The Fourteenth Amendment is blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL - it is being used to destroy our Nation

[uptower]

The Fourteenth Amendemnt is being used by the Socialist Demon Rats and those who hate the US to destroy the union by , inter alia, permitting illegal rampant immigration and reducing the authority of the States

How can the 14A be legit when President Andrew Johnson expressed doubt that the amendment was legitimate because of the Reconstruction process put in place to force and coerce the defeated southern states into ratifying it.

So that's all? He "expressed doubt"?

Tough titties, it's not the president's call. It lies with Congress.

 

[Bodecea]

Really?

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. >>>>>>If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, <<<<<<<<<and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.

A Lincoln

Letter in Reply to Horace Greeley on Slavery and the Union—The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

And? You know that the 14th Amendment was passed after Lincoln was assassinated by Southern traitors.

 

[Bodecea]

Beginning with post #2 up to and including yours I have shown beyond reasonable doubt that the 14A is blatantly Unconstitutional

You haven't shown squat besides your own sad sad ignorance.

 

[phoenix2020]

Go ahead and try to repeal it then

Good luck with that.

I liked his Demon Rat bit. It’s always entertaining to watch MAGA doing their 4th grader impressions, at least from a safe distance. I would have preferred DemoRat personally but, well, at least he didn’t botch the landing with something stupid like Mad Libs or Libruls.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The Fourteenth Amendemnt is being used by the Socialist Demon Rats and those who hate the US to destroy the union by , inter alia, permitting illegal rampant immigration and reducing the authority of the States

How can the 14A be legit when President Andrew Johnson expressed doubt that the amendment was legitimate because of the Reconstruction process put in place to force and coerce the defeated southern states into ratifying it.

In the face of opposition to the Amendment, Congress passed the first Reconstruction Act over President Johnson’s veto. Despite having sent the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Southern states, >>>>>>>Congress declared that no legal government existed there and divided the South into military districts. Martial law was declared even though the war was already over. Congress also disenfranchised millions of white Southern voters. No Southern state would be allowed seats in Congress, the Radicals decreed, absent ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. <<<<<<<<As Attorney Douglas H. Bryant has asked, “Yet what good is ratification by a government that is not legally recognized and entitled to representation in Congress? And if ratification by a congressionally unrecognized state government is allowed, why can’t an unrecognized state government reject an amendment?

Time to Topple the Fourteenth Amendment - Chronicles

The Fourteenth Amendment is not a beatific and integral part of some mythical “Second Founding.” Indeed, it undermines republican government.

chroniclesmagazine.org

The 14th amendment is in fact part of the constitution, according to article V.

This makes you mad, because you don't like brown people being in America.

Tough shit.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Beginning with post #2 up to and including yours I have shown beyond reasonable doubt that the 14A is blatantly Unconstitutional

Look here:

Article V​

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Suck it up.

 

[Cosmo]

The problem isn't the amendment, it's the bad actors on the left letting problems fester in places like sanctuary cities to the point where it can even be abused in significant quantity. You can amend it to say it only applies to births to legal residents, but then leftists can just go ahead and abuse that by granting legal residency en masse when they have power. It's sort of like the second amendment that gets violated by leftist states faster than the US Supreme Court can strike down the bad laws.

 

[Bodecea]

The problem isn't the amendment, it's the bad actors on the left letting problems fester in places like sanctuary cities to the point where it can even be abused in significant quantity. You can amend it to say it only applies to births to legal residents, but then leftists can just go ahead and abuse that by granting legal residency en masse when they have power. It's sort of like the second amendment that gets violated by leftist states faster than the US Supreme Court can strike down the bad laws.

 

[Tigerace117]

The Fourteenth Amendemnt is being used by the Socialist Demon Rats and those who hate the US to destroy the union by , inter alia, permitting illegal rampant immigration and reducing the authority of the States

How can the 14A be legit when President Andrew Johnson expressed doubt that the amendment was legitimate because of the Reconstruction process put in place to force and coerce the defeated southern states into ratifying it.

In the face of opposition to the Amendment, Congress passed the first Reconstruction Act over President Johnson’s veto. Despite having sent the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Southern states, >>>>>>>Congress declared that no legal government existed there and divided the South into military districts. Martial law was declared even though the war was already over. Congress also disenfranchised millions of white Southern voters. No Southern state would be allowed seats in Congress, the Radicals decreed, absent ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. <<<<<<<<As Attorney Douglas H. Bryant has asked, “Yet what good is ratification by a government that is not legally recognized and entitled to representation in Congress? And if ratification by a congressionally unrecognized state government is allowed, why can’t an unrecognized state government reject an amendment?

Time to Topple the Fourteenth Amendment - Chronicles

The Fourteenth Amendment is not a beatific and integral part of some mythical “Second Founding.” Indeed, it undermines republican government.

chroniclesmagazine.org

Gee, sounds like the South shouldn’t have committed treason in hopes of saving slavery.

Seeing as former Confederates immediately began an attempt at an insurgency, they don’t seem to have gotten the message the war was over.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I must accept that I cannot change, have the courage to change what I can, and hope to continue to find wisdom in discerning the difference.

Oh, now I understand. You've got a drinking problem.

 

[Contumacious]

The 14th amendment is in fact part of the constitution, according to article V.

This makes you mad, because you don't like brown people being in America.

Tough shit.

Nonsense

Assuming for argument's sake that the 14A was constitutionallu adopted then it merely reversed the Dred Scott Decision

Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)​

 

[Lursa]

Thank you for proving my point.

You could have stated:

The 14 A is Constitutional because Northerners had the right to use martial Law to force Southerners to adopt an Amendment which had nothing to do with slavery because ....................>>>

I could have but why would I write something that stupid? The North, the federal govt, had the right to stop the South from seceding.

 

[Safiel]

The South instituted a violent treasonous rebellion and got their sorry asses kicked.

The North had every right to strong arm the South into ratifying amendments to protect black citizens.

In hindsight, the North was FAR too conciliatory to the South, especially considering how the South repaid that conciliation between 1865 and 1965.

The North should have dealt FAR more harshly with the South and that should have included the execution of a whole bunch of people. And the traitors should never have been refranchised.

There is nothing for the South to complain about.

The just fruit of treason is death.

The South got off far more lightly than they deserved.

 

[Phys251]

Nonsense

Assuming for argument's sake that the 14A was constitutionallu adopted then i merely reversed the Dred Scott Decision

Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)​

YOU reversed the Dred Scott decision? I had no idea you were a reincarnated SCOTUS justice!

 

[Crakhobarbie]

The Fourteenth Amendemnt is being used by the Socialist Demon Rats and those who hate the US to destroy the union by , inter alia, permitting illegal rampant immigration and reducing the authority of the States

How can the 14A be legit when President Andrew Johnson expressed doubt that the amendment was legitimate because of the Reconstruction process put in place to force and coerce the defeated southern states into ratifying it.

In the face of opposition to the Amendment, Congress passed the first Reconstruction Act over President Johnson’s veto. Despite having sent the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Southern states, >>>>>>>Congress declared that no legal government existed there and divided the South into military districts. Martial law was declared even though the war was already over. Congress also disenfranchised millions of white Southern voters. No Southern state would be allowed seats in Congress, the Radicals decreed, absent ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. <<<<<<<<As Attorney Douglas H. Bryant has asked, “Yet what good is ratification by a government that is not legally recognized and entitled to representation in Congress? And if ratification by a congressionally unrecognized state government is allowed, why can’t an unrecognized state government reject an amendment?

Time to Topple the Fourteenth Amendment - Chronicles

The Fourteenth Amendment is not a beatific and integral part of some mythical “Second Founding.” Indeed, it undermines republican government.

chroniclesmagazine.org

Which part of legislating that states must follow fair procedures when depriving individuals of life, liberty, or property upsets you?

 

[Contumacious]

Gee, sounds like the South shouldn’t have committed treason in hopes of saving slavery.

Seeing as former Confederates immediately began an attempt at an insurgency, they don’t seem to have gotten the message the war was over.

HUH?

“How come the South is said to have fought for slavery when the North wasn’t fighting against slavery?”


Two days before Lincoln’s inauguration as the 16th President, Congress, consisting only of the Northern states, passed overwhelmingly on March 2, 1861, the Corwin Amendment that gave constitutional protection to slavery. Lincoln endorsed the amendment in his inaugural address, saying “I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.”


https://www.lib.niu.edu/2006/ih060934.html

 

[Phys251]

HUH?

“How come the South is said to have fought for slavery when the North wasn’t fighting against slavery?”


Two days before Lincoln’s inauguration as the 16th President, Congress, consisting only of the Northern states, passed overwhelmingly on March 2, 1861, the Corwin Amendment that gave constitutional protection to slavery. Lincoln endorsed the amendment in his inaugural address, saying “I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.”


https://www.lib.niu.edu/2006/ih060934.html

Your big-font, revisionist bullshit has very little to do with the 14th Amendment. The 13th Amendment was the one that ended slavery. Do you remember this lesson in your history class?

 

[Contumacious]

Which part of legislating that states must follow fair procedures when depriving individuals of life, liberty, or property upsets you?

In McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, 403-404 (1819)​

SCOTUS ruled that BEFORE determining whether a particular individual has a right to life, liberty , and property that courts must consider its preamble to determine which benefit accrued to WE THE PEOPLE in terms of

(a) forming a more perfect union,
(b) establishing justice,
(c) insuring domestic tranquillity,

Hence HOW would you answer that question in reference to Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, an El Salvadoran Citizen ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Contumacious]

Your big-font, revisionist bullshit has very little to do with the 14th Amendment. The 13th Amendment was the one that ended slavery. Do you remember this lesson in your history class?

Finally , you raised a good point


If the Civil War was truly about Slavery and the 13A was previously ratified


>>>>>>>>>WHY was it necessary to coerce the Southern States UNDER MARTIAL LAW to adopt the Fourteenth ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm all ears .

 

[Hamish Howl]

Finally , you raised a good point


If the Civil War was truly about Slavery and the 13A was previously ratified


>>>>>>>>>WHY was it necessary to coerce the Southern States UNDER MARTIAL LAW to adopt the Fourteenth ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm all ears .

A little excitable, eh?

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

WHY is forcing the Southern STates to ratify the 14A WHILE THEY UNDER MARTIAL LAW a "bullshit reason" ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Children born here are American.

Traitors, on the other hand, are unamerican.

 

[Phys251]

Finally , you raised a good point


If the Civil War was truly about Slavery and the 13A was previously ratified


>>>>>>>>>WHY was it necessary to coerce the Southern States UNDER MARTIAL LAW to adopt the Fourteenth ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm all ears .

If you had paid attention in your history class, you would know the reason for the 14th Amendment. Read up.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Contumacious]

Children born here are American.

Traitors, on the other hand, are unamerican.

THat's what we have been saying since the treasonous seditious Socialist Demon Rats stole the November 2020 election.

 

[Contumacious]

If you had paid attention in your history class, you would know the reason for the 14th Amendment. Read up.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

WHAT ?

That is PURE UNADULTERATED BULLCRAP

There were free Afro-AMericans in the Northern States , Missouri , etc

The purpose of Reconstruction was to continue the economic plundering of the Southern states for as long as possible, and to establish a national Republican Party political monopoly.

The Consolidation of State Power via Reconstruction: 1865-1890 | Mises Institute

All radical schemes to reconstruct the South entailed some more or less permanent expansion of central state activity and expenditures.

mises.org

 

[Crakhobarbie]

In McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, 403-404 (1819)​

SCOTUS ruled that BEFORE determining whether a particular individual has a right to life, liberty , and property that courts must consider its preamble to determine which benefit accrued to WE THE PEOPLE in terms of

(a) forming a more perfect union,
(b) establishing justice,
(c) insuring domestic tranquillity,

Hence HOW would you answer that question in reference to Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, an El Salvadoran Citizen ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

The benefit to "we the people" is that everyone is afforded the same fair treatment. What you are advocating is that hearsay dictate the level of fair justice folks receive.
And the garbage you're spewing is definitely hearsay because Garcia has no convictions. So, all of the unsubstantiated claims you've been making about him have yet to be proven in a court of law.
And no amount of giant font nonsense can change that.