The FLOOD of Noah and the growing evidence.

[LittleNipper]

Must be? Says who?

It’s hilarious how the answers to questions like this is always just making some nonsensical s - - t up out of thin air and pretending it makes sense.

Shame you don't study the Bible, so how would you know?

 

[Deuce]

Presently we live in the AGE of GRACE; however, this will not continue forever. Judgement is coming ----- as it did at the time of the FLOOD, for Sodom, and eventually this entire planet during the Great Tribulation, and the Final Judgment Day.
People love to bring up the poor innocent babies; however, was Adolf Hitler and HIS gang not once cute little babies? GOD is all knowing, and already knows what we will do with our futures. Now concerning the Amalekites ---- GOD ultimately knew how they would infect the nation of Israel. They were idol worshipers, and as such they would cause many to stray from GOD and end up in hell. Consider the following: https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

And frankly, this is yet another reason to believe that HELL is s place of eternal torment for those that reject GOD. If individuals simply went to a place of eternal sleep ----- why would GOD be so harsh to cut out the cancers? GOD knows the true meaning of eternal separation from GOD, and HE wishes to save everyone from that end. But HE knows that many simply do not care and will reject HIM and want nothing to do with HIM.

God is going to commit genocide again? And you still think he's the good guy?

 

[Gordy327]

God is going to commit genocide again? And you still think he's the good guy?

Sycophants are going to sycophant, right?

 

[Threegoofs]

What would that have solved/accomplished? Would it demonstrate who has the right to rule mankind or would it demonstrate who is more powerful? Satan did not challenge God's power to rule mankind in the garden, he challenged God's right to rule/who knows what is best for mankind, Satan or God...such a challenge takes time to prove/play out...looks like Satan is failing miserably, doesn't it?

So Satan is around cause its fun for god to have a challenge?

Your god is a real asshole. I'd get a new one if I were you.

 

[Grand Mal]

Shame you don't study the Bible, so how would you know?

Might have come up in this very long thread, but I was wondering where all that water came from, and where it went to.
I wonder too about God stopping the rotation of the earth when Joshua was at Jericho. Everything I read about that says it would be globally catastrophic.

 

[Gordy327]

So Satan is around cause its fun for god to have a challenge?

Your god is a real asshole. I'd get a new one if I were you.

I dont bother with any gods. They're more trouble than they're worth.

 

[Daisy]

o Satan is around cause its fun for god to have a challenge?

No, but He is willing to answer a challenge rather than ignore it so His sovereignty will never be questioned again...

 

[LittleNipper]

Might have come up in this very long thread, but I was wondering where all that water came from, and where it went to.
I wonder too about God stopping the rotation of the earth when Joshua was at Jericho. Everything I read about that says it would be globally catastrophic.

The water likely came from inside the earth. Genesis 7:11-12 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights

There is also the indication that the earth was once surrounded by some sort of canopy. This would have limited the amount of ultraviolet light hitting the earth. In Genesis 7 there is also the indication that rather than extremely high mountains, there were large hills Genesis 7:17-20 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Again, rather than oceans, there was a shallower sea. Think in terms of something like the Great Lakes and the Mediterranean . SO, what may have happened was that the earth's crust was ruptured in some way ----- likely an asteroid or more. The water within the earth erupted and shot into the atmosphere and rained down upon the earth covering the earth over a 40 day period. The LORD eventually, brought a wind to dry the land. Genesis 8:1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded, and apparently began a revamping of the earth's surface, creating mountains and valleys.
Psalm 104: 1-9

Praise the Lord, my soul.
Lord my God, you are very great;
you are clothed with splendor and majesty.
2 The Lord wraps himself in light as with a garment;
he stretches out the heavens like a tent
3 and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters.
He makes the clouds his chariot
and rides on the wings of the wind.
4 He makes winds his messengers,
flames of fire his servants.
5 He set the earth on its foundations;
it can never be moved.
6 You covered it with the watery depths as with a garment;
the waters stood above the mountains.
7 But at your rebuke the waters fled,
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;
8 they flowed over the mountains,
they went down into the valleys,
to the place you assigned for them.
9 You set a boundary they cannot cross;
never again will they cover the earth.

! Chronicles 1:19
19 Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
( "Peleg" means "division" or "dividing canal" in Hebrew)

So, a relatively flat earth with hills and some high hills. At some point valleys and basins were formed for where the water would drain and greater mountains pushed up. Most of the earth is covered with water --- approx. 70%. And the ocean has areas that are 7 miles deep. So in fact, the Flood Waters are still here. It is likely that the wind was the beginning of the Ice Age, and would have formed ice sheets and also would have removed water depth.

 

[Gordy327]

The water likely came from inside the earth. Genesis 7:11-12 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights

There is also the indication that the earth was once surrounded by some sort of canopy. This would have limited the amount of ultraviolet light hitting the earth. In Genesis 7 there is also the indication that rather than extremely high mountains, there were large hills Genesis 7:17-20 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Again, rather than oceans, there was a shallower sea. Think in terms of something like the Great Lakes and the Mediterranean . SO, what may have happened was that the earth's crust was ruptured in some way ----- likely an asteroid or more. The water within the earth erupted and shot into the atmosphere and rained down upon the earth covering the earth over a 40 day period. The LORD eventually, brought a wind to dry the land. Genesis 8:1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded, and apparently began a revamping of the earth's surface, creating mountains and valleys.
Psalm 104: 1-9

Praise the Lord, my soul.
Lord my God, you are very great;
you are clothed with splendor and majesty.
2 The Lord wraps himself in light as with a garment;
he stretches out the heavens like a tent
3 and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters.
He makes the clouds his chariot
and rides on the wings of the wind.
4 He makes winds his messengers,
flames of fire his servants.
5 He set the earth on its foundations;
it can never be moved.
6 You covered it with the watery depths as with a garment;
the waters stood above the mountains.
7 But at your rebuke the waters fled,
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;
8 they flowed over the mountains,
they went down into the valleys,
to the place you assigned for them.
9 You set a boundary they cannot cross;
never again will they cover the earth.

! Chronicles 1:19
19 Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
( "Peleg" means "division" or "dividing canal" in Hebrew)

So, a relatively flat earth with hills and some high hills. At some point valleys and basins were formed for where the water would drain and greater mountains pushed up. Most of the earth is covered with water --- approx. 70%. And the ocean has areas that are 7 miles deep. So in fact, the Flood Waters are still here. It is likely that the wind was the beginning of the Ice Age, and would have formed ice sheets and also would have removed water depth.

The earth's crust is rock, below which is the molten mantle. While aquafiers are present in the crust, there is not enough cumulative water present to cover the planet. Why do some theists ignore science in favor of dogma? It boggles the mind.

 

[Revelation]

The earth's crust is rock, below which is the molten mantle. While aquafiers are present in the crust, there is not enough cumulative water present to cover the planet.

easy peasy. God created the Universe, he sure knows how to create water.

next easy question please...

Why do some theists ignore science in favor of dogma? It boggles the mind.

doesn't boggle my mind, think bigger: think God sized thoughts.

it doesn't matter to me whether Jonah got swallowed by the whale or if Jonah swallowed the whale. God said it and i believe it, settled forever.

i don't understand everything and don't need to; Eternity is long, and i am a student with notebook in hand. in Heaven we will have improved minds and personalities, perhaps no limitations of intellect such as when we were earth dwelling creatures.


Gordy, that should be motivation enough to come Live with us Forever in heaven. all expenses paid with forever joy.

this is a Limited Time opportunity with Zero Days on the calendar friends. blessings.


.

 

[Revelation]

The earth's crust is rock, below which is the molten mantle. While aquafiers are present in the crust, there is not enough cumulative water present to cover the planet. Why do some theists ignore science in favor of dogma? It boggles the mind.

for those of you who have an Interest in science, Gord's response highlights why science can only answer Natural Questions.

Science will never touch the Super Natural because it is outside of the Expertise of such observation. therefore we need NEW methods when dealing with God and theology.

i suggest Fasting and Prayer.

God wants to communicate with you, throw in a child like faith and go with that. on Sunday find a real Bible church heading for the Mourner's Bench with anguish/repentance of heart till you meet with God.

no Scientific Instrument of ANY kind can help you with your separation from God because of our errant ways. start and end yur day with God, prayer, obedience and bible.

then Enjoy heaven forever with us.


...oops almost forgot the Cartoon to help you come to faith.


blessings. Zero days.

.

 

[Michael Cole]

The water likely came from inside the earth. Genesis 7:11-12 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights

There is also the indication that the earth was once surrounded by some sort of canopy.

This would have limited the amount of ultraviolet light hitting the earth. In Genesis 7 there is also the indication that rather than extremely high mountains, there were large hills Genesis 7:17-20 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.


Again, rather than oceans, there was a shallower sea. Think in terms of something like the Great Lakes and the Mediterranean . SO, what may have happened was that the earth's crust was ruptured in some way ----- likely an asteroid or more. The water within the earth erupted and shot into the atmosphere and rained down upon the earth covering the earth over a 40 day period. The LORD eventually, brought a wind to dry the land. Genesis 8:1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded, and apparently began a revamping of the earth's surface, creating mountains and valleys.
Psalm 104: 1-9

Praise the Lord, my soul.
Lord my God, you are very great;
you are clothed with splendor and majesty.
2 The Lord wraps himself in light as with a garment;
he stretches out the heavens like a tent
3 and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters.
He makes the clouds his chariot
and rides on the wings of the wind.
4 He makes winds his messengers,
flames of fire his servants.
5 He set the earth on its foundations;
it can never be moved.
6 You covered it with the watery depths as with a garment;
the waters stood above the mountains.
7 But at your rebuke the waters fled,
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;
8 they flowed over the mountains,
they went down into the valleys,
to the place you assigned for them.
9 You set a boundary they cannot cross;
never again will they cover the earth.

! Chronicles 1:19
19 Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan.
( "Peleg" means "division" or "dividing canal" in Hebrew)

So, a relatively flat earth with hills and some high hills. At some point valleys and basins were formed for where the water would drain and greater mountains pushed up. Most of the earth is covered with water --- approx. 70%. And the ocean has areas that are 7 miles deep. So in fact, the Flood Waters are still here. It is likely that the wind was the beginning of the Ice Age, and would have formed ice sheets and also would have removed water depth.

 

[tosca1]

This was given in another thread. I think this is the appropriate place to respond to it:

Not to mention 8 people is not enough for a viable population. Its the same reason the Adam & Eve story fails, among other reasons.

Can we really go from Noah’s family—just 8 people after the flood—to a world with over 8 billion people today? Some say it’s impossible without tens of thousands of years.
But when we apply a simple population growth model, the numbers tell a different story—one that actually supports the biblical timeline.

The Math Behind the Model​

We can model population growth using a basic exponential formula: P=P0⋅2(t/d)

• P: Final population
• P0: Initial population (8)
• t: Time in years (e.g., 4,118 years from 2348 BC to around 2025 AD)
• d: Doubling time in years

Let’s plug in some numbers: 8⋅2(4118/82)≈8,000,000,000


This assumes a doubling every 82 years—a rate well within the bounds of historical population studies.
Earlier generations may have doubled slower (due to survival struggles), and modern times have seen much faster growth, so this average is incredibly realistic.

The Problem with Evolutionary Timelines​

If humans have been around for even 50,000 years, and we assume any consistent population growth, the math quickly gets out of control. Even a doubling every 1,000 years would result in a population far exceeding what Earth could sustain—numbers in the trillions.


But history and archaeology don’t show this. Instead, civilizations show up suddenly and in full form, just as the Bible describes after the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11).

What This Means for Believers​

This model isn’t just interesting—it’s faith-affirming. It shows how science and Scripture can align when we start from the Bible as truth and build models from there.


The explosion of humanity makes sense if:

• The flood was real.
• Noah’s family repopulated the Earth.
• God’s design for human multiplication (Genesis 1:28) has been faithfully unfolding.

And most importantly, it reminds us that the Bible is not a myth—it’s historically and mathematically consistent with the world we see around us.

How 8 People Became 8 Billion: A Biblical Population Model That Makes Sense

Explore a biblical population model explaining how 8 people grew to 8 billion, making sense of Scripture and science together.

faithandformulas.com

 

[Michael Cole]

This was given in another thread. I think this is the appropriate place to respond to it:







Can we really go from Noah’s family—just 8 people after the flood—to a world with over 8 billion people today? Some say it’s impossible without tens of thousands of years.
But when we apply a simple population growth model, the numbers tell a different story—one that actually supports the biblical timeline.

The Math Behind the Model​

We can model population growth using a basic exponential formula: P=P0⋅2(t/d)

• P: Final population
• P0: Initial population (8)
• t: Time in years (e.g., 4,118 years from 2348 BC to around 2025 AD)
• d: Doubling time in years

Let’s plug in some numbers: 8⋅2(4118/82)≈8,000,000,000


This assumes a doubling every 82 years—a rate well within the bounds of historical population studies.
Earlier generations may have doubled slower (due to survival struggles), and modern times have seen much faster growth, so this average is incredibly realistic.

​

The Problem with Evolutionary Timelines

If humans have been around for even 50,000 years, and we assume any consistent population growth, the math quickly gets out of control. Even a doubling every 1,000 years would result in a population far exceeding what Earth could sustain—numbers in the trillions.

Human population didn't double in the time frames claimed. Life doesn't operate on a schedule. We don't reproduce according to a mathematical formula. Piss poor "work" you've latched onto.

You're being lied to.

But history and archaeology don’t show this. Instead, civilizations show up suddenly and in full form,

More lies.

Archeology shows people moving to the Nile Valley after Northern Africa's most recent bout with an arid climate. Archeology shows these people to first be nomadic hunter-gatherers who turned to agriculture (possibly learned from Mesopotamia), became sedentary, and developed an advanced civilization long before the story of Moses. Look up "Naqada" and "Badarian."

Archeology shows us this. Archeology shows us human social evolution as biology shows us the process behind speciation.

Don't believe the lies.

just as the Bible describes after the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11).

What This Means for Believers​

This model isn’t just interesting—it’s faith-affirming. It shows how science and Scripture can align when we start from the Bible as truth and build models from there.


The explosion of humanity makes sense if:

• The flood was real.
• Noah’s family repopulated the Earth.
• God’s design for human multiplication (Genesis 1:28) has been faithfully unfolding.

And most importantly, it reminds us that the Bible is not a myth—it’s historically and mathematically consistent with the world we see around us.

How 8 People Became 8 Billion: A Biblical Population Model That Makes Sense

Explore a biblical population model explaining how 8 people grew to 8 billion, making sense of Scripture and science together.

faithandformulas.com

 

[tosca1]

Human population didn't double in the time frames claimed. Life doesn't operate on a schedule. We don't reproduce according to a mathematical formula. Piss poor "work" you've latched onto.

You're being lied to.


More lies.

Archeology shows people moving to the Nile Valley after Northern Africa's most recent bout with an arid climate. Archeology shows these people to first be nomadic hunter-gatherers who turned to agriculture (possibly learned from Mesopotamia), became sedentary, and developed an advanced civilization long before the story of Moses. Look up "Naqada" and "Badarian."

Archeology shows us this. Archeology shows us human social evolution as biology shows us the process behind speciation.

Don't believe the lies.

Hahaha....I suppose that came as a shock to you.


You need sometime to reflect.


Wait till I remind you what it says about EVOLUTION timeline!

 

[Michael Cole]

Hahaha....I suppose that came as a shock to you.

This is my shocked face.

Do you see it?

No, madam tosca, I fully expect your posts to be filled with lies any smart 5th grader would detect.

Humans aren't bacteria. We don't reproduce according to a mathematical formula. Duh!

You're being lied to, and now, you're spreading those lies. What does the Bible say about lying?

 

[Gordy327]

This was given in another thread. I think this is the appropriate place to respond to it:







Can we really go from Noah’s family—just 8 people after the flood—to a world with over 8 billion people today? Some say it’s impossible without tens of thousands of years.
But when we apply a simple population growth model, the numbers tell a different story—one that actually supports the biblical timeline.

The Math Behind the Model​

We can model population growth using a basic exponential formula: P=P0⋅2(t/d)

• P: Final population
• P0: Initial population (8)
• t: Time in years (e.g., 4,118 years from 2348 BC to around 2025 AD)
• d: Doubling time in years

Let’s plug in some numbers: 8⋅2(4118/82)≈8,000,000,000


This assumes a doubling every 82 years—a rate well within the bounds of historical population studies.
Earlier generations may have doubled slower (due to survival struggles), and modern times have seen much faster growth, so this average is incredibly realistic.

Looks like religious apologetics "math," which also ignores rates of genetic drifting, genetic bottlenecking, and post cataclysm decimation of the planet.

The Problem with Evolutionary Timelines​

If humans have been around for even 50,000 years, and we assume any consistent population growth, the math quickly gets out of control. Even a doubling every 1,000 years would result in a population far exceeding what Earth could sustain—numbers in the trillions.


But history and archaeology don’t show this. Instead, civilizations show up suddenly and in full form, just as the Bible describes after the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11).

Homo sapiens have been around for approximately 300,000 years.

What This Means for Believers​

It means they delude themselves!

 

[LittleNipper]

We don't even have to go back to the time of the FLOOD to witness how fast the population can recover. The Black Plague that ravaged all of Europe and the entire world is estimated to have killed 1/3 to 50% or the earth's population in the 14th century. In this case we are talking of merely about 500 years with devastating wars and famines in between then and now! If there is one thing humans can do quickly is propagate ---- especially when they have nothing better to do.

 

[tosca1]

Looks like religious apologetics "math,"

It proved you wrong............didn't it?

 

[tosca1]

Homo sapiens have been around for approximately 300,000 years.

The Problem with Evolutionary Timelines​

If humans have been around for even 50,000 years, and we assume any consistent population growth, the math quickly gets out of control. Even a doubling every 1,000 years would result in a population far exceeding what Earth could sustain—numbers in the trillions.



You say 300,000?
It should be even more than trillions!

Why aren't we in the trillions? At the very least?

 

[Michael Cole]

We don't even have to go back to the time of the FLOOD to witness how fast the population can recover. The Black Plague that ravaged all of Europe and the entire world is estimated to have killed 1/3 to 50% or the earth's population in the 14th century. In this case we are talking of merely about 500 years with devastating wars and famines in between then and now! If there is one thing humans can do quickly is propagate ---- especially when they have nothing better to do.

How has world population growth changed over time?

The world population has increased rapidly in recent centuries. But this is slowing.

ourworldindata.org

 

[tosca1]

It means they delude themselves!

You're the one who's got nothing to offer. And you can't answer questions.

Instead, you bury your head in the sand.....like as if your dilemma will go away!





Who's deluded?

 

[tosca1]

How has world population growth changed over time?

The world population has increased rapidly in recent centuries. But this is slowing.

ourworldindata.org

You're so missing the point.

The Problem with Evolutionary Timelines​

If humans have been around for even 50,000 years, and we assume any consistent population growth, the math quickly gets out of control.
Even a doubling every 1,000 years would result in a population far exceeding what Earth could sustain—numbers in the trillions.



here's the question:




WHY AREN'T WE IN THE TRILLIONS?

 

[Michael Cole]

Looks like religious apologetics "math," which also ignores rates of genetic drifting, genetic bottlenecking, and post cataclysm decimation of the planet.

Homo sapiens have been around for approximately 300,000 years.

It means they delude themselves!

It's a deluge of delusion. <<-- literal translation

 

[Michael Cole]

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I'd ask you to look in the mirror, and ask the reflection for the true reason you lost on "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?"

Any other questions?