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The Fight Against White Nationalism Is Different

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The Fight Against White Nationalism Is Different

The fight against ISIS offers some lessons—but also a cautionary tale on U.S. failures to combat an ideology.

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During the war with the Islamic State, I sometimes heard U.S. officials and analysts express something like relief that the group had declared a “caliphate” with recognizable borders in Syria and Iraq, even flying its flag atop Mosul’s historic Great Mosque of al-Nuri. A state was something the U.S. military could take away. An ideology is much harder to defeat. That’s the problem America faces as it grapples with the threat of white-nationalist terrorism today. Against ISIS, America deployed drones, proxy armies, and hundreds upon hundreds of air strikes. The extremist protostate that once controlled millions of people is dead. The ideology that inspired ISIS, however, remains alive. Last weekend’s shooting in El Paso, Texas, in which a gunman targeting Hispanic immigrants killed 22 people at a Walmart, is the latest in a series of painful reminders that Americans are under attack by adherents of another extremist ideology. U.S. authorities were quick to label it an act of domestic terrorism, amid a growing chorus of voices calling for Islamist and white-nationalist extremism to be treated as similar threats. “FBI classifies it as domestic terrorism, but ‘white terrorism’ is more precise. Experts who have focused on both types of extremism—Islamist and white nationalist—tell me that a fundamental change in the way America views the latter would indeed help combat it, freeing up law-enforcement resources to address the growing problem.

FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress last month that the bureau made about 100 domestic-terrorism arrests in the past nine months, putting it on pace to surpass the total from the previous year, and that the majority of the suspects were motivated by white supremacism. Since 9/11, far-right extremists have killed more people on American soil than Islamist terrorists have. Attacks such as the one in El Paso mirror the sort of ISIS attack that became more common as its caliphate deteriorated. Whereas ISIS operatives once planned and coordinated attacks such as those in Paris in 2015 and Brussels in 2016, it eventually grew more dependent on random acts of violence by so-called lone wolves inspired by the group’s ideology. These relatively unsophisticated atrocities—driving a truck into a crowd, for example, or shooting up an Orlando nightclub—paled in comparison to the type of terrorist operations with which Americans became familiar on 9/11. But they were effective at making the threat seem like it could come from anyone, anytime, and at turning people’s suspicions on one another. Part of ISIS’s goal was to provoke civil strife in Western countries by turning Muslims and non-Muslims against one another. But even as ISIS fades from the concerns of many Americans, a wider unrest seems only to be intensifying in U.S. society.

US society, Congress, and US law enforcement agencies have to re-examine the ideology of white terrorism and put forward methodologies to curtail this growing and deadly scourge.

Related: White supremacy and white nationalism explained by experts
 
The Fight Against White Nationalism Is Different

The fight against ISIS offers some lessons—but also a cautionary tale on U.S. failures to combat an ideology.

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US society, Congress, and US law enforcement agencies have to re-examine the ideology of white terrorism and put forward methodologies to curtail this growing and deadly scourge.

Related: White supremacy and white nationalism explained by experts

Take the "white" out of it and deal with domestic terrorism...no matter who is perpetrating it. That means...supremacy of any color, Antifa, BLM, Nazi, environmental nutjobs...anyone who would use violence against people and property should be stomped on by local and federal law enforcement.
 
Take the "white" out of it and deal with domestic terrorism...no matter who is perpetrating it. That means...supremacy of any color, Antifa, BLM, Nazi, environmental nutjobs...anyone who would use violence against people and property should be stomped on by local and federal law enforcement.

That (bolded above) is the problem since we require that arrest, criminal charges and conviction of those charges precede that "stomping". Otherwise, you are simply asking for a police state.
 
That (bolded above) is the problem since we require that arrest, criminal charges and conviction of those charges precede that "stomping". Otherwise, you are simply asking for a police state.

That (bolded above) is what I meant by "stomping".

I'm not asking for a police state. I'm asking for law enforcement.
 
Take the "white" out of it and deal with domestic terrorism...no matter who is perpetrating it. That means...supremacy of any color, Antifa, BLM, Nazi, environmental nutjobs...anyone who would use violence against people and property should be stomped on by local and federal law enforcement.

Though that might make sense but when was the last time the BLM and Antifa killed anyone?
 
Though that might make sense but when was the last time the BLM and Antifa killed anyone?

Prepare yourself for massive amounts of danger close poo flinging.
 
That (bolded above) is what I meant by "stomping".

I'm not asking for a police state. I'm asking for law enforcement.

I agree but if 12M (to 20M?) illegal immigrants 'fell through the cracks' I would imagine that quite a few white nationalist folks could do so as well. It is no secret that millions are white nationalists or street/motorcycle gang members - the problem is having sufficient evidence to convict them of some specific criminal act.
 
Though that might make sense but when was the last time the BLM and Antifa killed anyone?

Killing is not required to meet the definition of terrorism...
 
The question is, are we afraid of Antifa and BLM? So how can they be considered terrorists if there's no acts of terrorism designed to make people live in fear? Antifa members and the white supremacists/Nazis live to fight each other.

When these people are shutting down traffic and businesses, wearing black masks and being in the midst of violence or burning buildings... yeah, we are all a little afraid... not of being attacked for no reason but for being confronted and possibly attacked for speaking our mind... for fear that our freedom of speech is going to be attacked by those that feel that their speech is the only kind that should be accepted... hell, just look at lots of these assholes here at DP. Don't say what they think is ok and they call you a racist. Nobody should be out there doing what they are doing. They are terrorists and hopefully they are classified as such.
 
When these people are shutting down traffic and businesses, wearing black masks and being in the midst of violence or burning buildings... yeah, we are all a little afraid... not of being attacked for no reason but for being confronted and possibly attacked for speaking our mind... for fear that our freedom of speech is going to be attacked by those that feel that their speech is the only kind that should be accepted... hell, just look at lots of these assholes here at DP. Don't say what they think is ok and they call you a racist. Nobody should be out there doing what they are doing. They are terrorists and hopefully they are classified as such.

So you were there? I guess some people are afraid because of how the media portrays them. Not me. I don't let the media tell me what to think or who to be afraid of.
Remember this?

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It's rather odd that these Senators do not have a similar initiative for neo-Nazi/white nationalist groups.

No not really odd. It's partisan politics from the folks that bring us Steve King.

White Nationalism should also be Terrorist...
 
The question is, are we afraid of Antifa and BLM? So how can they be considered terrorists if there's no acts of terrorism designed to make people live in fear? Antifa members and the white supremacists/Nazis live to fight each other.

I'm not afraid of any of them. Does that mean that terrorists don't exist?
 
Right, but we aren't talking about the ME. Are we?

We talking about terrorists. Are you concerned that you or others will be killed by Antifa or BLM? Why or why not?
 
Right, but we aren't talking about the ME. Are we?

We talking about terrorists. Are you concerned that you or others will be killed by Antifa or BLM? Why or why not?
 
Note the shift from "White Supremacist" to "White Nationalist". This is a conscious effort by the liberal party, filtered through the media and parroted by liberal lackeys.

The fight against ISIS offers some lessons—but also a cautionary tale on U.S. failures to combat an ideology.

You got that right.
 
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