The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare [W:71]

[Smartmouthwoman]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Who's surprised?

http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-...ed-obama-campaign-voter-tracking-2460848.html

 

[274ina]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

So the 85% of French people who think they are buying insurance really aren't? You should tell them it is banned and they should save their money!

Government "health insurance" is single payer, not extorsion USA "insurnace". And you will also note there are no $200 mil HC CEO's in france, or greedy scum Dr's.

So france, compared to USA, is UHC. And has no "insurance"

french Dr pay
Physician salaries: Would the French model work here?

all you need to know about USA HC
Sick for Profit - Insurance CEOs

 

[274ina]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

So the 85% of French people who think they are buying insurance really aren't? You should tell them it is banned and they should save their money!

Government "health insurance" is single payer, not extorsion USA "insurnace". And you will also note there are no $200 mil HC CEO's in france, or greedy scum Dr's.

So france, compared to USA, is UHC. And has no "insurance"

french Dr pay
Physician salaries: Would the French model work here?

all you need to know about USA HC
Sick for Profit - Insurance CEOs

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

So france, compared to USA, is UHC. And has no "insurance"

Maybe you should tell that to the 85% there who buy private supplemental health insurance because they get complete quality coverage for free!

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

"Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues

One in ten Swedes now has private health insurance, often through their employers, with some recipients stating it makes business sense to be seen quickly rather than languish in national health care queues."

Swedes buy insurance to skip long health queues - The Local

 

[Cardinal Fang]

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You don't think the problem is that nobody read the thing before it was passed.

YOU didn't read it. That's YOUR problem. The people who were working on the bill knew every letter of every word and every comma and semicolon.

It was passed with no bi partisan support.

Really? Do you not recognize partisan bloc-voting commanded by obstructionist Republican leadership when you see it? The Party of No at work. In fact, there are nearly 150 Republican-authored amendments included in the law, and the bipartisan so-called Gang of Six was instrumental in forging PPACA language until the Republicans involved were summarily issued orders to pull back in advance of the astro-turfed town hall meeting barrage of death panels nonsense unleashed in August of 2009.

Obama has had to modify it with signing statements several times.

Modify? LOL! But you pointed to zero examples. Surely you could have come up with at least one or two.

The government spends lots of time in court defending it because it interferes with religious freedom. There is something wrong with our country when there is a court case called The United States vs. The Little Sisters of the Poor. I'm not religious but come on. Have we sunk that low?

Ask the Little Sisters of the Poor. They hold religious beliefs and they want other women to die for those beliefs. Talk about evil incarnate.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

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Nonsense.

Denial of the patently obvious is simply pathetic.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Really? Maybe you should read what real Americans are going thru before you blame Obamacares' miserable failure on poor widdle Bawak's fewins.

Has nothing to do with feelings. Has to do with ignorant, backward mindsets. Base fears and raw hatreds manipulated and played upon for crude partisan purposes. There are people in this country who make the Moslem cartoon protesters seem cutting-edge in their thinking.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Denial of the patently obvious is simply pathetic.

So his answer to your post should be the same because your post could be used as the dictionary example of the word nonsense.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

You just described a "Partisan Hack"

Had you thought that I didn't intend to? Knee-jerk know-nothings who respond negatively to anything associated with Obama are perfect examples of partisan hacks. Now we see them called "real Americans". LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

 

[uncleray]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

People seem to be overlooking the fundamental problem of ObamaCare.

The whole concept of universal health insurance is cost spreading. However, the real problem is health cost inflation. ObamaCare does nothing substantial to reduce costs in healthcare.

ObamaCare will fail because it will not reduce costs. They will continue to increase because the root problems have not been addressed.

I suppose it does fit in with the "we're all in it together" talking point from this administration. Only what isn't mentioned is that we will all fail together.

I would have to agree that opportunities to get a handle on health care costs were missed.
Failure to negotiate drug prices is but one example.

 

[Smartmouthwoman]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Has nothing to do with feelings. Has to do with ignorant, backward mindsets. Base fears and raw hatreds manipulated and played upon for crude partisan purposes. There are people in this country who make the Moslem cartoon protesters seem cutting-edge in their thinking.

No idea what that sermon means... except to say your mind is made up and you don't want to hear about real Americans' experiences.

Low information voters are Obama's best friends... without you, we'd have never even heard of him.

Don't visit this official govt site. What do these people know, anyway right?


https://m.facebook.com/Healthcare.g...://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php&_rdr

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

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I would have to agree that opportunities to get a handle on health care costs were missed.
Failure to negotiate drug prices is but one example.

There was no increase in the number of people who actually provide the healthcare in Obamacare so I'm not sure how you can expect to reduce costs much by adding MORE patients to the same number of providers. It's not like they can work 25 hours a day. You can save around the margins but to expect to see a huge drop in costs is just crazy. If anything you would expect to see less healthcare available and higher costs as overworked providers decided to get out of the profession.

 

[clownboy]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

YOU didn't read it. That's YOUR problem. The people who were working on the bill knew every letter of every word and every comma and semicolon.

That's not true at all. In fact even Nancy Pelosi admitted she didn't know what was in the bill. Heck, for the longest time she thought single payer was part of the deal.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

So his answer to your post should be the same because your post could be used as the dictionary example of the word nonsense.

Seriously? You actually live in this country and can still believe that Birthers, gun nuts, fundies, and TEA Party extremists are reacting to anything other than the fact that Obama is black? Skin color is freaking the only thing these people know about the man or his policies. Look at the PPACA vitriol being pumped out in this very thread by people who have never read a single word of the law, don't know anything about how the current health care system works or is financed, and have no practical visions, insights, or ideas as to how things could be improved upon at all. These people know exactly nothing pertinent or material to the subject area. They bring nothing to the table. Nothing. But they still hate PPACA simply because they associate it with Obama and they hate Obama simply because he is black. Go ahead, try to deny it.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Seriously? You actually live in this country and can still believe that Birthers, gun nuts, fundies, and TEA Party extremists are reacting to anything other than the fact that Obama is black?

Seriously, you believe that nobody could actually be against Obamacare because the idea sucks?

Your post is exactly what the original response was, nonsense.

 

[sangha]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

There was no increase in the number of people who actually provide the healthcare in Obamacare

This is a lie. "Subtitle C--Increasing the Supply of the Health Care Workforce" has numerous provisions to increase the number of providers.

 

[Smartmouthwoman]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

The millions of people who were lied to about keeping their insurance luv Obama and the Democrats. In fact, they can hardly wait until Nov to show them how much.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

This is a lie. "Subtitle C--Increasing the Supply of the Health Care Workforce" has numerous provisions to increase the number of providers.

Tell me, how many more healthcare providers are there now than before the law was passed?

 

[sangha]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Tell me, how many more healthcare providers are there now than before the law was passed?

So you know that you lied when you claimed that ACA doesn't increase the # of providers, but instead of admitting to it, you're going to try and change your argument.

The # of providers is increasing and projected to continue to increase

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

So you know that you lied when you claimed that ACA doesn't increase the # of providers, but instead of admitting to it, you're going to try and change your argument.

Still have fix your reading problem. I didn't say anything about ACA authorized increasing or not increasing. I said the number didn't increase. How you expect to add 40 million new patients to the same number of PCP's and expect healthcare costs to decrease is something only a sycophant can believe is possible.

 

[sangha]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Still have fix your reading problem. I didn't say anything about ACA authorized increasing or not increasing. I said the number didn't increase.

No, you did not say that "the # of doctors has not increased since the passage of ACA". If you had, you'd still be lying because the of doctors *has* increased since then. What you said was:

There was no increase in the number of people who actually provide the healthcare in Obamacare

Notice how the bolded part does not say "since ACA was passed". It says "in Obamacare" and ACA does have provision in it that increase the # of providers and as a result, the # of providers has increased.

How you expect to add 40 million new patients to the same number of PCP's and expect healthcare costs to decrease is something only a sycophant can believe is possible.

Typical right wing entitlement mentality to think that people should be denied health care so that you can save a few bucks.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

I would have to agree that opportunities to get a handle on health care costs were missed. Failure to negotiate drug prices is but one example.

Part-D non-negotiation of drug prices was Bush's deliberate doing. But to the larger and far more important point, it must be understood (but typically isn't) that the start point for PPACA is a given. It is the god-awful mess that we had gotten ourselves into coming into 2010. But you cannot simply knock all that down without literally killing at least tens and probably hundreds of thousands of Americans whose daily health and well-being are linked to the health care system as it is right now. You have to be able to bring everyone along on this journey. It will be a long and deliberate process as the result.

Meanwhile, PPACA does in fact include many cost-cutting provisions, but they are not necessarily huge, abrupt, or front-loaded. Those who have difficulty seeing to start out with are likely to miss many of them. Those who get all their info from propaganda outlets are likely to miss all of them. Such people won't understand or appreciate for instance what centralized electronic record systems or comparative effectiveness research might do. They don't know the potental of ACOs (many won't even know what an ACO is). They don't know about revised payment formulas that penalize poorly-performing hospitals. They think that per-unit price concessions obtatined in negotiations with drug and device manufacturers were just "back-room deals" that don't have any real effect. They discount the long-term effects of prevention and wellness care. And many will of course pretend to have never heard of IPAB.

Hot air is cheap these days thanks to the disinformaton media and the cadres of trained seals to whom they toss all those dead fish every day. In such an environment, it becomes ever more incumbent upon those who claim that "opportunities to get a handle on health care costs were missed" to actually point to some of those and suggest what should have been done instead. That remains a much rarer commodity however.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

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Notice how the bolded part does not say "since ACA was passed". It says "in Obamacare" and ACA does have provision in it that increase the # of providers and as a result, the # of providers has increased.

Then tell me how many have been added by Obamacare, not projections from your talking points memo but actual workers in the field.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Re: The Fundamental Problem With ObamaCare

Typical right wing entitlement mentality to think that people should be denied health care so that you can save a few bucks.

Typical acolyte belief that making healthcare less accessible to everyone is a good thing.

Glad you aren't in charge of anything important, I do believe you are one of the few that could actually come up with a worse system than Obamacare.