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The Failure of Official Global Warming Predictions

Jack Hays

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Seems to me this one will be hard for the AGW believers to answer. The data are clear and the presentation is striking.

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The abject failure of official global-warming predictions

Guest essay by Monckton of Brenchley The IPCC published its First Assessment Report a quarter of a century ago, in 1990. The Second Assessment Report came out 20 years ago, the Third 15 years ago. Even 15 years is enough to test whether the models’ predictions have proven prophetic. In 2008, NOAA’s report on the…

". . . It is now time to display the graph that will bring the global warming scare to an end (or, at least, in a rational scientific debate it would raise serious questions):


The zones colored orange and red, bounded by the two red needles, are, respectively, the low-end and high-end medium-term predictions made by the IPCC in 1990 that global temperature would rise by 1.0 [0.7, 1.5] Cº in the 36 years to 2025, equivalent to 2.78 [1.94, 4.17] Cº/century (page xxiv). The boundary between the two zones is the IPCC’s then best prediction: warming equivalent to about 2.8 C°/century by now.
The green region shows the range of measured global temperatures over the quarter-century since 1990. GISS, as usual following the alterations that were made to all three terrestrial datasets in the two years preceding the Paris climate conference, gives the highest value, at 1.71 C°/century equivalent. The UAH and RSS datasets are at the lower bound of observation, at 1.00 and 1.11 C°/century respectively.
Two remarkable facts stand out. First, the entire interval of observational measurements is below the IPCC’s least estimate in 1990, individual measurements falling between one-half and one-third of the IPCC’s then central estimate.
Secondly, the interval between the UAH and GISS measurements is very large – 0.71 C°/century equivalent. The GISS warming rate is higher by 71% than the UAH warming rate – and these are measured rates. But the central IPCC predicted rate is not far short of thrice the UAH measured rate, and the highest predicted rate is more than four times the UAH measured rate.
The absolute minimum uncertainty in the observational global-temperature measurements is thus 0.71 C°/century, the difference between the UAH and GISS measured warming rates. Strictly speaking, therefore, it is not possible to be sure that any global warming has occurred unless the warming rate is at least 0.71 C° century. On the mean of the RSS and UAH datasets, the farthest one can go back in the data and yet obtain a rate less than 0.71 C° is August 1993. . . ."
 
They keep trying this thing where they take the year 2100 predictions and interpolate in a linear fashion and call that the IPCC's prediction.

The IPCC does not predict a linear temperature increase.
 
They keep trying this thing where they take the year 2100 predictions and interpolate in a linear fashion and call that the IPCC's prediction.

The IPCC does not predict a linear temperature increase.

Look again. There's none of that.
 
Your #7 showed only my graph. Do you wish to change the subject now?

It's not changing. You just misinterpreted. Relax.

The statement you made was "do you realize your graphs illustrate the pause?"

You were speaking of threegoofs' graphs. I responded to that.

his graphs show many pauses.

Up to speed now?
 
It's not changing. You just misinterpreted. Relax.

The statement you made was "do you realize your graphs illustrate the pause?"

You were speaking of threegoofs' graphs. I responded to that.

his graphs show many pauses.

Up to speed now?

Then why did your #7 use "graph" singular and show only mine?
 
Then why did your #7 use "graph" singular and show only mine?

Because that's how the reply with quote button works. You have all the clarification you need. I take it you have no comment.
 
I find it interesting that the " experts" are telling us that if we dont do anything we will by 2100 see a sea level rise of somewhere between 6 inches and 6 feet.

my response: get back to me when and if you figure out what is going on.
 
I find it interesting that the " experts" are telling us that if we dont do anything we will by 2100 see a sea level rise of somewhere between 6 inches and 6 feet.

my response: get back to me when and if you figure out what is going on.

The 6 feet is never actually in a paper it's just shouted about.

Sometimes they stick their neck out and talk about 3 feet but there is no possibility of that as there is not enough ice vulnerable to melting. 1 foot might happen if we get the full 4c warming but then it has to get a big shimmy on for that and even then they don't count any water absorbedby the dry areas of the world getting wetter. With this in mind my guess is that if we get a +4c warming by 2100 then I expect a slight drop in sea level of the tune of about 10 inches.

All that said I think it's reasonably hard to tell the sea level to an accuracy of 10 inches.
 
The 6 feet is never actually in a paper it's just shouted about.

Sometimes they stick their neck out and talk about 3 feet but there is no possibility of that as there is not enough ice vulnerable to melting. 1 foot might happen if we get the full 4c warming but then it has to get a big shimmy on for that and even then they don't count any water absorbedby the dry areas of the world getting wetter. With this in mind my guess is that if we get a +4c warming by 2100 then I expect a slight drop in sea level of the tune of about 10 inches.

All that said I think it's reasonably hard to tell the sea level to an accuracy of 10 inches.

I think we set up a legal framework to deal with potential global environmental degradation, and we do like the Pentagon and have plans ready to go, if we see a specific problem we pull out the plan and act on it. Trying to prevent change is stupid almost always in life, and trying to do so when we dont understand what is happening is the height of idiocy.

I hate your colored font.

Why do you do that?
 
I find it interesting that the " experts" are telling us that if we dont do anything we will by 2100 see a sea level rise of somewhere between 6 inches and 6 feet.

my response: get back to me when and if you figure out what is going on.

The 6 feet is never actually in a paper it's just shouted about.

Sometimes they stick their neck out and talk about 3 feet but there is no possibility of that as there is not enough ice vulnerable to melting. 1 foot might happen if we get the full 4c warming but then it has to get a big shimmy on for that and even then they don't count any water absorbedby the dry areas of the world getting wetter. With this in mind my guess is that if we get a +4c warming by 2100 then I expect a slight drop in sea level of the tune of about 10 inches.

All that said I think it's reasonably hard to tell the sea level to an accuracy of 10 inches.

What predictions that far out SHOULD tell you is that the cabal doesn't give a damn if it ever actually happens as long as those who are paying those guys and calling their shots have had their solution in place before then.
Let's face it, shorter term predictions so far have fallen so flat that data had to be revised so they have to focus on what'll happen when we're all gone.
Until then there are things like the surprisingly extensive push to punish deniers to help keep things on track.
 
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What predictions that far out SHOULD tell you is that the cabal doesn't give a damn if it ever actually happens as long as those who are paying those guys and calling their shots have had their solution in place before then.
Let's face it, shorter term predictions so far have fallen so flat that data had to be revised so they have to focus on what'll happen when we're all gone.
Until then there are things like the surprisingly extensive push to punish deniers to help keep things on track.

Let's face it, your characterization isn't accurate
 
What predictions that far out SHOULD tell you is that the cabal doesn't give a damn if it ever actually happens as long as those who are paying those guys and calling their shots have had their solution in place before then.
Let's face it, shorter term predictions so far have fallen so flat that data had to be revised so they have to focus on what'll happen when we're all gone.
Until then there are things like the surprisingly extensive push to punish deniers to help keep things on track.

Gosh. They seemed to get the prediction frighteningly correct when they predicted 30 years ago that we would have extensive global warming.
 
What predictions that far out SHOULD tell you is that the cabal doesn't give a damn if it ever actually happens as long as those who are paying those guys and calling their shots have had their solution in place before then.
Let's face it, shorter term predictions so far have fallen so flat that data had to be revised so they have to focus on what'll happen when we're all gone.
Until then there are things like the surprisingly extensive push to punish deniers to help keep things on track.

We cant even plan a few years, we jump from crisis to crisis and temper tantrum to temper tantrum, as we load up our kids and grandkids charge card so that we can live the good life, as basics such as the electric grid and water lines and roads and bridges as everything else is suffering from deferred maintainance because we just cant get er done dont ya know.........and now we are going to save the Earth from global warming.


What a great laugh, and humor is always in short supply so keep em coming......
 
Gosh. They seemed to get the prediction frighteningly correct when they predicted 30 years ago that we would have extensive global warming.

That was the "shorter term predictions so far have fallen so flat that data had to be revised" but we've been through that before.
 
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