The future the left wants/creates.

[Fishking]

Or... Not. It's an opinion piece, not a news report. One that apparently uses footage of the same homeless camps... interspersed with video footage that doesn't support the idea of "homeless and trash and destruction everywhere."

It's also only one of a series. Why gosh, I wonder why you only picked the entry that fits your ideological preferences?

It's not an opinion piece at all. There was no "I believe" or any such thing. It was factual reporting. That there are other parts of the series is irrelevant to the points made in the video. Care to try again?

Downtown Portland businesses reeling, again, after latest spate of vandalism

Businesses that had hoped the worst behind them are instead boarding up their windows again. Some are closing forever.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[Fishking]

You sure about that?

You don't understand what the word "sustained" or "systemic" means, do you?

 

[mrjurrs]

Your comment doesn't make sense to me. You'd have to rephrase it. Portland has a significant homeless camp issue and so do many parts of California. That's one aspect that my OP is highlighting.

I misunderstood, I thought you were referring to the ongoing protests in Portland.

All states have homeless issues. CA's massive problem is partially due to the fact that homeless people are not stupid. If you didn't have a home, would you choose to live in CA or in ND?

 

[Fishking]

I misunderstood, I thought you were referring to the ongoing protests in Portland.

All states have homeless issues. CA's massive problem is partially due to the fact that homeless people are not stupid. If you didn't have a home, would you choose to live in CA or in ND?

It was about the protests and homelessness. A lot of the liberal cities pass policies that create bigger homeless problems. Here in TX Austin removed a camping ban and shit just got crazy. They just voted to reinstated it with a 59% vote and Austin is very liberal.

 

[Luce]

THIS IS THE FUTURE THE LEFT WANTS

 

[Visbek]

There was no "I believe" or any such thing.

That's.... not the definition of an opinion piece.

In fact, opinion pieces leave out "I believe..." type statements, because it's implied by writing the piece.

For example, here is a random op-ed from the NY Times. The author never says "I believe" or "I think," and it is obviously not a news article, it's an opinion piece.

Opinion | Separate but Equal, the Court Said. One Voice Dissented. (Published 2021)

As the only voice on the Supreme Court against Plessy v. Ferguson, Justice John Marshall Harlan did more than anyone since the Continental Army to enshrine dissent as an American tradition.

www.nytimes.com

It was factual reporting.

No. It wasn't.

"Factual reporting" doesn't use manipulative mood music, or cherry-picked stats, or prints the opinions of anonymous individuals, or intones that a city with a long history of protest is "dying" because of... protests.

That there are other parts of the series is irrelevant to the points made in the video.

Really? So the presumably left-leaning people who are getting together to clean up downtown isn't relevant to your claim that "this is what The Left wants?" Who knew?

Did you even watch any of the rest of the series?

 

[Blue Dog]

The people actually rioting and destroying property are criminals.

Period

 

[Bullseye]

I accept your second admission that this is what you want in the U.S.

It’s the classic DEMOCRATIC simian response - upset them and the flng poo for days.

 

[Visbek]

You don't understand what the word "sustained" or "systemic" means, do you?

Police brutality in the US is both sustained and systemic, and it causes protests to become violent. How did you miss that part?

 

[Fishking]

That's.... not the definition of an opinion piece.

In fact, opinion pieces leave out "I believe..." type statements, because it's implied by writing the piece.

For example, here is a random op-ed from the NY Times. The author never says "I believe" or "I think," and it is obviously not a news article, it's an opinion piece.

Opinion | Separate but Equal, the Court Said. One Voice Dissented. (Published 2021)

As the only voice on the Supreme Court against Plessy v. Ferguson, Justice John Marshall Harlan did more than anyone since the Continental Army to enshrine dissent as an American tradition.

www.nytimes.com

No. It wasn't.

"Factual reporting" doesn't use manipulative mood music, or cherry-picked stats, or prints the opinions of anonymous individuals, or intones that a city with a long history of protest is "dying" because of... protests.

Sorry that facts bother you so much, which is what the report was presenting.

Really? So the presumably left-leaning people who are getting together to clean up downtown isn't relevant to your claim that "this is what The Left wants?" Who knew?

Did you even watch any of the rest of the series?

Until those same left stand up to these people and shut them down it doesn't matter.

 

[Mr Person]

With their divorcement from reality, destruction of American norms, disregard for property, and corrupt ideology Portland shows us a good example of what happens when you start tipping too far to the left. They've run Portland into the ground and what you see here is spreading. Similar statuses can be found in California, as well as other deep blue areas. This doesn't get the national news coverage it deserves because the media is a propaganda arm of the Democrat party and it would hurt their standing.

It "doesn't get national news coverage" and he posts a video from CBS News.

Every.

Single.

Time.




But Trumpists do not seem particularly good at recognizing when they've got eggs on their faces.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Unhinged is denying reality, which you're amazing at.

You just causally confirmed you believe in some gigantic multi level conspiracy theory.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Until those same left stand up to these people and shut them down it doesn't matter.

So then you don’t believe it was a small percentage of Trump voters who staged an insurrection. It was all of you.

Harsh.

 

[Felis Leo]

THIS IS THE FUTURE THE LEFT WANTS

Dear God. For this alone we must stop them.

 

[gbg3]

With their divorcement from reality, destruction of American norms, disregard for property, and corrupt ideology Portland shows us a good example of what happens when you start tipping too far to the left. They've run Portland into the ground and what you see here is spreading. Similar statuses can be found in California, as well as other deep blue areas. This doesn't get the national news coverage it deserves because the media is a propaganda arm of the Democrat party and it would hurt their standing.

Absolutely! Portland should be a front and center story. Every American voter needs a clear view of what a tip too far left results in. And yes, Dems and their media arm don't want the Portland situation in view at all let alone in full view. I think it's simply appalling when a party well knows how very destructive their policies are, has real life/real time examples - and wants to hide them rather than learn from and regroup on their harmful policies.
Good and important OP, IMO.

 

[Felis Leo]

With their divorcement from reality, destruction of American norms, disregard for property, and corrupt ideology Portland shows us a good example of what happens when you start tipping too far to the left. They've run Portland into the ground and what you see here is spreading. Similar statuses can be found in California, as well as other deep blue areas. This doesn't get the national news coverage it deserves because the media is a propaganda arm of the Democrat party and it would hurt their standing.

I think it is more accurate to claim that this is what the policies of the political left in areas controlled solely by the political left (Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc.) have led to.

But to claim this is the world that they desire is a step too far. I do not know anyone amongst the political left who are genuinely happy or desirous of situations in which thousands of poor, often-mentally disturbed homeless derelicts are left to sleep in public parks, or that there is rioting and looting in the erstwhile beautiful downtowns of coastal cities.

Of course, I might be wrong here. Is there anyone here on the political left who would care to comment? @Mr Person? @Luce? @Aunt Antifa? @Winston? @tacomancer? Did you want the rioting and homelessness, and vote in politicians who promised you that they would make homelessness and lawlessness go up and livability of our most prosperous cities go down?*

*EDIT: If that was an improper use of tagging, I apologize.

 

[gbg3]

That's actually an issue you leftists have. You fail to see the end game of your policy.
Look no further than Venezuela for a sneek peek.

Yes!

 

[Mr Person]

The people actually rioting and destroying property are criminals.

Period

Apart from a few nutters who claimed such things as that looting was justified, that was never in disagreement.

What was in disagreement was the fairness and/or honesty of attacking the protestors as a whole based on the actions of those criminals who used them as a shield between themselves and the police and, by doing this, to generally indict the entire message.

There were other dishonesties floating around, like attacking the message that a black lives matter as much as everyone else's by going on about how one of the formal group's founders said something about considering herself a "Marxist". Who cares? Doesn't reflect on the message and nobody of any account is advocating government seizure of the means of production. Come to think of it, just about every disagreement surrounded some dishonest attempt to attack the overall message.

 

[Omniscient]

With their divorcement from reality, destruction of American norms, disregard for property, and corrupt ideology Portland shows us a good example of what happens when you start tipping too far to the left. They've run Portland into the ground and what you see here is spreading. Similar statuses can be found in California, as well as other deep blue areas. This doesn't get the national news coverage it deserves because the media is a propaganda arm of the Democrat party and it would hurt their standing.

yes far left and far right are both irrational

and so is any ideology that makes you look at things in only one way

byron katie has a self help system where u entertain the opposites of what you think

 

[Fishking]

I think it is more accurate to claim that this is what the policies of the political left in areas controlled solely by the political left (Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc.) have led to.

But to claim this is the world that they desire is a step too far. I do not know anyone amongst the political left who are genuinely happy or desirous of situations in which thousands of poor, often-mentally disturbed homeless derelicts are left to sleep in public parks, or that there is rioting and looting in the erstwhile beautiful downtowns of coastal cities.

Of course, I might be wrong here. Is there anyone here on the political left who would care to comment? @Mr Person? @Luce? @Aunt Antifa? @Winston? @tacomancer? Did you want the rioting and homelessness, and vote in politicians who promised you that they would make homelessness and lawlessness go up and livability of our most prosperous cities go down?*

*EDIT: If that was an improper use of tagging, I apologize.

If they either deny, turn a blind eye to, or don't do anything about changing things away from this type of result then they must want it.

 

[Mr Person]

That's actually an issue you leftists have. You fail to see the end game of your policy.
Look no further than Venezuela for a sneek peek.

Trumpists: the only time they aren't screaming "socialism!" is when they're threatening us with the imminent destruction of America. Not one single thought of their own since Fox got started up.

 

[Fishking]

So then you don’t believe it was a small percentage of Trump voters who staged an insurrection. It was all of you.

Harsh.

Those people are being held accountable. Also, it lasted 4 hrs and is a singular event. Any other stupid comparisons up your sleeve?

 

[Fishking]

You just causally confirmed you believe in some gigantic multi level conspiracy theory.

It's not a conspiracy. It's right out in the open. There are sustained levels of violence and destruction and it has systemic support by mayors and the local justice departments. This is all openly reported in the news. Hell, the Portland mayor literally went out to join the protesters that laid siege on a federal courthouse. Of course, the violent leftists started turning on him, he was assaulted, and had to have his security pull him out of there all while saying it "wasn't violent". This is all on video.

 

[Fishking]

Every.

Single.

Time.

But Trumpists do not seem particularly good at recognizing when they've got eggs on their faces.

It was a local station, but thanks for joining in on being wrong too. Not shocked.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Those people are being held accountable. Also, it lasted 4 hrs and is a singular event. Any other stupid comparisons up your sleeve?

It was held in one place, and lasted 4 hours…and? Any other completely random caveats you want to add that mean nothing to get out of your self-own?

Also: Jan 6 wasn’t just 4 hours. It was months in the making.