The Foolish, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Breakfast [W:258]

[Longshot Lou]

READ MORE : The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Breakfast Speech - The Atlantic

People who wonder why the president does not talk more about race would do well to examine the recent blow-up over his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast. Inveighing against the barbarism of ISIS, the president pointed out that it would be foolish to blame Islam, at large, for its atrocities. To make this point he noted that using religion to brutalize other people is neither a Muslim invention nor, in America, a foreign one:

Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.

The "all too often" could just as well be "almost always." There were a fair number of pretexts given for slavery and Jim Crow, but Christianity provided the moral justification. On the cusp of plunging his country into a war that would cost some 750,000 lives, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens paused to offer some explanation. His justification was not secular. ......

Stephens went on to argue that the "Christianization of the barbarous tribes of Africa" could only be accomplished through enslavement. And enslavement was not made possible through Robert's Rules of Order, but through a 250-year reign of mass torture, industrialized murder, and normalized rape—tactics which ISIS would find familiar. Its moral justification was not "because I said so," it was "Providence," "the curse against Canaan," "the Creator," "and Christianization." In just five years, 750,000 Americans died because of this peculiar mission of "Christianization." ....

 

[Longshot Lou]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

[T]he first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society ... With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so.

It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made "one star to differ from another star in glory." The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws.

Alexander Stephens

 

[WCH]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Obama is an radical Islamic apologist. What they are doing is happening TODAY not centuries ago.

 

[Longshot Lou]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Obama is an radical Islamic apologist. What they are doing is happening TODAY not centuries ago.

Slavery ended in the US 150 years ago. Jim Crow, or legalized racial discrimination, ended 50 years ago. George Wallace invoked "Christianity" as a rationale for wanting to stop black students from integrating Alabama schools.

But even in the case of the Crusades, which Obama mentions, so what if it is in the past ? It is an example of the misuse of religion, and shows that Muslims are not the only ones who have done it.

Obama was trying to discourage anti-Muslim bigotry, not defend ISIS.

 

[American]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Slavery ended in the US 150 years ago. Jim Crow, or legalized racial discrimination, ended 50 years ago. George Wallace invoked "Christianity" as a rationale for wanting to stop black students from integrating Alabama schools.

But even in the case of the Crusades, which Obama mentions, so what if it is in the past ? It is an example of the misuse of religion, and shows that Muslims are not the only ones who have done it.

Obama was trying to discourage anti-Muslim bigotry, not defend ISIS.

Oh well, in that case, let's sympathize with them. :roll:

 

[PeteEU]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Obama is an radical Islamic apologist. What they are doing is happening TODAY not centuries ago.

And you then look like a Jim Crow and slavery apologist not to mention a defender of Christian genocide and abuses... /clap.

 

[Longshot Lou]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Oh well, in that case, let's sympathize with them.

You should sympathize with Muslims who are the victims of anti-Muslim bigotry in the US.

 

[nota bene]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Good to know that the Atlantic and Ta-Nehisi Coates are on the job. Ta-Nehisi Coates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Longshot Lou]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Coates is one of the best magazine or newspaper columnists in the country. Period.

 

[nota bene]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

He certainly does have a niche.

Ta-Nehisi Coates defines a new race beat : Columbia Journalism Review

The Racist Housing Policies That Built Ferguson - The Atlantic

The Case for Reparations - The Atlantic

 

[Longshot Lou]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

I suggest you read them.

 

[nota bene]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

How do you know I haven't? I knew who this suckling of the Black Panthers was, didn't I?

 

[Longshot Lou]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Anyone can find out who any public figure is in seconds online.

 

[sangha]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

How do you know I haven't? I knew who this suckling of the Black Panthers was, didn't I?

Yes, the child of someone who was a BP member couldn't be human.

 

[WCH]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

And you then look like a Jim Crow and slavery apologist not to mention a defender of Christian genocide and abuses... /clap.

I wouldn't even dare to compare the atrocities of ISIS to Jim Crow or slavery in general.

This is just some sort of deflection from the POTUS speech.

How many more times will the Left say, "We said this but meant that?"

How many more time will you defend the 'great orator' BHO who so carefully selects his words?

 

[WCH]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

He certainly does have a niche.

Ta-Nehisi Coates defines a new race beat : Columbia Journalism Review

The Racist Housing Policies That Built Ferguson - The Atlantic

The Case for Reparations - The Atlantic

Wonder if he goes to Rev. Wright's church?

 

[WCH]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Is this a Democrat convention from the past?

 

[nota bene]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Yes, the child of someone who was a BP member couldn't be human.

Oh, the hyperbole of it all. :roll:

 

[sangha]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Oh, the hyperbole of it all. :roll:

I know, right?

I wonder when you and the religious nutters will stop spouting it

But to your credit, at least that post gave up on the pitiful attempt at character assassination (based on the ridiculous argument that the son is responsible for the father) in favor of something that relates to the OP (and how it notes the hyperbole of the religious right). Kudos!!

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Slavery ended in the US 150 years ago. Jim Crow, or legalized racial discrimination, ended 50 years ago. George Wallace invoked "Christianity" as a rationale for wanting to stop black students from integrating Alabama schools.

But even in the case of the Crusades, which Obama mentions, so what if it is in the past ? It is an example of the misuse of religion, and shows that Muslims are not the only ones who have done it.

Obama was trying to discourage anti-Muslim bigotry,

not defend ISIS.

Is that an existential threat?

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Good to know that the Atlantic and Ta-Nehisi Coates are on the job. Ta-Nehisi Coates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Coates is one of the best magazine or newspaper columnists in the country. Period.

I think you just disclosed what was previously Undisclosed.

 

[apdst]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

And you then look like a Jim Crow and slavery apologist not to mention a defender of Christian genocide and abuses... /clap.

Who fought to abolish all that? I'll give you a clue: it wasn't Muslims.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

Who fought to abolish all that? I'll give you a clue: it wasn't Muslims.

The answer is: liberal progressives.

 

[apdst]

Re: The Foolish, Historically Illiterate, Incredible Response to Obama's Prayer Break

The answer is: liberal progressives.

Lol...right! The only thing Liberals did was re-invent the wheel. Margaret Sanger was a Liberal.

The abolitionists of the 19th Century were Christians. It was Christians who did away with Jim Crow.