The End of Obedience

[Evilroddy]

In the Leviathan, chapter 21, Thomas Hobbes states “ The end of obedience is protection.” Hobbes is referring to the social contract theory between the sovereign and its subjects. The social contract theory describes the relationship the sovereign has with its subjects, in Hobbes [sic] cases, subjects trade there own personal freedom to obey to the sovereign only if the sovereign can protect their subjects. He believed that the goal/ only purpose for subjects to obey is to be protected by the sovereign, whether that is in civil war, foreign invasions, an act of aggression by a fellow subject, or an unjust and unstable justice system. If the subject does not feel protected by these threats, the subject has the absolute right to disobey the sovereign.

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Free Essay: In the Leviathan, chapter 21, Thomas Hobbes states “ The end of obedience is protection.” Hobbes is referring to the social contract theory...

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The US Government is engaged in a programme of policy decisions which will harm and make less secure the lives of Most American citizens. Tariffs are illegal taxes been imposed on them without representation by the Administration which is acting outside its mandate and jurisdiction. That same Administration is putting military personnel on American territory to intimidate states and the American citizens in those states into compliance with the Administration's policies. The Administration is undermining alliances which protect the American people from war and conflict and is supporting regimes which are using war, war crimes, crimes against humanity, mass killing and even genocide, further destabilising the fragile peace of much of the world, including the peace and safety of the American people. These are but a few of the examples of the many ways that the US Government is attacking and harming the US polis directly.

It is time for the American public to cease to be an obedient polis as the social contract and the constitution of the United States are in tatters. This point must be driven home before the mid-term elections. Therefore it is time for millions of Americans to withdraw their obedience from the present US Government and to enter the streets en masse in peaceful protest and denial of work/mobility/consumption in order to provoke a draconian crackdown by the authoritarians of the Administratio which ends up with the state trying to kill or wound its own peaceful but noncompliant citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights. This will create a tipping point which will force all American citizens to choose whether to accept subjugation under an authoritarian regime or to defy and remove that authoritarian regime from power by the ballot box in 2026 during the mid-term elections to preserve their liberties and their republic.

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks

Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.

civilrights.org

Therefore be it resolved that the American people must exercise their rights and shed their obedience and compliance to a state which is determined to harm them in a wide spectrum of ways in order to create the conditions to remove that government by peaceful means using the ballot box.

Debate.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hmm… yet another republicants are icky so vote for demorats (in the 2026 mid-term elections) thread.

 

[eohrnberger]

"The End of Obedience"
The 'Obedience' which needs to end is the 'Obedience' to the Dems, Libs, and Progs' public policy prescriptions which lack common sense and incentivize the absolutely wrong thing, causing yet more problems, i.e. failing as a public policy.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Who cares what a Canadian subject thinks about what free men and women should do?

 

[lynnwinslow]

Who cares what a Canadian subject thinks about what free men and women should do?

FREE SPEECH!

 

[Tangmo]

Therefore be it resolved that the American people must exercise their rights and shed their obedience and compliance to a state which is determined to harm them in a wide spectrum of ways in order to create the conditions to remove that government by peaceful means using the ballot box.

Debate.

Alas now I know what Cabin Fever looks like.

Which leaves no reason to say any more about any of it.

You'll just have to ride this one out that's all. Come back to your senses. Trump-Miller will never allow or accept another free and fair election.

 

[Allan]

Who cares what a Canadian subject thinks about what free men and women should do?

Another member of Trix's "foreigners can't comment on America's politics!!!" club.

And yet he has hundreds of posts in the International Politics section of the forum.

 

[j brown's body]

"The End of Obedience"
The 'Obedience' which needs to end is the 'Obedience' to the Dems, Libs, and Progs' public policy prescriptions which lack common sense and incentivize the absolutely wrong thing, causing yet more problems, i.e. failing as a public policy.

Such as?

 

[JMB1911A1]

FREE SPEECH!

They don’t have free speech in Canada. That is why they come down here to spew their hatred.

 

[Allan]

They don’t have free speech in Canada. That is why they come down here to spew their hatred.

Freedom Index
US 8.39
Canada 8.55

Freedom Index by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[lynnwinslow]

They don’t have free speech in Canada. That is why they come down here to spew their hatred.

Oh, it's a reading comprehension issue. Never mind. Have a good one.

 

[eohrnberger]

Such as?

No cash bail, DAs which actually charge criminals, rather than to release them to commit more crimes off the top of my head.

A further list would include:

So you are demanding examples?
OK. Take your pick from any of the ones listed below.

1. Abolishing the Electoral College
2. Defunding the Police
3. Abolishing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
4. Support for Trans Women Competing in Women’s Sports
5. Open Borders or Loosely Enforced Immigration
6. Expanding Supreme Court (“Court Packing”)
7. Reparations for Slavery
8. Total Ban on Private Health Insurance (Medicare for All)
9. Support for Decriminalizing All Drugs

. . . .

 

[JMB1911A1]

Freedom Index
US 8.39
Canada 8.55

Freedom Index by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

So, no significant advantage to Canada based on arbitrary standards. You guys need to do better job on making up standards to support your conclusions.

 

[Allan]

So, no significant advantage to Canada based on arbitrary standards. You guys need to do better job on making up standards to support your conclusions.

Press freedom by country
US 65.49
Canada 78.75

World Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JMB1911A1]

Press freedom by country
US 65.49
Canada 78.75

World Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia bias influences how one’s perception of reality is perceived

House Republicans’ decision to launch an investigation into “bad actors” manipulating Wikipedia entries is such welcome news.

nypost.com

 

[j brown's body]

No cash bail, DAs which actually charge criminals, rather than to release them to commit more crimes off the top of my head.

A further list would include:

Trump himself signed this bill into law.

"In June 2024, the Department of Justice released its fourth annual report assessing the impact and effectiveness of the First Step Act of 2018. This landmark legislation aimed to mitigate the harsh sentencing practices that fueled the mass incarceration crisis in the United States, as well as introduce critical reforms to improve conditions within federal prisons."

Analyzing the First Step Act’s Impact on Criminal Justice

Backed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers, the 2018 law made important changes to federal sentencing rules and provided much-needed prison reforms.

www.brennancenter.org

Listing right-wing talking points isn't evidence. Provide evidence of bills Democrats introduced that lead to the things listed here.

 

[Peacenik]

If the American people were going to do that it would have happened already.

 

[eohrnberger]

Trump himself signed this bill into law.

"In June 2024, the Department of Justice released its fourth annual report assessing the impact and effectiveness of the First Step Act of 2018. This landmark legislation aimed to mitigate the harsh sentencing practices that fueled the mass incarceration crisis in the United States, as well as introduce critical reforms to improve conditions within federal prisons."

Analyzing the First Step Act’s Impact on Criminal Justice

Backed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers, the 2018 law made important changes to federal sentencing rules and provided much-needed prison reforms.

www.brennancenter.org

Listing right-wing talking points isn't evidence. Provide evidence of bills Democrats introduced that lead to the things listed here.

Why?
You wouldn't accept them anyway, their not being able to make it past your ideological blinders, so what's the point?

 

[j brown's body]

Why?
You wouldn't accept them anyway, their not being able to make it past your ideological blinders, so what's the point?

I don't blame you. I've already shown how Trump supported something you blame on the Dems. Quit while you're behind.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

From:

Thomas Hobbes The End Of Obedience Is Protection - 619 Words | Bartleby

Free Essay: In the Leviathan, chapter 21, Thomas Hobbes states “ The end of obedience is protection.” Hobbes is referring to the social contract theory...

www.bartleby.com

The US Government is engaged in a programme of policy decisions which will harm and make less secure the lives of Most American citizens. Tariffs are illegal taxes been imposed on them without representation by the Administration which is acting outside its mandate and jurisdiction. That same Administration is putting military personnel on American territory to intimidate states and the American citizens in those states into compliance with the Administration's policies. The Administration is undermining alliances which protect the American people from war and conflict and is supporting regimes which are using war, war crimes, crimes against humanity, mass killing and even genocide, further destabilising the fragile peace of much of the world, including the peace and safety of the American people. These are but a few of the examples of the many ways that the US Government is attacking and harming the US polis directly.

It is time for the American public to cease to be an obedient polis as the social contract and the constitution of the United States are in tatters. This point must be driven home before the mid-term elections. Therefore it is time for millions of Americans to withdraw their obedience from the present US Government and to enter the streets en masse in peaceful protest and denial of work/mobility/consumption in order to provoke a draconian crackdown by the authoritarians of the Administratio which ends up with the state trying to kill or wound its own peaceful but noncompliant citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights. This will create a tipping point which will force all American citizens to choose whether to accept subjugation under an authoritarian regime or to defy and remove that authoritarian regime from power by the ballot box in 2026 during the mid-term elections to preserve their liberties and their republic.

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks

Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.

civilrights.org

Therefore be it resolved that the American people must exercise their rights and shed their obedience and compliance to a state which is determined to harm them in a wide spectrum of ways in order to create the conditions to remove that government by peaceful means using the ballot box.

Debate.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy

The Declaration of Independence lays all of it out quite clearly, and since Trump sees himself AS a king, he is therefore the 21st century equivalent of the madness of King George III.

 

[Evilroddy]

Alas now I know what Cabin Fever looks like.

Which leaves no reason to say any more about any of it.

You'll just have to ride this one out that's all. Come back to your senses. Trump-Miller will never allow or accept another free and fair election.

That's the point Tangmo. Force their hands before it's too late and then hope for a mutiny of some or all the military on the side of "we the people" when the Government starts shooting unarmed and peaceful, albeit really annoying, protesters.
Take the power back from them or make their rule unmanageable and none profitable.

No cabin fever here. Just trying to wake our southern cousins up as they sleep-walk collectively into subjugation.

Be well, be wise and be a little less safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

The Declaration of Independence lays all of it out quite clearly, and since Trump sees himself AS a king, he is therefore the 21st century equivalent of the madness of King George III.

CBS:

Time to tip the pretender's crown from the unanointed head before it is too late. King TACO the First must be frightened by the masses and his henchmen scattered to the winds. Everyone who values their liberty should chip in. You're a music producer and camera professional right. Start churning out songs and short films which attack the legitimacy of the Trump administration in the most embarrassing and humorously contemptuous way. Assassinate Trump's image and brand but leave his body whole for the courts to deal with. No violence, just non-cooperation, no obedience and paralysis caused by millions refusing to do what they are told and laughing openly at those who try to make them bend the knee.

Good luck down there.
Evilroddy.

 

[Lord of Planar]

"The End of Obedience"
The 'Obedience' which needs to end is the 'Obedience' to the Dems, Libs, and Progs' public policy prescriptions which lack common sense and incentivize the absolutely wrong thing, causing yet more problems, i.e. failing as a public policy.

No kidding. If anyone is obedient to political whims, it is the democrats.

 

[Tangmo]

That's the point Tangmo. Force their hands before it's too late and then hope for a mutiny of some or all the military on the side of "we the people" when the Government starts shooting unarmed and peaceful, albeit really annoying, protesters.
Take the power back from them or make their rule unmanageable and none profitable.

No cabin fever here. Just trying to wake our southern cousins up as they sleep-walk collectively into subjugation.

Here's your statement in the OP I contested and to which you are replying....

Therefore be it resolved that the American people must exercise their rights and shed their obedience and compliance to a state which is determined to harm them in a wide spectrum of ways in order to create the conditions to remove that government by peaceful means using the ballot box.

Debate.

Your posts are completely contradictory. Your "That's the point Tangmo" is not the point at all of your OP that contradicts your reply above.

And "hope" is a misspelling of the classic liberal words "help me!"

What I said about Cabin Fever definitely applies to your thread and posts that say opposite things.

 

[Evilroddy]

Hmm… yet another republicants are icky so vote for demorats (in the 2026 mid-term elections) thread.

No ttwtt8640:

It's a get off your arses and defend your constitution and republic before you lose it, thread. This time the minutemen and women will use volleys of laughter and derision rather than powder and shotte to defend their republic from the TACO who would be king and his Star Chamber minions.

Any society require the obedience of the population. Deny that and the society reforms or collapses. If the state uses violence then it will only swell the ranks of the laughing legions and mirthful maniples.

"Sic semper tyrannis" with a million smiles and a million moons or farts. Unleash the Praetorian jesters and costumed fools to drive the fool in chief and his retinue from power. Authoritarians fear humour and ridicule more than pitch forks and scythes.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.