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The first legal slave owner in America was a Black Man (1 Viewer)

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There were slaves in the Americas long before 1655.....

African Slaves had been in the New World since at least 1501 when they were brought to modern day Brazil. But since this image is surely meant to use the 13 British Colonies, and not the United States of America, I will use them. I’m quite sure it wasn’t supposed to mean the United States of America, since in 1789 when it officially became a nation (When the Articles of Confederation were superseded by the ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America) there were almost 700,000 slaves here already, and many laws had codified slavery, and some states had already abolished slavery by this point.

Slavery in the Colonies started nearly as soon as the colonies themselves, and information regarding these colonies is difficult to find due to so much being lost over the years and so much not documented to begin with. Slavery was first codified in 1641 in the Colonies. I will only write about slaves and slave laws that took place before 1655, the year mentioned in this image that case of Anthony Johnson vs Robert Parker happened.


Article goes on to blast this nonsense out of the water,

Was the First Slave Owner African American?
 
Clue to you: That's Bull ****.

In addition to being a landowner, Anthony Johnson was also a slaveholder. Court records reveal that Johnson won a 1655 case against white planter, Robert Parker, to retain ownership of Johnson’s slave, John Casor. Casor, with the help of Robert Parker, tried to claim that he was an indentured servant, not a slave. Although the courts initially found in Parker’s favor, temporarily freeing Casor, they subsequently reversed the decision, returning Casor to the service of his master, Anthony Johnson. -

See more at: Johnson, Anthony (? ? 1670) | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed
 
In addition to being a landowner, Anthony Johnson was also a slaveholder. Court records reveal that Johnson won a 1655 case against white planter, Robert Parker, to retain ownership of Johnson’s slave, John Casor. Casor, with the help of Robert Parker, tried to claim that he was an indentured servant, not a slave. Although the courts initially found in Parker’s favor, temporarily freeing Casor, they subsequently reversed the decision, returning Casor to the service of his master, Anthony Johnson. -

See more at: Johnson, Anthony (? ? 1670) | The Black Past: Remembered and Reclaimed

Still not the first slave owner.....
 
I've been through this about a thousand times with idiot consters.

Don't even try. You will lose.
 
The “first slave” – the case of John Casor

On 8 March 1655, John Casor of Virginia became the first person to be legally declared a slave for life.

Johnson v Parker

But Johnson had a change of mind and decided not to let the matter rest. He took the case to the County Court of Northampton County, Virginia, claiming that Parker had taken his “negro servant” and declaring that, by rights, “Thee had ye Negro for his life.”

On 8 March 1655, the Court found in Johnson’s favour, and demanded that Parker return Casor to his original owner and pay damages.

Lifelong slave

John Casor was duly returned to Johnson and, as a result, became the first man in the North American colonies to be legally classed as a lifelong slave, and, consequently, made Johnson the first legally recognised slave holder in American history, setting the precedent for lifelong slavery. Casor did indeed remain in Johnson’s service until his death.

The "first slave" - the case of John Casor - History in an HourHistory in an Hour


first man in the North American colonies to be legally classed as a lifelong slave, and, consequently, made Johnson the first legally recognised slave holder in American history

You just lost!
 
Hey, bucko - Slavery was legalized in Massachusetts in 1641.

There were laws regarding fugitive slaves there in the 1630's.

Do the math. 1630's is earlier than 1655.

Johnson's 1656 case "was the first instance of a judicial determination in the Thirteen Colonies holding that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life."

John Punch is considered by historians to be the very first official slave.

"In July 1640, the Virginia Governor's Council sentenced him to serve for the remainder of his life as punishment for running away to Maryland."

Hugh Gwyn was his master.

John Punch (slave) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://blackamericaweb.com/2012/07/3...ct-john-punch/

And curiously enough -- Obama descends from this very first slave in America!

Howzaboutthat?
 
The “first slave” – the case of John Casor

On 8 March 1655, John Casor of Virginia became the first person to be legally declared a slave for life.

Johnson v Parker

But Johnson had a change of mind and decided not to let the matter rest. He took the case to the County Court of Northampton County, Virginia, claiming that Parker had taken his “negro servant” and declaring that, by rights, “Thee had ye Negro for his life.”

On 8 March 1655, the Court found in Johnson’s favour, and demanded that Parker return Casor to his original owner and pay damages.

Lifelong slave

John Casor was duly returned to Johnson and, as a result, became the first man in the North American colonies to be legally classed as a lifelong slave, and, consequently, made Johnson the first legally recognised slave holder in American history, setting the precedent for lifelong slavery. Casor did indeed remain in Johnson’s service until his death.

The "first slave" - the case of John Casor - History in an HourHistory in an Hour


first man in the North American colonies to be legally classed as a lifelong slave, and, consequently, made Johnson the first legally recognised slave holder in American history

You just lost!



“The first slave owner in America was black.”

Is it true?: It depends on how you parse the timeline. Anthony Johnson, the black ex–indentured servant whose bio opened the first episode of our podcast, did sue to hold John Casor for life in 1653, and the resulting civil court decision remanding Casor to Johnson’s ownership was (as historian R. Halliburton Jr. writes) “one of the first known legal sanctions of slavery” in the colonies. That phrase—“one of”—is crucial. The ship Desire brought a cargo of Africans from Barbados to Boston in 1634; these people were sold as slaves. In 1640 John Punch, a runaway servant of African descent, was sentenced to lifelong slavery in Virginia, while the two European-born companions who fled with him had their indentures extended. In 1641, the passage of the Body of Liberties provided legal sanction for the slave trade in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. (N.B.: The image in the meme above isn’t of Anthony Johnson. There were no photographers in 17th-century Virginia.)

Ummm

No

Slavery myths: Seven lies, half-truths, and irrelevancies people trot out about slavery—debunked.
 
The only thing that matters is if the slaves he owned were white. :lol:
 
As people have pointed out repeatedly, he was not the first to own slaves. However, I have a better question for you: why do you think it matters one bit?

you are right it dont matter that blacks owned slaves and still do

it don't matter that cops kill more whites than blacks

it don't matter that blacks commit 52 per cent of of all murders in this country yet they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population
 
you are right it dont matter that blacks owned slaves and still do

it don't matter that cops kill more whites than blacks

it don't matter that blacks commit 52 per cent of of all murders in this country yet they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population

So you are not going to answer the question. You prefer to try and build straw men. If you are unable to defend your views, why even make stupid threads like this?
 
you are right it dont matter that blacks owned slaves and still do

it don't matter that cops kill more whites than blacks

it don't matter that blacks commit 52 per cent of of all murders in this country yet they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population

^ alt-right, blossoming.
 
If it weren't for Trump, these people would have remained under the cushions with the lost bic pens and dirty bits of food where they belong.
 
you are right it dont matter that blacks owned slaves and still do

it don't matter that cops kill more whites than blacks

it don't matter that blacks commit 52 per cent of of all murders in this country yet they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population

You really can't stay on topic can you? This is the second thread - both of which you started by the way - that you've gone careening way off topic.
 

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