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I think the point is it is not one party's ideology, it originates outside the party and has support far beyond that party and does not actively campaign for one party.Again. Show me how this is non-partisan legislation. The only people I see supporting this in congress are 55 Republicans 1 Democrat. That leads me to believe that the people behind this are OVERWHELMINGLY Republican and Conservative in nature. Not 'non-partisans' as you misleadingly claim. Or are you going to pretend that Republicans aren't overwhelmingly supportive of a "Fair Tax" while Democrats oppose it? This is a one party issue. Republicans clearly support it. Democrats don't. Don't go calling it non-partisan and misleading us into believing it's not an idea that is supported by one ideology and opposed by another.
I think the point is it is not one party's ideology, it originates outside the party and has support far beyond that party and does not actively campaign for one party.
So the bill has support of more Republicans than Dems by far. That does not necessarily make the whole movement partisan as it is something far more than a Republican tactic and organ.The claim : The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation.
The evidence :
Americans For Fair Taxation: Co-Sponsor Gallery
Supported overwhelmingly/brought by/drafted by Republicans.
In Congress :
Americans For Fair Taxation:
Opposed by both Republicans & Democrats.
The only thing 'non-partisan' about this is the universal opposition to it. The legislation itself is clearly right winged. Please stop playing semantics and call a duck a duck?
So the bill has support of more Republicans than Dems by far.
That does not necessarily make the whole movement partisan as it is something far more than a Republican tactic and organ.
What is the point of talking about partisan in any other way? So it attracts more rightwingers? That's a pretty big group. It can't please everyone so talking about partisanism for that reason is a little silly.
What do you expect it to please communists(and I'm not even talking about the dems.:2razzor anarcho-primitivists?
Any point to these hostile comments?And drafted and brought up in Congress etc. But hey. Glad you're finally on the same page as the rest of us.
So what is your point? The fact it draws more support from one side of the spectrum makes it "partisan" or in fact from one ideology. That is a basically a use of the term partisan to make that meaningless.The fact that an idea is supported by an overwhelmingly Republican majority is not a sign that it is partisan in nature? Really? If it was non-partisan which in this case is bull**** or bipartisan(supported by both sides) why don't we see left wing or Democrat support for it? PLEASE I beg you to stop playing semantics?
So it is partisan. You just don't want to call it partisan. Sorry. From the start I think the idea of a 'fair tax' is bull****. It is the typical right wing labeling of ideas they have and consider 'righteous'. Think 'Homeland Security', 'Patriot Act' and 'Coalition of the Willing'. The difference is that while those ideas were supported by a large percentage of people in an almost non-partisan way. The only thing 'non-partisan' about this is it's rejection by both sides of congress.
I tried doing that but found that he spoke in such a way that I'd first have to know exactly what led him to those conclusions before I could go over individual points.
Here, let me refute your argument as effectively as you've presented yours. You are so mind bogglingly wrong that I don't even know where to begin with it. It's like every word is just wrong. It has even magically made me start to support the Fair tax, if you can believe it.:shock:.
Actually, my argument uses a smiley, so it is by default MORE effective than your. So there!
I was honestly trying to respond to your post but was frustrated by the lack of specificness so just wrote what was on my mind. So I apologize for my arrogant and offensive post.
He lacks specificity but somehow you still managed through your magick-like mental abilities to deduce that he was wrong. Odd. You still haven't said why he's wrong. We're waiting with baited breath.
The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.
The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.
The FairTax:
-Enables workers to keep their entire paychecks
-Enables retirees to keep their entire pensions
-Refunds in advance the tax on purchases of basic necessities
-Allows American products to compete fairly
-Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
-Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
-Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
-Abolishes the IRS
Click here to see the national petition.
One thing that I think people tend to miss in this debate is the idea that the wealthy will pay more taxes, but will get more value for it, i.e. if you add a voluntary nature to the equation, the wealthy have more discretionary income, therefore consume more, they get their desired goods and services, and don't have to hold over income because of the randomness of the current code, no penalties, no withholding, no "April budget", etc. When people will know how much they retain, they will spend accordingly, and taxes are just a natural extension of purchasing.
Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh LookI suspect that you'll eventually get something like the Fair Tax or a National Sales Tax -- and the Income Tax.
This is why I have a greater preference for a universal Flat Income Tax.
Why should we support any federal tax? There is enough revenue generated from other sources to maintain the budget from ten years ago. Instead of supporting the spending spree congress/Bush/Obama have been on, perhaps we should tighten our purse strings and get our house in order. :twocents:
I think people who are in power are against the fair tax are against it because they feel it gives the citizens to much power its obvious how much tax people are paying therefor they control the spending rather than the government.Its a simple idea and government hates simple ideas.
The absurd complexity of our tax system has little to do with the type of tax used. You can make sales taxes just as complex as income tax if you feel like it and vice versa.
I'd suggest reading the Fair tax book, but yeah, Washington would probably find a way to screw it up.And given our Congress's history, they are going to make it extremely complex. Big Corporate business is going to get the exemptions and special deductions they've always had, the poor will pay little to no taxes, loopholes for the rich will be enacted and we'd have spent lots of money on a system no better than the one it replaces while risking Congress implementing both an income tax and sales tax. Remember, there's not a damn thing to stop them from merely not eliminating the income tax.
I'd suggest reading the Fair tax book, but yeah, Washington would probably find a way to screw it up.
Understandable, and it looks like that is exactly where they are trying to take things now, if they do, it'll probably result in yet another change in Washington for 2010, but then who knows, they'll probably end up worse the way things are going.Oh I understand Fair tax, and in theory isn't a bad idea. But someone else pointed this out to me a long time ago. When Congress enacts the bill to change the tax system there's absolutely nothing stopping it from repealing the part where it repeals the current system. So we risk having both tax systems at the same time. Furthermore, Congress has historically a hard time getting rid of taxes once they enact them.
I disagree. It is still a tax on labour.Oh I understand Fair tax, and in theory isn't a bad idea. .
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