The Fourteenth Amendment is blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL - it is being used to destroy our Nation

[Crakhobarbie]

I'm all ears .

 

[SavannahMann]

HUH?

The "Courts" or the leftist politicians in black robes ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The Courts. Judges appointed by Trump say it is a violation of the Constitution.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Really?

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. >>>>>>If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, <<<<<<<<<and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.

A Lincoln

Letter in Reply to Horace Greeley on Slavery and the Union—The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Before you post a quote, research it and understand the context behind it.

Go to a library and read up on this.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Beginning with post #2 up to and including yours I have shown beyond reasonable doubt that the 14A is blatantly Unconstitutional

Do you understand what an amendment is, how it works and how it is removed if needed?

I'm being serious not trying to be snarky.

 

[Jason Warfield]

THat's what we have been saying since the treasonous seditious Socialist Demon Rats stole the November 2020 election.

Ok, folks THERE it is.

Don't bother trying to debate this guy. If I had read this first, I wouldn't even have bothered responding to begin with.

Initially, I honestly thought we were dealing with a teenager parroting Daddy's talk. But, no...this guy is going to see what he wants to see, hear what he wants to hear, cherry pick his points and no amount of sense will change his thoughts. Anytime someone still believes that the 2020 election was stolen will never accept facts or common sense.

Remember, for folks like this person, all battles are THE war and if any battle is lost, then the war is lost which makes him a loser...which he cannot be. Anyone who refuses to understand an amendment is, how the Constitution came about and refuses to look at the context of history...will never be wrong in their own minds...simply because they cannot be, even if they know that they are.

 

[Lursa]

THat's what we have been saying since the treasonous seditious Socialist Demon Rats stole the November 2020 election.

 

[reinaert]

Lostcauser dreck.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

WTF? How does one get THIS angry?

 

[Cameron]

This thread is a ****ing parody.

 

[multivita-man]

The Fourteenth Amendemnt is being used by the Socialist Demon Rats and those who hate the US to destroy the union by , inter alia, permitting illegal rampant immigration and reducing the authority of the States

How can the 14A be legit when President Andrew Johnson expressed doubt that the amendment was legitimate because of the Reconstruction process put in place to force and coerce the defeated southern states into ratifying it.

In the face of opposition to the Amendment, Congress passed the first Reconstruction Act over President Johnson’s veto. Despite having sent the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Southern states, >>>>>>>Congress declared that no legal government existed there and divided the South into military districts. Martial law was declared even though the war was already over. Congress also disenfranchised millions of white Southern voters. No Southern state would be allowed seats in Congress, the Radicals decreed, absent ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. <<<<<<<<As Attorney Douglas H. Bryant has asked, “Yet what good is ratification by a government that is not legally recognized and entitled to representation in Congress? And if ratification by a congressionally unrecognized state government is allowed, why can’t an unrecognized state government reject an amendment?

Time to Topple the Fourteenth Amendment - Chronicles

The Fourteenth Amendment is not a beatific and integral part of some mythical “Second Founding.” Indeed, it undermines republican government.

chroniclesmagazine.org

The Constitution is unconstitutional lol.

Just when you think you've read/heard it all...

 

[multivita-man]

This thread is a ****ing parody.

Nah, it's just American conservatism.

 

[RogueWarrior]

One of the reasons my wife calls me CUCUMBER is because 'Im calm and collected

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why is your Ken doll holding a cucumber like that? Are you being size suggestive?

 

[RogueWarrior]

Even though we are considered second or third class Americans - Puerto Ricans Are Americans.

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I know who this is!
It is the guy catching rolls of Bounty after the hurricane. Explains everything...

 

[ModernDiogenes]

The fact that you did not, and could not. contradict the premise of the proposal is telling

You’re not getting it repealed at this point in time because:

1) There is, max, only one third of this nation that’s hard core MAGA. You need 38 states to ratify an amendment to repeal the 14th. Not going to happen.

2) You don’t want it appealed. It applies to ALL of us and there are things in the 14th you don’t want rescinded. It defines citizenship for everyone, equality under the law for EVERYONE land that includes you< and strengthens due process for everyone (and that includes you).

3) The “Dumbing Down of America” has been rather successful, but it hasn’t reached quite that level yet. Maybe another generation and we’ll have gotten to that point.

 

[bongsaway]

The Fourteenth Amendemnt is being used by the Socialist Demon Rats and those who hate the US to destroy the union by , inter alia, permitting illegal rampant immigration and reducing the authority of the States

How can the 14A be legit when President Andrew Johnson expressed doubt that the amendment was legitimate because of the Reconstruction process put in place to force and coerce the defeated southern states into ratifying it.

In the face of opposition to the Amendment, Congress passed the first Reconstruction Act over President Johnson’s veto. Despite having sent the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Southern states, >>>>>>>Congress declared that no legal government existed there and divided the South into military districts. Martial law was declared even though the war was already over. Congress also disenfranchised millions of white Southern voters. No Southern state would be allowed seats in Congress, the Radicals decreed, absent ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. <<<<<<<<As Attorney Douglas H. Bryant has asked, “Yet what good is ratification by a government that is not legally recognized and entitled to representation in Congress? And if ratification by a congressionally unrecognized state government is allowed, why can’t an unrecognized state government reject an amendment?

Time to Topple the Fourteenth Amendment - Chronicles

The Fourteenth Amendment is not a beatific and integral part of some mythical “Second Founding.” Indeed, it undermines republican government.

chroniclesmagazine.org

Feel better? Nice rant but it won't change anything.

 

[bongsaway]

The Trump Administration is the ONLY one with the need and the gumption to attempt to repeal it.

Is now or never.

It takes more than the chump administration to change it.

 

[Tigerace117]

HUH?

“How come the South is said to have fought for slavery when the North wasn’t fighting against slavery?”


Two days before Lincoln’s inauguration as the 16th President, Congress, consisting only of the Northern states, passed overwhelmingly on March 2, 1861, the Corwin Amendment that gave constitutional protection to slavery. Lincoln endorsed the amendment in his inaugural address, saying “I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.”


https://www.lib.niu.edu/2006/ih060934.html

.....because the South explicitly stated they were fighting to defend slavery.

Over, and over, and over again.

If the 14th amendment was to be revoked clearly the statehood of the southern states should also be revoked, and them returned to being military districts

 

[Tigerace117]

Finally , you raised a good point


If the Civil War was truly about Slavery and the 13A was previously ratified


>>>>>>>>>WHY was it necessary to coerce the Southern States UNDER MARTIAL LAW to adopt the Fourteenth ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm all ears .

Because the Slaver South fought to the death to try and defend buying and selling other human beings, and would never willingly accept amendments that provided any degree of equality for non white people.

 

[Along Came Jones]

You’re not getting it repealed at this point in time because:

1) There is, max, only one third of this nation that’s hard core MAGA. You need 38 states to ratify an amendment to repeal the 14th. Not going to happen.

2) You don’t want it appealed. It applies to ALL of us and there are things in the 14th you don’t want rescinded. It defines citizenship for everyone, equality under the law for EVERYONE land that includes you< and strengthens due process for everyone (and that includes you).

3) The “Dumbing Down of America” has been rather successful, but it hasn’t reached quite that level yet. Maybe another generation and we’ll have gotten to that point.

And, as I repeat as often as possible, there is much more in Section One that we do not want messed with: privileges or immunities of citizens; due process of law; and the equal protection of the laws.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

And, as I repeat as often as possible, there is much more in Section One that we do not want messed with: privileges or immunities of citizens; due process of law; and the equal protection of the laws.

Not a cogent counter argument unless you flesh it out. Does nothing to address the fact it’s highly unlikely to get 38 states. Acknowledge it would take an Amendment to repeal the Amendment. Not to mention the opinion expressed I’m my point #3.

 

[Gordy327]

The Trump Administration is the ONLY one with the need and the gumption to attempt to repeal it.

Is now or never.

Never!

WHY do you like the "amendment"

It establishes the criteria for citizenship and personhood.

Since when can RATIFICATION and COERCION be used in the same sentence?

What coercion? The states chose to ratify the 14th Amendment. Thats how the process works. Until a new constitutional amendment invalidating the 14th is passed, it is an applicable part of the Constitution.

The Trump Administration is the ONLY one with the need and the gumption to attempt to repeal it.

Is now or never.

The only way to repeal a constitutional amendment is with another constitutional amendment, which requires 3/4 of the states to ratify. Good luck with that.

 

[Along Came Jones]

Not a cogent counter argument unless you flesh it out. Does nothing to address the fact it’s highly unlikely to get 38 states. Acknowledge it would take an Amendment to repeal the Amendment. Not to mention the opinion expressed I’m my point #3.

You think it might not be a counter argument because it isn't meant to be an argument? It is a flat-out statement.

 

[Gordy327]

Nonsense

Assuming for argument's sake that the 14A was constitutionallu adopted then it merely reversed the Dred Scott Decision

Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)​

It is constitutional until an new amendment deems otherwise. Deal with it!

THat's what we have been saying since the treasonous seditious Socialist Demon Rats stole the November 2020 election.

Doubling down on the absurd BS I see!

Beginning with post #2 up to and including yours I have shown beyond reasonable doubt that the 14A is blatantly Unconstitutional

Only in your mind.

So I must either like the 14A or I don't like Constitution ?

I don't like the 14A because it was NEVER Constitutionally adopted

Plain and Simple

Sounds like a 'you' problem

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

The Fourteenth Amendemnt is being used by the Socialist Demon Rats and those who hate the US to destroy the union by , inter alia, permitting illegal rampant immigration and reducing the authority of the States

How can the 14A be legit when President Andrew Johnson expressed doubt that the amendment was legitimate because of the Reconstruction process put in place to force and coerce the defeated southern states into ratifying it.

In the face of opposition to the Amendment, Congress passed the first Reconstruction Act over President Johnson’s veto. Despite having sent the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Southern states, >>>>>>>Congress declared that no legal government existed there and divided the South into military districts. Martial law was declared even though the war was already over. Congress also disenfranchised millions of white Southern voters. No Southern state would be allowed seats in Congress, the Radicals decreed, absent ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. <<<<<<<<As Attorney Douglas H. Bryant has asked, “Yet what good is ratification by a government that is not legally recognized and entitled to representation in Congress? And if ratification by a congressionally unrecognized state government is allowed, why can’t an unrecognized state government reject an amendment?

Time to Topple the Fourteenth Amendment - Chronicles

The Fourteenth Amendment is not a beatific and integral part of some mythical “Second Founding.” Indeed, it undermines republican government.

chroniclesmagazine.org

Meanwhile, Trump is doing what you have arms up in the air about. Also, **** your KKK bullshit story.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Really?

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. >>>>>>If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, <<<<<<<<<and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.

A Lincoln

Letter in Reply to Horace Greeley on Slavery and the Union—The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Shouting does not make you right.

It's just rude