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The Failure of Official Global Warming Predictions

Arctic / Methane
[h=1]Surprise finding: Arctic Ocean methane does not reach the atmosphere[/h] From the CAGE – CENTER FOR ARCTIC GAS HYDRATE, CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENT and the cancel the “methane time bomb” department comes this surprising finding: 250 methane flares release the climate gas methane from the seabed and into the Arctic Ocean. During the summer months this leads to an increased methane concentration in the ocean. But surprisingly,…
 
Jack Hays said:

[h=1]2015 Updated NOAA Tide Gauge Data Shows No Coastal Sea Level Rise Acceleration[/h] Guest essay by Larry Hamblin NOAA has updated its extensive U.S. coastal tide gauge data measurement records (Sea Level Trends - US Stations List) to include data through year 2015. These measurements include tide gauge data coastal locations for 25 West Coast, Gulf Coast and East Coast states along the Pacific Ocean, Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean. In addition 7…
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I have often wondered why most of the NOAA tide trend charts stop at 2011, I did not really think they stopped collecting the data.
 
Threegoofs said:
Let me guess...because Jesus would never let people hurt the earth?


https://wottsupwiththatblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/roy-spencer-and-the-cornwall-alliance/
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You continue to parade your ignorance. The Cornwall Alliance never mentions Jesus. Their position is essentially Deist, consistent with many of the great figures in the history of science.

As for Spencer's linked article:

"It’s been quite a while since I’ve discussed why the diagnosis of feedbacks in the climate system (and thus climate sensitivity) from observations is biased toward high climate sensitivity. It’s a controversial topic, one which we have a few published papers on, yet one I am more firmly convinced about than any other climate research I have ever published.

I’m pretty convinced that most of our detractors on the subject don’t even know what we are talking about. The refutations against our work have been a mixture of strawman arguments, red herrings, silliness, and deception.

To put it simply, if temperature change causes a change in the top-of-atmosphere radiative balance, then you can (with some assumptions regarding time lags) diagnose feedbacks by simply regressing the radiative variations against the temperature variations. BUT if it is instead a time-varying radiative imbalance causing a surface temperature change (causation reversed), then you cannot diagnose feedbacks. . . . "
 
Jack Hays said:
You continue to parade your ignorance. The Cornwall Alliance never mentions Jesus. Their position is essentially Deist, consistent with many of the great figures in the history of science.

As for Spencer's linked article:

"It’s been quite a while since I’ve discussed why the diagnosis of feedbacks in the climate system (and thus climate sensitivity) from observations is biased toward high climate sensitivity. It’s a controversial topic, one which we have a few published papers on, yet one I am more firmly convinced about than any other climate research I have ever published.

I’m pretty convinced that most of our detractors on the subject don’t even know what we are talking about. The refutations against our work have been a mixture of strawman arguments, red herrings, silliness, and deception.

To put it simply, if temperature change causes a change in the top-of-atmosphere radiative balance, then you can (with some assumptions regarding time lags) diagnose feedbacks by simply regressing the radiative variations against the temperature variations. BUT if it is instead a time-varying radiative imbalance causing a surface temperature change (causation reversed), then you cannot diagnose feedbacks. . . . "
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LOL.

The Cornwall Alliance is an organization meant to mobilize evangelical Christians to rationalize away environmental policy. It's pretty damn clear.

The oily operators behind the religious climate change disinformation front group, Cornwall Alliance | ThinkProgress

And a whole lot of your heroes seem to be involved.
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL.

The Cornwall Alliance is an organization meant to mobilize evangelical Christians to rationalize away environmental policy. It's pretty damn clear.

The oily operators behind the religious climate change disinformation front group, Cornwall Alliance | ThinkProgress

And a whole lot of your heroes seem to be involved.
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If it's Christian why is there no mention of Christ?

[h=3]The Cornwall Declaration On Environmental Stewardship[/h]cornwallalliance.org › Landmark Documents


Cornwall Alliance


The Cornwall Declaration On Environmental Stewardship ... justice and compassion, unite in this declaration of our common concerns, beliefs, and aspirations.
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL.
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Isaac Newton (25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727)[SUP][1][/SUP] was, as considered by others within his own lifetime, an insightful and erudite theologian.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] He wrote many works that would now be classified as occult studies and religious tracts dealing with the literal interpretation of the Bible.[SUP][5][/SUP]
Newton's conception of the physical world provided a stable model of the natural world that would reinforce stability and harmony in the civic world. Newton saw a monotheistic God as the masterful creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] Although born into an Anglican family, by his thirties Newton held a Christian faith that, had it been made public, would not have been considered orthodox by mainstream Christianity;[SUP][8][/SUP] in recent times he has been described as a heretic.[SUP][9][/SUP]


Religious views of Isaac Newton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Isaac_Newton


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Because of his secrecy over his religious beliefs, Newton has been described as a Nicodemite. According to most scholars, Newton was Arian, not holding to Trinitarianism. 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'.‎Christian orthodoxy - ‎God as masterful creator - ‎The Bible - ‎Other beliefs
 
Threegoofs said:
If it's not Christian than explain why I can't find any non-Christians involved.

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Christians play baseball too. But that doesn't make the National League a Christian organization.

All Christians can be Cornwallers, but not all Cornwallers are Christians.
 
Threegoofs said:
Again, find me one that isn't.
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Not my obligation. Point is that there's no mention of Jesus (as you falsely claimed) in any of their declarations. And as demonstrated by Isaac Newton, there's nothing about religious affiliation that precludes achievement in science.
 
It's no surprise the predictions are so bad. Even the experts among the GW apologists admit that they don't really know what's going to happen.

https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/501.htm

Improve methods to quantify uncertainties of climate projections and scenarios, including development and exploration of long-term ensemble simulations using complex models. The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. Rather the focus must be upon the prediction of the probability distribution of the system�s future possible states by the generation of ensembles of model solutions. Addressing adequately the statistical nature of climate is computationally intensive and requires the application of new methods of model diagnosis, but such statistical information is essential.
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Is Climate Science Settled Because It Cannot Be Settled?

Guest opinion: Dr. Tim Ball Al Gore even made some hardened liberal journalists sit up and question when in 2007 he told a joint session of the House Energy Committee and The Senate Environment Committee that the climate debate was over, “the science was settled”. The journalists knew, as any moderately informed person does, that…
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The IPCC were the first official group to make climate predictions that caught world attention and they were wrong from the start. Because their objective was political, they deliberately chose to separate claims about the accuracy of their forecasts. The Summary for Policymakers (SPM) deliberately misleads and as Figure 1 by Roy Spencer shows they increased the misdirection as the gap between their claims and reality widened.


 
[h=1]The Tangled Web of Global Warming Activism[/h]Guest Opinion: Dr. Tim Ball Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832) wrote, “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!” There were several actions required to create the tangled web of deception relating to the claim that human-produced CO2 caused global warming. It involved creating smaller deceptions to control the narrative that…

1 day ago June 26, 2016 in Opinion.
 
Jack Hays said:
Not my obligation. Point is that there's no mention of Jesus (as you falsely claimed) in any of their declarations. And as demonstrated by Isaac Newton, there's nothing about religious affiliation that precludes achievement in science.
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Here is their Declaration of Beliefs. A bit shy on science.


"Our Beliefs

Our common Judeo-Christian heritage teaches that the following theological and anthropological principles are the foundation of environmental stewardship:

God, the Creator of all things, rules over all and deserves our worship and adoration.

The earth, and with it all the cosmos, reveals its Creator’s wisdom and is sustained and governed by His power and lovingkindness.

Men and women were created in the image of God, given a privileged place among creatures, and commanded to exercise stewardship over the earth. Human persons are moral agents for whom freedom is an essential condition of responsible action.

Sound environmental stewardship must attend both to the demands of human well being and to a divine call for human beings to exercise caring dominion over the earth. It affirms that human well being and the integrity of creation are not only compatible but also dynamically interdependent realities.

God’s Law—summarized in the Decalogue and the two Great Commandments (to love God and neighbor), which are written on the human heart, thus revealing His own righteous character to the human person— represents God’s design for shalom, or peace, and is the supreme rule of all conduct, for which personal or social prejudices must not be substituted.

By disobeying God’s Law, humankind brought on itself moral and physical corruption as well as divine condemnation in the form of a curse on the earth. Since the fall into sin people have often ignored their Creator, harmed their neighbors, and defiled the good creation.

God in His mercy has not abandoned sinful people or the created order but has acted throughout history to restore men and women to fellowship with Him and through their stewardship to enhance the beauty and fertility of the earth.

Human beings are called to be fruitful, to bring forth good things from the earth, to join with God in making provision for our temporal well being, and to enhance the beauty and fruitfulness of the rest of the earth. Our call to fruitfulness, therefore, is not contrary to but mutually complementary with our call to steward God’s gifts. This call implies a serious commitment to fostering the intellectual, moral, and religious habits and practices needed for free economies and genuine care for the environment."
 
JackA said:
Here is their Declaration of Beliefs. A bit shy on science.


"Our Beliefs

Our common Judeo-Christian heritage teaches that the following theological and anthropological principles are the foundation of environmental stewardship:

God, the Creator of all things, rules over all and deserves our worship and adoration.

The earth, and with it all the cosmos, reveals its Creator’s wisdom and is sustained and governed by His power and lovingkindness.

Men and women were created in the image of God, given a privileged place among creatures, and commanded to exercise stewardship over the earth. Human persons are moral agents for whom freedom is an essential condition of responsible action.

Sound environmental stewardship must attend both to the demands of human well being and to a divine call for human beings to exercise caring dominion over the earth. It affirms that human well being and the integrity of creation are not only compatible but also dynamically interdependent realities.

God’s Law—summarized in the Decalogue and the two Great Commandments (to love God and neighbor), which are written on the human heart, thus revealing His own righteous character to the human person— represents God’s design for shalom, or peace, and is the supreme rule of all conduct, for which personal or social prejudices must not be substituted.

By disobeying God’s Law, humankind brought on itself moral and physical corruption as well as divine condemnation in the form of a curse on the earth. Since the fall into sin people have often ignored their Creator, harmed their neighbors, and defiled the good creation.

God in His mercy has not abandoned sinful people or the created order but has acted throughout history to restore men and women to fellowship with Him and through their stewardship to enhance the beauty and fertility of the earth.

Human beings are called to be fruitful, to bring forth good things from the earth, to join with God in making provision for our temporal well being, and to enhance the beauty and fruitfulness of the rest of the earth. Our call to fruitfulness, therefore, is not contrary to but mutually complementary with our call to steward God’s gifts. This call implies a serious commitment to fostering the intellectual, moral, and religious habits and practices needed for free economies and genuine care for the environment."
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Again, nothing to which Sir Isaac Newton would object.
 
JackA said:
He might agree in full being a fellow Creationist.
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Perhaps. It doesn't matter. And btw, belief in God the Creator does not necessarily make one a creationist in the literal Biblical sense of the term.
 
Jack Hays said:
Perhaps. It doesn't matter. And btw, belief in God the Creator does not necessarily make one a creationist in the literal Biblical sense of the term.
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That's right, but Newton was a creationist in the literal Biblical sense of the term.
 
Climate Models / Land Surface Air Temperature Data
[h=1]In Honor of the 4th of July, A Few Model-Data Comparisons of Contiguous U.S. Surface Air Temperatures[/h]Guest Post by Bob Tisdale This post is similar in format to In Honor of Secretary of State John Kerry’s Global Warming Publicity-Founded Visit to Greenland… As you’ll see, like Greenland, the consensus of the climate models used by the IPCC show that the models do not simulate the surface temperatures for the contiguous United States…
 
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