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The fear of not being racist enough

I wouldn't expend any effort trying to suss out meaning from random babblings. You'd have more success deciphering hieroglyphs or cuneiform. Then, though, you'd at least have the Rosetta stone to assist you.
 
You do realize that both BLM and MLK's civil rights movement officially condemned violent action, right? The civil rights movement was WAY more violent than BLM.

So in 6 days in ONE city, about twice as many people died as did from the violence that happened at BLM riots...which took place across the country and lasted months. Anyone who says they would have supported civil rights in the 60s but condemns the entire BLM movement by hyperfixating on the violence instead of the issues that led to it is lying to themselves.

King even made a statement about the importance of focusing on the issues that cause rioting instead of delegitimizing the movement by focusing on the violence.

King was a man with conviction. He had a vision but he knew all were guilty in some way. He recognized the good and the bad and he condemned and praised those things regardless of who.
 
You do realize that both BLM and MLK's civil rights movement officially condemned violent action, right? The civil rights movement was WAY more violent than BLM.

So in 6 days in ONE city, about twice as many people died as did from the violence that happened at BLM riots...which took place across the country and lasted months. Anyone who says they would have supported civil rights in the 60s but condemns the entire BLM movement by hyperfixating on the violence instead of the issues that led to it is lying to themselves.

King even made a statement about the importance of focusing on the issues that cause rioting instead of delegitimizing the movement by focusing on the violence.

Do you believe that Black Americans of the 21st century are as thoroughly downtrodden as were the Black Americans of the 1960s?

Just to spell it out, if the answer is no, then the violence of the Summer of Hate might just be disproportionate to the actual social situation.
 
Oh, spare us this garbage. You guys on the left throw around your ugly accusations just because someone disagrees with, and has a different political philosophy than you do. Conservatives believe in Martin Luther King's approach of seeing merit rather than color. For the left, that is out of style because they've adopted the BLM approach that is more in line with the Black Panthers than MLK. That does not make Republicans racist. The Republicans freed the slaves, more Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act, Biden's old friend Bull Connor was a Democrat, etc. etc. It's the Democrats who don't think black people can stand on their own two feet, it's not the Republicans. You guys playing the race card all the time is beyond worn out.

As for Jackson, how many Democrat votes do Republican nominated Supreme Court justices get? Republicans didn't vote for her because she will likely act as a radical leftist activist judge - the exact reason Biden nominated her, and the exact reason Democrats voted for her.

As for Fox, CNN and MSNBC spew much more hate and outright lies that poison the country and divide us further. The right has not moved much in the past 60 years, but the left keeps moving further and further and further to the left. If you are honest, you will admit that.

MLK was declared a “communist troublemaker” dozens of times by conservatives of his day. Spare us the posturing.

The Republican Party has wholeheartedly embraced the Confederate flag, so sorry, you don’t get to play the civil war card.
 
The problem for the GOP, there party is shrinking, they have not won the popular vote in a Presidential election since 2004.

Though the GOP leadership are aware of the racist in there ranks, they can't afford to loose that voting block.
 
There has been a lot of virtual ink spilled about the GOP being in thrall to Trump and its radicalized base. They operate from fear, not principle. The opposition to judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, however, exposed a level of debasement only previously fully displayed at Trump cabinet meetings.

Numerous GOP Senators praised her acumen, qualifications and intellect - even extolling the historic nature of her elevation - then vowed to vote against her. Claims were made that she was "radical" - always devoid of evidence - and "soft on pedophiles", which was not only laughably untrue, but openly hypocritical.

No, what is really driving the opposition is not politics, but good old-fashioned racism, and not the systemic kind. That is not to say all of the Senators in opposition are themselves racist (although some of them hide it poorly), but the fear of being perceived as "not racist enough" for the MAGA-infused "base" of their party.

Rather than standing on principle, or having a cohesive philosophy or coherent, consistent criterial basis for determining "qualification" for a Supreme Court candidate, they fall to pablum and openly disingenuous criticism to cover their fear. It's frankly disgusting and embarrassing. This is what the GOP has devolved to - surrender to the Klan. White flag, white robes; the distinction is immaterial. What is relevant is the whiteness.

Although I definitely think racism is a GOP & conservative theme, I'm not sure that opposition to Ketanji Brown can be chalked up to racism in and of itself. Politics is a business. There's political branding just like business branding. There's political capital just like economic capital. There's niche marketing. There's bartering, with one individual or group exchanging access for support.

In actuality, Brown actually got more GOP support than Merrick Garland did, which is why her nomination was successful, so I see this more as a function of the power struggle than about race. To that end, the last two Democratic nominations to the Supreme Court make it beyond clear: the Republicans, as a party, will not support *any* Democratic nominee, no matter how qualified. The qualifications don't matter anymore; it's who's doing the nominating. That's it, and nothing more.

Why?

Because Republicans no longer regard the judiciary as a third branch of government, but rather as a tool that is used to legally validate the extreme legislation they propose and invalidate anything Democrats endorse. They're dedicated to one party rule, and a corrupted court system that renders decisions based purely on ideological, not constitutional, grounds.
 
Do you believe that Black Americans of the 21st century are as thoroughly downtrodden as were the Black Americans of the 1960s?
Of course not.

Just to spell it out, if the answer is no, then the violence of the Summer of Hate might just be disproportionate to the actual social situation.
Violence is rarely proportionate to the actual situation. The point is that it that attempts to over fixate on the violence only serve to draw attention away from the actual underlying causes.
 
Of course not.


Violence is rarely proportionate to the actual situation. The point is that it that attempts to over fixate on the violence only serve to draw attention away from the actual underlying causes.
Some perceived causes are not actual causes.
 
And that's the problem. The instinct is to deny a racial motivation for what is obvious to any honest observer.
Where is there any hint of racial motivation in the George Floyd case? By most accounts, Chauvin was a jackass as a cop. You are just wanting there to be racial motivation, but the truth is there is no evidence of it.
 
Where is there any hint of racial motivation in the George Floyd case? By most accounts, Chauvin was a jackass as a cop. You are just wanting there to be racial motivation, but the truth is there is no evidence of it.
Hmm. A federal Grand Jury disagreed. "On May 7, 2021, the U.S. Department of Justice officially indicted Chauvin, alongside his 3 co-officers, for constitutional civil rights violations described in (18 U.S.C. § 242) for their involvement in the murder of George Floyd.[88][89] These indictments caused the state court trial for the three other officers to be pushed back to start on March 7, 2022, from August 23, 2021.[90] Chauvin, also on May 7, 2021, was also indicted by the same grand jury for violating the civil rights of the 14-year-old boy he arrested in the aforementioned September 2017 incident.[89]"

Facts simply don't support your assertion.
 
And yet, many, many are. What a useless and baseless argument.

The original point to which I responded was promoting a false parallel between the violent protests of the sixties and those of 2020.

The sixties protests, while excessive, arose from an actual cause, given that (for one thing) many White citizens were actively impeding Black civil rights.

The 2020 protests arose from the false perception of systemic racism, given that a drugged up petty criminal resisted arrest and a cop lost his crap in trying to subdue the man.

Real racism in the first. Violence inevitable if not fully justified.

Fake racism in the second. Violence not justified in any way and therefore more heinous.
 
The sixties protests, while excessive, arose from an actual cause, given that (for one thing) many White citizens were actively impeding Black civil rights.
Yes, in the 60s there were actually still laws on the books that discriminated against black people. Today that discrimination is illegal, and people like Colin Kaepernick make millions of dollars complaining about how oppressed they are. Oddly enough, some leftists are now bringing back segregation of races in college classes and certain situations. After so many fought so hard to end it.
 
Although I definitely think racism is a GOP & conservative theme, I'm not sure that opposition to Ketanji Brown can be chalked up to racism in and of itself. Politics is a business. There's political branding just like business branding. There's political capital just like economic capital. There's niche marketing. There's bartering, with one individual or group exchanging access for support.
In actuality, Brown actually got more GOP support than Merrick Garland did, which is why her nomination was successful, so I see this more as a function of the power struggle than about race. To that end, the last two Democratic nominations to the Supreme Court make it beyond clear: the Republicans, as a party, will not support *any* Democratic nominee, no matter how qualified. The qualifications don't matter anymore; it's who's doing the nominating. That's it, and nothing more.
Why?
Because Republicans no longer regard the judiciary as a third branch of government, but rather as a tool that is used to legally validate the extreme legislation they propose and invalidate anything Democrats endorse. They're dedicated to one party rule, and a corrupted court system that renders decisions based purely on ideological, not constitutional, grounds.
Speaking of Merrick, I think we may be in for a high "Garland PAYBACK"...
While we have been consumed and entertained with other things i,e, Justice Jackson, Ukraine, Abortion...
Here is a story that I may need to get the popcorn ready...
-Peace

DOJ’s expanded coup investigation could ensnarl ‘hundreds’​

— including GOP members of Congress: NYT

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"On Dec. 21, 2020, Mr. Trump met with members of the House Freedom Caucus to discuss their plans to challenge Mr. Biden’s victory.

Among those present were Mr. Gosar, Mr. Biggs, Mr. Brooks, Ms. Greene, and Representatives Jim Jordan of Ohio and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania, who were deeply involved in Mr. Trump’s effort to fight the election results," the newspaper reported.

"The House committee has so far asked only three members of Congress for an interview: Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the Republican leader who engaged in what he called a 'very heated' call with Mr. Trump during the riot; Mr. Jordan and Mr. Perry.

All three men have refused to agree to a voluntary interview."

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Although I definitely think racism is a GOP & conservative theme, I'm not sure that opposition to Ketanji Brown can be chalked up to racism in and of itself. Politics is a business. There's political branding just like business branding. There's political capital just like economic capital. There's niche marketing. There's bartering, with one individual or group exchanging access for support.
The issue is more subtle and specific than that. I agree that the bulk of Republican opposition is simply because a Democrat nominated her. The party has become rabid as a consequence of an infection initiated by Newt Gingrich 30 years ago, and festering through the Tea party and Qanon insanities, exacerbated by out-of-control gerrymandering. Nonetheless, this a specific kind of grievance, and the language and choice of memes to smear her is deliberate. They were emboldened to go full-bore because of her race and gender.

Garland got no hearings because he was legitimately unimpeachable and an unobjectionable OWG. He had considerable support within the GOP membership, and would have been confirmed easily. McConnell couldn't risk that. His was a purely political court-block and bald exercise of McConnell dictate. Senators were literally threatened if they met with Garland.

This was different, because not only was she nominated by a Democrat, but because she was everything they fear the most: black, woman, accomplished, moderate, and so obviously smarter than all of them. That gave them license to engage in the most vile and juvenile behavior on behalf of a particular constituency. That is who they were performing for, which is really my point. No votes were changed, or ever in question. The point was to shore up support among the deplorables.

And it goes well beyond this nomination. It's a sickness within the party and they don't have a cure.
 
The issue is more subtle and specific than that. I agree that the bulk of Republican opposition is simply because a Democrat nominated her. The party has become rabid as a consequence of an infection initiated by Newt Gingrich 30 years ago, and festering through the Tea party and Qanon insanities, exacerbated by out-of-control gerrymandering. Nonetheless, this a specific kind of grievance, and the language and choice of memes to smear her is deliberate. They were emboldened to go full-bore because of her race and gender.

Garland got no hearings because he was legitimately unimpeachable and an unobjectionable OWG. He had considerable support within the GOP membership, and would have been confirmed easily. McConnell couldn't risk that. His was a purely political court-block and bald exercise of McConnell dictate. Senators were literally threatened if they met with Garland.

This was different, because not only was she nominated by a Democrat, but because she was everything they fear the most: black, woman, accomplished, moderate, and so obviously smarter than all of them. That gave them license to engage in the most vile and juvenile behavior on behalf of a particular constituency. That is who they were performing for, which is really my point. No votes were changed, or ever in question. The point was to shore up support among the deplorables.

And it goes well beyond this nomination. It's a sickness within the party and they don't have a cure.

Can't really disagree with any of this.
 
No, you seem to be trying to assign the worst possible intent to people you dislike, because it feels good. Respectfully, your argument here is simply the flip side of the "pro pedophilia" hysterics coming out of the drama crowd on the right.
What do you think the farcical squandering of taxpayer money on "1776" and the CRT wedge issue are about, especially the motivation
behind both, fitting "hand to glove"?
"...

Reception​

".. the report was completed "without any consultation with professional historians of the United States." ..

James Grossman, the executive director of the AHA, .. described the 1776 Commission's report as "a hack job" that was "not a work of history," but of "cynical politics." ...

Historian Timothy Messer-Kruse likened the content of the report to "every moldy trope of 1950s fifth-grade civics books" ..."

Leroy Johnston spent nine months in hospital recovering from WWI combat injuries before returning "home". Should his service to
his country and ending of his life be presented in public schools?

  • September 13, 2018
  • "...In Leroy Johnston’s discharge record, the word “slightly” has been stamped over “severely” in the ‘Wounded in action’ section.
The Road to Elaine

Johnston was a private in the U.S. Army. At 23, he joined on Nov. 9, 1917, in New York City. He served in Company M, 3rd Battalion, 369th Infantry, which was also known as the Harlem Hellfighters. Johnston went overseas in December 1917 and was honorably discharged on July 5, 1919. He was wounded and gassed in the Battle of Chateau-Thierry. He also served as a bugler. The Harlem Hellfighters military band became quite famous for introducing jazz to Europe.

The Johnstons were a prominent black family in Jefferson County. Their father, Rev. Lewis Johnston Jr., was the first ordained black minister of the Covenanter Church, and their mother, Mercy, was a former school teacher. Of Leroy’s three older brothers, Dr. D.A.E. Johnston was a successful dentist and inventor in Helena; Dr. Louis Johnston was a physician in Oklahoma; and Gibson Johnston owned a car dealership in Helena, where Leroy worked after his return from war. The four brothers had been out squirrel hunting when tragedy struck.

“What’s sad is that they had nothing to do with the riot. If they had just stayed in the woods for another day, maybe they could have evaded the calamity that pursues,” Mitchell said. “They hop on the train to Helena, and the train is stopped by one of the posses. The posse puts them in the back of a car handcuffed and takes them away. The narrative is that the brothers were all in the car of a well-known politician and business owner. They maintain that one of the brothers grabbed a gun and shot and killed the driver, and then the posse killed the brothers in retaliation. The brothers’ bodies were dumped on the side of the road, and they were supposedly horribly mutilated as well.”

The mother of the Johnston brothers encountered yet another miscarriage of justice when she retrieved their bodies.

“According to her story, the mother had to pay a bounty on the bodies before the coroner would ship them out,” Mitchell said. “She had them sent to Pine Bluff, where their father had taught and been buried. She wanted her sons buried near their father. All of the boys were buried in the same grave because their mother wanted them to be as close in death as they were in life.”

Mitchell is also part of an effort to locate the brothers’ grave. Many of the burial records for Jefferson County were lost in a fire during the 1970s, which has made finding the site of the Johnston brothers’ grave difficult. Mitchell said he believes he has located the cemetery where the brothers are buried and hopes that a grave marker can be placed on their gravesite before the centennial of the Elaine Massacre in 2019.

An old newspaper article shows the Johnston brothers who were killed in the Elaine Massacre in 1919.
The bodies of the black victims of the Elaine Massacre have never been found and are believed to have been buried in a mass grave. The grave’s location remains unknown. If the Johnston brothers’ grave is found, it would be significant as the only known grave of a black victim of the Elaine Massacre, Mitchell said..."
 
What do you think the farcical squandering of taxpayer money on "1776" and the CRT wedge issue are about,

"Wedge Issue" is always an interesting phrase, because it means "issues on which my tribe's position is not popular, which can cause us to lose elections".

I have no problem with using taxpayer money to teach and reinforce the positive values of the founding, and have serious epistemological issues with CRT's underlying claims.

However, when Republican politicians do this thing, I tend to suspect that it is "about" winning elections.

What it is not about is the fear of appearing not-racist-enough, any more than Democrats who try to win elections by arguing for increasing government spending by taxing the wealthy more are doing so because they fear not-destroying-the-American-economy-fast-enough. You are projecting the opposite of your motives onto people who disagree with your means.
 
"Wedge Issue" is always an interesting phrase, because it means "issues on which my tribe's position is not popular, which can cause us to lose elections".

I have no problem with using taxpayer money to teach and reinforce the positive values of the founding, and have serious epistemological issues with CRT's underlying claims.

However, when Republican politicians do this thing, I tend to suspect that it is "about" winning elections.

What it is not about is the fear of appearing not-racist-enough, any more than Democrats who try to win elections by arguing for increasing government spending by taxing the wealthy more are doing so because they fear not-destroying-the-American-economy-fast-enough. You are projecting the opposite of your motives onto people who disagree with your means.
As an outside observer, my friend, what this appears to be is a willful effort - and apparently quite successful one - to ignore the underlying reality because it is just too damned ugly to be acknowledged.

I think you misspoke when you said "serious epistemological issues". What you meant to say was, "serious accuracy issues". No one who understands the underlying basis of CRT really questions the epistemology, just the results. They may "say" it's the methods, but... well, you know. What CRT is about (as opposed to other epistemological approaches and unrelated issues lumped in with it for rhetorical effect), is examining why facially neutral, and even laudable, laws continue to have disparate effects. Those effects are obvious to anyone who spends 30 seconds thinking about it.

But this thread is not about that. This thread is about something specific, and, frankly, undeniable. I agree with you wholeheartedly when you say, "when Republican politicians do this thing, I tend to suspect that it is "about" winning elections." Yes, yes it is. But, what is "this thing"? And who is it they wish to win elections with?

"This thing" is trotting out every racist trope of the last two centuries to appeal to the racists within the base of the party. Is that a good thing, even if it does, "win elections"?
 
-snip- However, when Republican politicians do this thing, I tend to suspect that it is "about" winning elections.

What it is not about is the fear of appearing not-racist-enough, any more than Democrats who try to win elections by arguing for increasing government spending by taxing the wealthy more are doing so because they fear not-destroying-the-American-economy-fast-enough. You are projecting the opposite of your motives onto people who disagree with your means.
Sigh...

Democrats, according to the "Debt by the Penny," searchable numbers, have a consistent history dating back at to Jimmy Carter
of lowering or at least stabilizing the rate of growth of the national debt. On October 1, 2017, the first day of unfettered Trump era
budget management, the national debt during the prior 12 months had increased by $671 billion, or $56 billion per month. Trump-McConnell
did what they intended, debt increased an average $107 billion per month as Trump "gave America a big beautiful military" while cutting
taxes dramatically for the ten percent who own 89 percent of all privately held corporate stock.

Our choice is Joe Biden* | Editorials | unionleader.com
www.unionleader.com › Opinion › Editorials
Oct 25, 2020 — "There is no love lost between this newspaper and President Donald J. Trump. The Union Leader was very quickly dismissed by then-candidate ... While the last several trillion was in response to the COVID-19 economic crisis, at least the first three trillion was on the books well before the pandemic, while Trump was presiding over “...the best economy we’ve ever had in the history of our country.” (Trump’s words.) The layman would expect that the best economy in history would be a time to get the fiscal house in order, pay down debt and prepare for a rainy day (or perhaps a worldwide pandemic)."

The "American Economy," is not the top tenth of one percent. Despite "liberal left, socialist" democrats led by "Sleepy Joe and the squad"
and while the political party they've invested in disproportionally controlled no branch of the federal government, and after "the spigots" had
been opened dramatically by you know who,

...the folks you seem quite concerned for, did what they do.... divide and conquer,

Republican billionaire Ken Langone says he will hold fundraiser for Sen. Manchin​

https://www.cnbc.com › 2021/11/10 › republican-billiona...
Nov 10, 2021

"Net Worth of the 10%, 1%, and .1% Households​

Percentile Threshold10%2%1%0.10%
Net Worth$1,219,126$6,557,023$11,099,166$43,207,732
Looking at the one percent by net worth is more useful than income. If we had our way, a view of the top 10%, 1%, and .1% would concentrate on accumulated wealth, not affluence.

This data comes from the 2019 Survey of Consumer Finances from the Federal Reserve. (This is the newest SCF data until likely 2023). We calculated these breakpoints for our American wealth and net worth percentiles article. ..."

That $43 million figure is much closer to $75 million now, just three years later.

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Sigh...

Democrats, according to the "Debt by the Penny," searchable numbers, have a consistent history dating back at to Jimmy Carter
of lowering or at least stabilizing the rate of growth

I'm super tempted to respond by going on a long rant about the 19th and early 20th century impact of Chinese bimetallism, followed by several large pictures of dinosaurs and a graph overlaying seasonal flooding in India with the rate of divorce in hollywood...... but...... long confusing posts that have nothing to do with the post one is responding to is, apparently, more your specialty?
 
A tangential comment, LBJ's acumen, except for Vietnam, coupled with his understanding of Americans, north and south,
rich and poor, black and white, may have only been eclipsed by his ambition, sense of humor, and obnoxiousness.

There was progress, halted since, and somewhat reversed...


Justice Thurgood Marshall :
Q: You and Hoover seemed to have got along fine.
A: Oh no, we had fights. Well yes, at one of my swearing-ins he was there. And when I was solicitor general, on his birthday Johnson had him over to the White House for lunch and I was there for it and there was just Hoover, Tolson, Ramsey Clark and me. And the president.

Q: But wasn’t Hoover a racist?
A: I never thought he was. I still don’t.


"Still, the highest number of fatalities occurred in the rural area around Elaine, Arkansas, where an estimated 100–240 black people and five white people were killed—an event now known as the Elaine massacre. .."

99 blacks were falsely prosecuted and convicted for Elaine violence, 12 of those convicted, sentenced to death.
Miraculously, in a 6 - 2 decision in 1923, SCOTUS saved the lives of those 12, with support of some of the four, and
an outgoing Arkansas governor with a conscience. IMO, all of those unlikely factors and their timing, coming together, was the
stuff of divine intervention!


"...Prominent Little Rock attorney George Rose wrote a letter to outgoing Governor Thomas McRae requesting that he find a way to release the remaining defendants if they agreed to plead guilty. Rose's letter was an attempt to prevent Governor-Elect Thomas Jefferson Terral, a known member of the Ku Klux Klan, from getting involved in the matter.

Just hours before Governor McRae left office, he contacted Scipio Jones to inform him that indefinite furloughs had been issued for the remaining defendants. Jones used the furloughs to obtain release of the prisoners under cover of darkness. The defendants were quickly escorted out of state to prevent their being lynched.."
 
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The only plausible reason is that 186 House Republicans — including 10 from Florida — wanted to reinforce their image as political heirs of the sort of racists the South sent to Washington in a long-gone era.

Ostensibly, they were sore about a decision Hatchett once made regarding prayer in public schools. Uh-huh, sure.

C’mon GOP, we know where you’re coming from. You made your motives clear by repeatedly attacking Obamacare, pretending to believe Donald Trump’s Big Lie, your assault on abortion and sexual privacy, and most recently by trying to frame Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson as soft on kiddie porn."

Trump gave Limbaugh the Presidential Medal of Freedom - Vox

https://www.vox.com › rush-limbaugh-medal-of-freedo...
Feb 5, 2020 — During the State of the Union, the president gave Rush Limbaugh — a racist — the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor.
 
dems and libs understand that once truth is spoken and revealed trying to convince a hard head that he is wrong is not worth the effort.....a conserv repub, like the school yard bully, just wants to pick a fight for the sake of fighting......''the dogs with the loudest bark are the ones most afraid''

and in the final analysis liberalism wins out......look at our national history and look at the history of the world......

democracy will never be strangled as long as the Constitution stands.....

Democracy is being strangled right now. The Dems have hardly done a thing about over the years the Rep/cons have been leading up to this day. This day that the Rep/cons are, indeed, strangling democracy, and the Constitution, as we speak.
 
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