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The Enforcement of Liberal Conformism

Jack Hays

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The supposed cradles of free inquiry and debate are in fact the places where they are in danger of being strangled. Our students and our society are the poorer for it.

The Closing of the Academic Mind - William Kristol, Weekly Standard

"From Brandeis on the Atlantic to Azusa on the Pacific, an iron curtain has descended across academia. Behind that line lie all the classrooms of the ancient schools of America. Wesleyan, Brown, Princeton, Vassar, Bryn Mawr, Berkeley, Bowdoin, and Stanford, all these famous colleges and the populations within them lie in what we must call the Liberal sphere, and all are subject in one form or another, not only to influence but to a very high and, in many cases, increasing measure of control from the commissars of Liberal Orthodoxy. .  .  .":peace
 
It's always kind of funny how, despite all of the wailing and moaning about "liberal indoctrination" in academia, detractors never actually have any examples of points of view that are being stifled, other than essentially racist and ethnocentric positions of white, European, or Christian superiority. The only complaints that are ever vocalized are claims that we shouldn't teach people that other cultures are also good, and we shouldn't teach that ours has flaws.

Our culture does have flaws. Other cultures have done and still do some things better than we do. One of the reasons to study other cultures is to appropriate the things they're doing right into our own to improve our own.

The article talks about someone having her (honorary) credentials revoked over a criticism of Islam. But it doesn't say what she said, nor what the school's policy would have been if she had made similar critiques of other religions. For all we know, she was engaging in conspiracy theory nonsense and was openly embracing racism. I don't imagine many institutions would have taken kindly if she's said something similar about any religion. But mainly it is cherry picking a few examples of situations where a conservative viewpoint lost in the overall market of free ideas and citing that as some kind of suppression. There is never evidence that conservative ideas haven't been given a fair chance, only that they lose the eventual debate, and have been for decades. This is unsurprising, since conservative thought doesn't generally produce new ideas, only clings to old ones. Which is, of course, what the article supports. A return to what people supposedly did for "most of history", without really going into any kind of detail as to what that is.

So again, what exactly is academia refusing to do? Agree with conservatives? They have horrendously bad ideas, and in any educated setting, the better ideas should win out. As above, the only viewpoints that "liberal academia" is apparently refusing to tolerate are truly despicable ones like racism, religious superiority, oppression of homosexuals, and misogyny. Oh no, what a terrible thing...
 
It's always kind of funny how, despite all of the wailing and moaning about "liberal indoctrination" in academia, detractors never actually have any examples of points of view that are being stifled, other than essentially racist and ethnocentric positions of white, European, or Christian superiority. The only complaints that are ever vocalized are claims that we shouldn't teach people that other cultures are also good, and we shouldn't teach that ours has flaws.

Our culture does have flaws. Other cultures have done and still do some things better than we do. One of the reasons to study other cultures is to appropriate the things they're doing right into our own to improve our own.

The article talks about someone having her (honorary) credentials revoked over a criticism of Islam. But it doesn't say what she said, nor what the school's policy would have been if she had made similar critiques of other religions. For all we know, she was engaging in conspiracy theory nonsense and was openly embracing racism. I don't imagine many institutions would have taken kindly if she's said something similar about any religion. But mainly it is cherry picking a few examples of situations where a conservative viewpoint lost in the overall market of free ideas and citing that as some kind of suppression. There is never evidence that conservative ideas haven't been given a fair chance, only that they lose the eventual debate, and have been for decades. This is unsurprising, since conservative thought doesn't generally produce new ideas, only clings to old ones. Which is, of course, what the article supports. A return to what people supposedly did for "most of history", without really going into any kind of detail as to what that is.

So again, what exactly is academia refusing to do? Agree with conservatives? They have horrendously bad ideas, and in any educated setting, the better ideas should win out. As above, the only viewpoints that "liberal academia" is apparently refusing to tolerate are truly despicable ones like racism, religious superiority, oppression of homosexuals, and misogyny. Oh no, what a terrible thing...

If you are ignorant of the issues in the Brandeis affair then you should not embarrass yourself by posting. She is a famous campaigner for human rights and (especially) the liberation of Muslim women.:peace
 
If you are ignorant of the issues in the Brandeis affair then you should not embarrass yourself by posting. She is a famous campaigner for human rights and (especially) the liberation of Muslim women.:peace

Actually she is an admitted liar and right wing lunatic who is drunk with her own fame. Her challenges to Islam are washed in her bigoted statements about the religion as a whole. So as someone who has a fairly intimate relationship with some of the people who opposed her your characterization is garbage.
 
Actually she is an admitted liar and right wing lunatic who is drunk with her own fame. Her challenges to Islam are washed in her bigoted statements about the religion as a whole. So as someone who has a fairly intimate relationship with some of the people who opposed her your characterization is garbage.

Excellent propaganda post. Those who opposed her oppose free speech and women's rights.:peace
 
Excellent propaganda post. Those who opposed her oppose free speech and women's rights.:peace

More lies...You don't know what free speech is.
 
More lies...You don't know what free speech is.

A Letter to the President of Brandeis | The Weekly Standard

https://www.weeklystandard.com/.../letter-president...‎The Weekly Standard

Jay Bergman, an alumnus of Brandeis University, forwards us the letter he sent to the president of his alma mater regarding the disgraceful Ayaan Hirsi Ali episode:
Frederick Lawrence
President
Brandeis University
Waltham, Massachusetts
Dear President Lawrence:
The decision of Brandeis University not to award an honorary degree to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, after first announcing that it would do so, is disgraceful.
The cowardice it reflects contrasts sharply with the courage Ms. Ali has shown in condemning aspects of Islam that she rightly considers cruel, bigoted, and misogynistic, and for which she has suffered grievously.
It is yet another example of how arrogant, closed-minded faculty, and students who believe they can prohibit anything on campus that makes them uncomfortable, can intimidate administrators such as yourself to the point where one of the principles essential to higher education -- a tolerance of opinions with which one disagrees -- is dispensed with in the name of preserving "a welcoming environment." But the very essence of education is being challenged intellectually, and if students cannot endure the discomfort that that often induces, they have no business attending a college or university.


[h=4]You say that you are withdrawing the award because Ms. HIrsi's views violate what you call "the core values" of the university. But Brandeis saw nothing wrong in awarding an honorary degree to Tony Kushner, who has called the creation of the state of Israel a mistake and falsely accused it of ethnic cleansing; and to Desmond Tutu, an anti-semitic bigot who has compared Israel to Nazi Germany. From this one could reasonably conclude -- since Tutu's anti-semitism did not cause Brandeis to refrain from awarding him a degree -- that anti-semitism is either one of the core values of your university or is not inconsistent with these values.[/h]


It is clear that at Brandeis University Israel can be smeared and those who do so are rewarded, but someone who properly criticizes Islam is unfairly attacked and dishonored.

In short, you have made the sorry record the university has compiled in awarding honorary degrees even worse.
And what makes your shameful capitulation especially regrettable to me is that I am an alumnus of Brandeis University, class of 1970. Your university is my university. And right now I am ashamed to call it my alma mater.
Sincerely,

Jay Bergman
Professor of History
Central Connecticut State University
New Britain CT 06050
P.S. For your edification I include below the excellent article by Lori Lowenthal Marcus, an alumna of Brandeis, in today's Jewish Press, and an article by Toby Young in today's Telegraph, published in England and subtitled, appropriately: " Cowardly Brandeis University Capitulates to Islamist Pressure.":peace
 
More lies...You don't know what free speech is.

Lori Lowenthal Marcus
"Brandeis Caves to Pressure. Withdraws Honor to Ayaan Hirsi Ali The Jewish Press (April 9, 2014)
In a complete collapse of rectitude, Brandeis University's president Fred Lawrence issued a statement on Tuesday evening, April 8, announcing the withdrawal of women's and human rights champion Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a recipient of an honorary degree from the school at this year's commencement.
For two days Muslim students and supporters raged against the decision to honor Ali because, they claimed, she is Islampohobic.
Ali was born in Mogadishu, Somalia. In 1992 she escaped an impending arranged marriage to a relative, running to the Netherlands, where she learned the language and established a life. She rose to become a member of the Dutch parliament, where she worked to further the integration of non-Western immigrants into Dutch society.
In 2004, Ali made a film with her friend, Theo Van Gogh. That film, "Submission," is about the oppression of women in conservative Islamic cultures.
After "Submission" was aired on Dutch television, an Islamic extremist murdered Van Gogh who was enraged by the portrayal of Islam. A letter pinned to his body contained a death threat to Ali. She eventually fled Holland and Ayaan Hirsi Ali now lives in the United States.
Ali evolved from being a devout Muslim to one who questioned her faith, to ultimately and resolutely rejecting it.
"I left the world of faith, of genital cutting and forced marriage for the world of reason and emancipation. After making this voyage I know that one of these two worlds is simply better than the other. Not for its gaudy gadgetry, but for its fundamental values." That is a quote from Ali's book, "Infidel."
Ali has been extremely and indeed harshly critical of the Islamic world in which she suffered, both as a child in Africa, and also as a hunted creature, in Holland, from the angry immigrants who brought with them to Europe a profound inability to accept criticism of Islam.
And now, here in America, Ali is still being hounded by those who refuse to live by the standards of the West, of tolerance, of robust confrontations, but ones not knife-edged with intimidation.
The Facebook Page denouncing Ali and the decision to honor her at Brandeis's 2014 Commencement decried her for her "hate speech." The Muslim Students Association claimed that honoring her "is a direct violation of Brandeis University's own moral code as well as the rights of all Brandeis students."
Most chillingly, while the students acknowledged Ali had experienced "terrible things in her life," their bottom line was "we will not tolerate an attack at our faith."
And so they issued a fatwa: the invitation to Ali had to be rescinded. The school newspaper, The Justice (yes, the irony!) ran both a "news article" and an editorial denouncing the decision to give Ali an honorary degree.
Brandeis University president Fred Lawrence echoed the students (and a large number of faculty members, including the Women's Studies professors) in his statement:
Following a discussion today between President Frederick Lawrence and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ms. Hirsi Ali's name has been withdrawn as an honorary degree recipient at this year's commencement. She is a compelling public figure and advocate for women's rights, and we respect and appreciate her work to protect and defend the rights of women and girls throughout the world. That said, we cannot overlook certain of her past statements that are inconsistent with Brandeis University's core values. For all concerned, we regret that we were not aware of these statements earlier.
Commencement is about celebrating and honoring our extraordinary students and their accomplishments, and we are committed to providing an atmosphere that allows our community's focus to be squarely on our students. In the spirit of free expression that has defined Brandeis University throughout its history, Ms. Hirsi Ali is welcome to join us on campus in the future to engage in a dialogue about these important issues.
In other words, Ali's decades of devotion to helping women enslaved by misogynistic practitioners of the Muslim faith - who dominate the governments of Muslim countries - was neutered by the pronunciamento by students that they "would not tolerate an attack on [their] faith." And in still other words, on American campuses criticism of religion - which has been a fixture of campus life - is no longer permitted. What words, what thoughts will be deemed unacceptable next?
And this is a new trend. All manner of people have received honorary degrees from Brandeis, many of whom have been critical of other religions, particularly of Judaism and of the Jewish State.
Need one really trot out the many people who have received honorary degrees from Brandeis, a school founded by the Jewish community as a way to get around the strict quotas on the number of Jews who could attend high quality schools.
People such as Tony Kushner, who flatly stated that the creation of Israel as a Jewish State "was a mistake," who regularly accuses Israel of ethnic cleansing and of savagery and who blames the existence of the state of Israel for the "terrible peril in the world." Kushner received an honorary degree in 2006.
Then there is Desmond Tutu - a man widely revered for the work he did on behalf of South Africans, but who also is a rank anti-Semite. Tutu has compared Israel to Hitler, attacked the "Jewish lobby" as too "powerful" and "scary," he has sanitized the gas chambers of the Holocaust which he said made for a "neater death" than one under Apartheid, and he complained of the "Jewish monopoly of the Holocaust." He also insists that Jewish Holocaust victims should forgive the Nazis. Bishop Tutu received his honorary degree from Brandeis University in 2000.


The school administration buckled under to the Brandeis contingent of an increasingly entitled and belligerent faction on U.S. campuses who believe diversity, tolerance and justice only apply to positions and people whose views are consistent with their own. This goes not only for the students, as Bernadette Brooten, a Brandeis professof in the Near Eastern and Judaic Studies Department explained on the Facebook page denouncing Ali, "a group of 86 faculty members has signed a letter to President Lawrence, asking him to rescind the invitation.":peace
 
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More lies...You don't know what free speech is.

The case of Ayaan Hirsi Ali: cowardly Brandeis University capitulates to Islamist pressure – Telegraph Blogs
I was shocked to learn that Brandeis University, a liberal arts college in Massachusetts, has withdrawn its offer of an honorary degree to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the outspoken critic of female genital mutilation and a campaigner on behalf of Muslim women.
"We cannot overlook that certain of her past statements are inconsistent with Brandeis University's core values," the university said in a statement released yesterday, just eight days after announcing that Hirsi Ali would be awarded an honorary degree.
The change of heart was prompted by a well-organised campaign by various pro-Muslim groups, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations which sent a letter to Dr Frederick Lawrence, the President of Brandeis, referring to Hirsi Ali as a "notorious Islamophobe".
"She is one of the worst of the worst of the Islam haters in America, not only in America but worldwide," Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the group, said in an interview with the New York Times.
In addition, a Muslim student at Brandeis started a petition at change.orgaccusing Hirsi Ali of "hate speech". By way of evidence, the petition cited an interview she gave to the Evening Standard in 2007 in which she described Islam as "a destructive, nihilistic cult of death". In the same interview, she also said that "violence is inherent in Islam" and that "Islam is the new fascism".
This is an act of extraordinary cowardice on Brandeis's part. To accuse Hirsi Ali of "hate speech", which is defined as "any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which... may incite violence or prejudicial action against... a protected individual or group", is almost comically ironic. She was raised as a Muslim in Somalia, underwent circumcision at the age of five and was later forced into an arranged marriage with her cousin. She only escaped this fate by running away to Holland where she subsequently became a member of the Dutch Parliament.
As an MP, she highlighted the hypocrisy of the European Left for aggressively defending the rights of Muslims while, at the same time, turning a blind eye to the disregard for women's rights within Muslim communities. She started to receive death threats for her outspoken views from 2002, culminating in a note pinned to the corpse of murdered Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh saying she would be next. "Ayaan Hirsi Ali, you will break yourself to pieces on Islam," the letter said. "You, oh America, will go down. You, oh Europe, will go down ... You, oh Netherlands, will go down ... You, oh Hirsi Ali, will go down."
Defenders of Brandeis's decision will say that Hirsi Ali is guilty of tarring all Muslims with the same brush and that there's nothing inherently violent about Islam. Needless to say, she has often answered that charge. "People who ask me that question assume that geography is more important for Muslims than what is contained in the holy Quran," she says.
Of course the circumstances in which people live in Turkey are different from those in Morocco or Somalia. But when it comes to the relationship between men and women, in all these countries there is a red line of the woman being subordinate to the male. And most Muslim men justify this subordinacy with the Quran. There are so many meanings Europeans miss. We Muslims are brought up with the idea that there is just one relationship possible with God - submission. That's Islam: submission to the will of Allah.
Whether you agree with Hirsi Ali's Manichean view of Islam, she's entitled to express it without being bombarded with death threats or accused of "Islamophobia" which, in this context, amounts to "hate speech" since it's precisely that charge that has led to threats on her life. You would think that an American university would be a staunch defender of Hirsi Ali's right to free speech and wouldn't capitulate to a mob of politically correct Muslims at the first sign of trouble. If the same institution had offered an honorary degree to Richard Dawkins, it's simply inconceivable that it would change its mind after being attacked by Christians.
Everyone involved in this cowardly decision should be ashamed of themselves. As a liberal arts college, it should be a beacon of light. Instead, it has sent a clear message to everyone in the academic community that vigorous criticism of Islam won't be tolerated.:peace

 
I love how conservatives constantly bitch about the "liberalness" of academia and yet few of them have the proclivity to want to join the ranks of academia to "set it straight."
 
I love how conservatives constantly bitch about the "liberalness" of academia and yet few of them have the proclivity to want to join the ranks of academia to "set it straight."

I was there for a time early in life but opportunities for historians were virtually non-existent in the mid-1970's. I went another direction. In recent years the iberal academic nomenklatura has closed ranks to make conservative entry difficult.:peace
 
The case of Ayaan Hirsi Ali: cowardly Brandeis University capitulates to Islamist pressure – Telegraph Blogs
I was shocked to learn that Brandeis University, a liberal arts college in Massachusetts, has withdrawn its offer of an honorary degree to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the outspoken critic of female genital mutilation and a campaigner on behalf of Muslim women.
"We cannot overlook that certain of her past statements are inconsistent with Brandeis University's core values," the university said in a statement released yesterday, just eight days after announcing that Hirsi Ali would be awarded an honorary degree.
The change of heart was prompted by a well-organised campaign by various pro-Muslim groups, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations which sent a letter to Dr Frederick Lawrence, the President of Brandeis, referring to Hirsi Ali as a "notorious Islamophobe".
"She is one of the worst of the worst of the Islam haters in America, not only in America but worldwide," Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the group, said in an interview with the New York Times.
In addition, a Muslim student at Brandeis started a petition at change.orgaccusing Hirsi Ali of "hate speech". By way of evidence, the petition cited an interview she gave to the Evening Standard in 2007 in which she described Islam as "a destructive, nihilistic cult of death". In the same interview, she also said that "violence is inherent in Islam" and that "Islam is the new fascism".
This is an act of extraordinary cowardice on Brandeis's part. To accuse Hirsi Ali of "hate speech", which is defined as "any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which... may incite violence or prejudicial action against... a protected individual or group", is almost comically ironic. She was raised as a Muslim in Somalia, underwent circumcision at the age of five and was later forced into an arranged marriage with her cousin. She only escaped this fate by running away to Holland where she subsequently became a member of the Dutch Parliament.
As an MP, she highlighted the hypocrisy of the European Left for aggressively defending the rights of Muslims while, at the same time, turning a blind eye to the disregard for women's rights within Muslim communities. She started to receive death threats for her outspoken views from 2002, culminating in a note pinned to the corpse of murdered Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh saying she would be next. "Ayaan Hirsi Ali, you will break yourself to pieces on Islam," the letter said. "You, oh America, will go down. You, oh Europe, will go down ... You, oh Netherlands, will go down ... You, oh Hirsi Ali, will go down."
Defenders of Brandeis's decision will say that Hirsi Ali is guilty of tarring all Muslims with the same brush and that there's nothing inherently violent about Islam. Needless to say, she has often answered that charge. "People who ask me that question assume that geography is more important for Muslims than what is contained in the holy Quran," she says.
Of course the circumstances in which people live in Turkey are different from those in Morocco or Somalia. But when it comes to the relationship between men and women, in all these countries there is a red line of the woman being subordinate to the male. And most Muslim men justify this subordinacy with the Quran. There are so many meanings Europeans miss. We Muslims are brought up with the idea that there is just one relationship possible with God - submission. That's Islam: submission to the will of Allah.
Whether you agree with Hirsi Ali's Manichean view of Islam, she's entitled to express it without being bombarded with death threats or accused of "Islamophobia" which, in this context, amounts to "hate speech" since it's precisely that charge that has led to threats on her life. You would think that an American university would be a staunch defender of Hirsi Ali's right to free speech and wouldn't capitulate to a mob of politically correct Muslims at the first sign of trouble. If the same institution had offered an honorary degree to Richard Dawkins, it's simply inconceivable that it would change its mind after being attacked by Christians.
Everyone involved in this cowardly decision should be ashamed of themselves. As a liberal arts college, it should be a beacon of light. Instead, it has sent a clear message to everyone in the academic community that vigorous criticism of Islam won't be tolerated.:peace


still her free speech is intact. There is a huge debate in the Jewish community and the Brandies community over this. That is irrelevant to the point that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a person who uses hate speech.
 
still her free speech is intact. There is a huge debate in the Jewish community and the Brandies community over this. That is irrelevant to the point that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a person who uses hate speech.

Just more propaganda from you. "Hate speech" = speech you don't like.:roll:
 
still her free speech is intact. There is a huge debate in the Jewish community and the Brandies community over this. That is irrelevant to the point that Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a person who uses hate speech.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali in her own words:

" . . . Not content with a public disavowal, Brandeis has invited me “to join us on campus in the future to engage in a dialogue about these important issues.” Sadly, in words and deeds, the university has already spoken its piece. I have no wish to “engage” in such one-sided dialogue. I can only wish the Class of 2014 the best of luck — and hope that they will go forth to be better advocates for free expression and free thought than their alma mater.




I take this opportunity to thank all those who have supported me and my work on behalf of oppressed woman and girls everywhere.":peace



Ayaan Hirsi Ali Responds to Brandeis University - TIME

time.com/.../ayaan-hirsi-ali-they-simply-wanted-me-to-be-silenced/‎Time


Apr 9, 2014 - On Tuesday, officials at Brandeis University backed off granting an honorary ... Here is Ali's statement in response to the university's actions: ...
 
Ayaan Hirsi Ali in her own words:

" . . . Not content with a public disavowal, Brandeis has invited me “to join us on campus in the future to engage in a dialogue about these important issues.” Sadly, in words and deeds, the university has already spoken its piece. I have no wish to “engage” in such one-sided dialogue. I can only wish the Class of 2014 the best of luck — and hope that they will go forth to be better advocates for free expression and free thought than their alma mater.




I take this opportunity to thank all those who have supported me and my work on behalf of oppressed woman and girls everywhere.":peace



Ayaan Hirsi Ali Responds to Brandeis University - TIME

time.com/.../ayaan-hirsi-ali-they-simply-wanted-me-to-be-silenced/‎Time


Apr 9, 2014 - On Tuesday, officials at Brandeis University backed off granting an honorary ... Here is Ali's statement in response to the university's actions: ...

Plans to give her an honorary degree for her work on behalf of women, which included stopping genital mutiiation of women and girls, went out the window, I guess, when the Muslim activists objected! This is such :bs: that it turns my stomach! Why would Brandeis ever cave on a thing like that? Disgusting! :2mad:

Good afternoon, Jack. :2wave:
 
Plans to give her an honorary degree for her work on behalf of women, which included stopping genital mutiiation of women and girls, went out the window, I guess, when the Muslim activists objected! This is such :bs: that it turns my stomach! Why would Brandeis ever cave on a thing like that? Disgusting! :2mad:

Good afternoon, Jack. :2wave:

Happy Sunday, Polgara.:2wave:

Only academics could contort their consciences enough for this.:roll:
 
I have no wish to comment on the controversy at Brandeis. I don't know very much about it, and don't work at Brandeis or have any friends that do. I also don't know about Ali's work, so I'm in no position to comment.

I am, however, in a position to comment on the OP itself, which seems to claim that academia as such is a bastion of liberalism into which conservatives, for political rather than academic reasons, are denied entry. I can only speak for my own department on this point. We don't quiz potential graduate students on their political leanings. Someone who was a thoroughgoing conservative could well be admitted to our Ph.D. program and it's likely that we wouldn't learn of this until after the fact. We invest so much in graduate students that it would be a department-shaking mess to try to kick one out, or force one out, for their political leanings. Despite this, I cannot think of a single graduate student who was a genuine conservative in my entire time in academia.

I never penalize anyone for holding any view in any of my classes, provided they can give a coherent argument for why they hold it, with premises that do a tolerable job of resembling reality. I've had quite a few conservative students in my undergrad classes. If I'm doing my job, I challenge my students' views in such a way that one of two things will happen: either they'll drop out, or they'll realize that the conceptual material with which they came out of high school is inadequate to represent reality in anything like a tolerably good manner. I take it that one mark of an educated mind is an appreciation of the complexity of the world and the plethora of other views available. What seems to happen so often is that conservative students simply cannot tolerate that kind of challenge, and as a result, cannot string together a coherent argument.

This is a pity, because I do think there are some valid points in conservatism. The notion that personal responsibility is paramount is, if a little extreme to be correct (just as is the liberal notion that social responsibility is paramount), worthy of consideration. It forms one end of an axis on which our political views ought to turn. You can have esprit d'corps all you like; if every member of your team is a weakling, you're going to lose. I think there's also something to be said for tradition. Edmund Burke made a very good point when he pointed out that social engineering is something that should be done with even more forethought than goes into starting a war. Old social conventions have at least this going for them: they work. I think liberals too often lose sight of this fact in the gleeful exuberance of marching forward on the path of progress. Sometimes progress, even radical change, is needed. But not for its own sake.

For whatever reason, however, conservative students tend not to make these points, and often cannot be made to understand the opposing point of view in a sympathetic light, which is necessary before anyone can consider themselves educated, at least in my view. It's a mark of conservatism to be intolerant of political or social innovation, while just the opposite is true of liberals. Education should not merely expose students to other points of view, it should force them to see the good in those points of view. If we're looking for a reason there aren't many conservatives in academia, I suspect what I've described is more or less the main one.
 
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Just more propaganda from you. "Hate speech" = speech you don't like.:roll:

no hate speech is when you call 1 billion people part of a blood thirsty cult.
 
no hate speech is when you call 1 billion people part of a blood thirsty cult.

I'll worry about hurting Muslims' feelings when it becomes possible to open the First Baptist Church of Riyadh. For the record, I don't believe there are such things as hate crimes or hate speech. There are only crimes and speech.:peace
 
I'll worry about hurting Muslims' feelings when it becomes possible to open the First Baptist Church of Riyadh. For the record, I don't believe there are such things as hate crimes or hate speech. There are only crimes and speech.:peace

Because you don't believe them doesn't mean they aren't real.

BTW is you are going to treat all Muslims as the Wahabbists treat you how does that make you any better than them.
 
So as someone who has a fairly intimate relationship with some of the people who opposed her your characterization is garbage.

Is this your way of saying your being in bed with Islamists isn't just figurative?
 
Is this your way of saying your being in bed with Islamists isn't just figurative?

This is an idiotic statement, and I am sorry your hate blinds you even to the English language
 
The supposed cradles of free inquiry and debate are in fact the places where they are in danger of being strangled. Our students and our society are the poorer for it.

The Closing of the Academic Mind - William Kristol, Weekly Standard

"From Brandeis on the Atlantic to Azusa on the Pacific, an iron curtain has descended across academia. Behind that line lie all the classrooms of the ancient schools of America. Wesleyan, Brown, Princeton, Vassar, Bryn Mawr, Berkeley, Bowdoin, and Stanford, all these famous colleges and the populations within them lie in what we must call the Liberal sphere, and all are subject in one form or another, not only to influence but to a very high and, in many cases, increasing measure of control from the commissars of Liberal Orthodoxy. .  .  .":peace

Lost in these sorts of debates is the fact that it is Ms. Hirsi who is the actual advocate for liberalism.

THose who wish to silence her and who view Islamism as so inviolate that they would attack her for wishing to empower Muslim women aren't just operating from a conservative standpoint, but one that is so archly regressive as to represent the very antithesis of liberalism.
 
This is an idiotic statement, and I am sorry your hate blinds you even to the English language

You attack a women who has experienced genital mutilation at the hands of her ooppressors,and you call ME hateful?
 
You attack a women who has experienced genital mutilation at the hands of her ooppressors,and you call ME hateful?

you are hateful and so is she.
She acts exactly as someone who was mugged by a black man and joins the KKK
her words are hateful, that is fact, your support of her supports hate.

I have a hard time believing some of her story since she is an admitted liar.
 
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