, yes there are men who fall in love with other men and women with other women is brainwashing. Of course, the only remedy you see, is to revert back to when homosexuals were publicly admonished and shamed. You yearn for an era where homosexuals are still seen as disgusting creatures worthy of contempt and abuse.


You assume that acknowledging the existence of homosexuals is a blight among the public, but that fear and that hate is your bigotry. And your insistence that homosexuals should be treated differently is your agenda, as you like to refer to these sort of things.

 

[calamity]

Except that is not that truth that is just the lie that in integral to your own agenda.

In your mind, and many of your right wing brethren, simply discussing homosexuals in public and with children is a act of infiltration. Simply saying that, yes there are men who fall in love with other men and women with other women is brainwashing. Of course, the only remedy you see, is to revert back to when homosexuals were public admonished and shamed. You yearn for an era where homosexuals are still seen as disgusting creatures worthy of contempt and abuse.


You assume that acknowledging the existence of homosexuals is a blight among the public, but that fear and that hate is your bigotry.

I have nothing against acknowledging that homosexuals exist. My argument is that calling it "normal" is a big fat lie.

 

[Zinthaniel]

I have nothing against acknowledging that homosexuals exist. My argument is that calling it "normal" is a big fat lie.

Your "issues" have changed like the seasons in this thread. You jump from one red herring to the next. Homosexuality is a present and natural variance in sexuality among all species. That is a fact. It is a harmless preference in who one is attracted to.

 

[calamity]

Your "issues" have changed like the seasons in this thread. You jump from one red herring to the next. Homosexuality is a present and natural variance in sexuality among all species. That is a fact. It is a harmless preference in who one is attracted to.

Harmless? No according to all those HIV statistics I posted several pages back. :roll:

 

[Zinthaniel]

Harmless? No according to all those HIV statistics I posted several pages back. :roll:

Homosexuality has nothing to do with the contraction of HIV. It is unprotected sex that leads to contraction. Nothing else contributes to that risk.

 

[calamity]

Homosexuality has nothing to do with the contraction of HIV. It is unprotected sex that leads to contraction. Nothing else contributes to that risk.

Why do 2% of the population, gay men, have over 70% of the new HIV cases?

Maybe the gay agenda should be more about educating young gay men too stupid to use protection instead of trying to strip the religious of their convictions while brainwashing their children into accepting homosexuality as normal. Of course, if you succeed in brainwashing enough of them, a few might join the tribe and catch HIV. Then you may get your revenge on the religious nutters after all.

 

[Zinthaniel]

Truth in advertising would do the gay agenda a lot of good.

Homosexuality isn't advertised any more than heterosexuality. In fact, the latter trump the former by a long shot. And the lies illustrated by the "sex sales" mantra is a dedicated discussion that adversely effects young men and women world wide.

IMO, instead of trying to pawn off a turd as a gold nugget, they'd be better served to drop the nonsense about gay male sex being normal

Well first of all, there is not such thing as "gay sex". There is just sex. Gay men, in particular have, anal sex as do many heterosexuals. The way anal sex operates does not differ depending on the orientation of the couple, nor does the risk factor - as I have already established with a previous link I gave you. In both cases, for heterosexuals and homosexuals, the penis is inserted into the anus. This alone confirms that there is no difference - that there is no magical distinction that requires one be called "gay sex" while the other be called "straight".

simply admit that they are a small minority engaged in deviant and highly risky sexual behavior

Why would anybody admit to something that isn't true. Homosexuals may be a minority, that is a truth, but there is nothing inherently high risk about being homosexual. Your conflation of two entirely different thing - unprotected sex and the state of being homosexual - is your own ignorance on the topic. Or perhaps it is your intent to spread lies because you despise homosexuals.

but that they should be accepted nonetheless.

The lgbt community and any activist is simply fighting for equality under the law. There is not a single advocacy group that is fighting to put in place laws that would force you to accept or tolerate homosexuals in your personal life.

If your belief is that simply allowing homosexuals access to marriage, protecting them from undue discrimination and prejudice in public businesses ( a right that everyone, including you, a straight presumably white man has access to) and criminalizing them for simply being gay then you are going to simply have to reconcile with the fact that your hate and bigotry towards homosexuals is not supported by law.

After all, honesty is the best policy.

That is ironic coming from you since you have spent you entire participation in this thread being dishonest.

 

[calamity]

Homosexuality isn't advertised any more than heterosexuality. In fact, the latter trump the former by a long shot. And the lies illustrated by the "sex sales" mantra is a dedicated discussion that adversely effects young men and women world wide.




Well first of there is not such thing as "gay sex". There is just sex. Gay men, in particular have, anal sex as do many heterosexuals. The way anal sex operates does not difference depending on the orientation of the couple, nor does the risk factor - as I have already established with a previous link I gave you. In both cases, for heterosexuals and homosexuals, the penis is inserted into the anus. This alone confirms that there is no difference - that there is no magical distinction that requires one be called "gay sex" while the other be called "straight".





Why would anybody admit to something that isn't true. Homosexuals may be a minority, that is a truth, but there is nothing inherently high risk about being homosexual. Your conflation of two entirely different thing - unprotected sex and the state of being homosexual - is your own ignorance on the topic. Or perhaps it is your intent to spread lies because you despise homosexuals.




The lgbt community and any activist is simply fighting for equality under the law. There is not a single advocacy group that is fighting to put in place laws that would force you to accept or tolerate homosexuals in your personal life.

If your belief is that simply allowing homosexuals access to marriage, protecting them from undue discrimination and prejudice in public businesses ( a right that everyone, including you, a straight presumably white man has access to) and criminalizing them for simply being gay then you are going to simply have to reconcile with the fact that your hate and bigotry towards homosexuals is not supported by law.




That is ironic coming from you since you have spent you entire participation in this thread being dishonest.

False (statement in bold). But, thanks for once again showing us that there is out there a gay agenda which is promoting falsehoods.

 

[Zinthaniel]

Why do 2% of the population, gay men, have over 70% of the new HIV cases?

Those gay men are contracting hiv because of unprotected sex. It has nothing to do with their sexuality.

Maybe the gay agenda should be more about educating young gay men too stupid to use protection instead of trying to strip the religious of their convictions while brainwashing their children into accepting homosexuality as normal.

Well first of all, the majority of homosexuals do not have HIV. This is mainly because of the education and the advocacy within the gay community to have protected sex. So your lie that this does not happen is just that, a lie.

No one is stripping anybody of their conviction. Having convictions does not give you a free pass to abuse people as you see fit. The religious right does not have a monoply on the standards of life and their surely do not have a respectbale grasp on the nature of empirical and substancited science. Saying something is bad becaue you and you scientifically illiterate holu book says so is not a sufficient argument against an entire community of people.

Furthermore - no is being brainwashed by the lgbt community. In actuallity it is the other way aorund. It has taken nearly 70 years to weed out and untangle the lies spread by the religious about homosexuals. For so long Christians have created an atmosphere for homosexulas that facilitated hate, bigotry, abuse, and condemnation.

Refuting these lies and doing so publicly may tick of you and your religious friends, but let me assure you that it is the furthest thing from brainwashing. Homosexuals in their fight for their integrity and dignity spread truth and factual information about themselves and the nature of their sexuality. Knowldge is power and that is something that is severly lacking in you diatribe and the agenda that you are championing.

Of course, if you succeed in brainwashing enough of them, a few might join the tribe and catch HIV.

Well seeing that the lGBT community is adamant about safe and protected sex and considering that you can only contract stds, including HIV, via unprotected sex - the lgbt community is do a swell job in it's fight against unsafe sex.

So whatever brainwashing you are referring to is nonexistent - except for perhaps in your own spread of ignorance about the homosexuals and their community.

Then you may get your revenge on the religious nutters after all.

The LGBT community is not seeking revenge.

However, judging by many exchanges here and in the headlines and the heavy push by the religious for prejudice laws, many of them are seeking revenge. seeking revenge because homosexuals have the audacity to fight for equality and strip them of their monopoly on sexuality and what is right or wrong.

 

[Zinthaniel]

False (statement in bold). But, thanks for once again showing us that there is out there a gay agenda which is promoting falsehoods.

It's not false. No amount of distortion or deflection on your part will pervert that fact.

There is nothing inherently risky about being homosexual. That is your hateful ignorance speaking - not facts.

There is also is no "gay agenda" other than securing equal rights. Refuting your distorted and hateful narrative about homosexuals and your woefully retarded understanding of how STDs are contracted is not an agenda. And if it is, if spreading the truth in the face of lies is an "agenda", then that is an agenda I don't mind being apart of.

 

[CLAX1911]

The truth is the gay agenda exists, and part of it is to brainwash people, especially children via our liberal public school systems, into believing homosexuality is normal. And, I always wondered why so many people are homeschooling. Now I know.

Why is it brainwashing? Can you prove homosexuality is abnormal? Keep in mind just saying something is not the majority doesn't qualify it as being abnormal.