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The Elephant in the Room

The argument is about post-conception, pre-birth opt-out equality.
That already exists. "You're WHAT?........... That's it. I'm outta here. Have and nice life kiddo"What you are asking for it to make it cultural acceptable.
 
How is it a problem?

I am pro-choice for the mother... 100%.

I would like to see more equality of choice...

I am firmly against pro-life as that creates a class of women in involuntary servitude.

Yes... and that is a Red Herring. The argument is about post-conception, pre-birth opt-out equality.

There's no red herring, there's just you denying the facts and real life:

Because there is no child.

Perhaps you should read the OP a few times so that you better understand the argument at hand.

Why do you lie? You know there's nothing, no agreement, no contract, that she can be held to for having the kid anyway. So she can still have the kid and the manipulative opt-out is null and void if there IS a kid. Why do you lie when you know this? When you have posted this:

That has happened and been thrown out by the Judge. Pre-birth contracts are irrelevant compared to the interest of the child.

So you can make any opt-out scam you want...it's useless if she decides to have the kid anyway. And if there's a kid, the child's statutory right to support from both parents supersedes anything, any contract or agreement, that the parents agreed to.

There's nothing legally binding about the opt-out scam, you admit it. It's just to scare and manipulate the woman into aborting to try and preserve the relationship (which would be stupid with a guy like that. He's doing her a favor walking away.)
 
That already exists. "You're WHAT?........... That's it. I'm outta here. Have and nice life kiddo"What you are asking for it to make it cultural acceptable.
I am not sure what you are "You're WHAT-ing"

That I am Pro-Choice?
 
Oh, com on. Nobody is that obtuse.
I guess I am. I read it again and still have no idea what you are talking about/implying.
 
I understand. You are unable to deal with the argument as presented.
That is your code for giving up.

You made the mistake of saying equal rights. deal with it instead of trying to run from it.
 
That is your code for giving up.

You made the mistake of saying equal rights. deal with it instead of trying to run from it.

He's never identified any rights that men are denied and also doesnt seem to realize that women no longer have a right to abortion in any state. It's just 'allowed' in some. What rights do you think he's talking about?
 
He's never identified any rights that men are denied and also doesnt seem to realize that women no longer have a right to abortion in any state. It's just 'allowed' in some. What rights do you think he's talking about?
He started this op with the words.

Regarding equal rights between men and women becoming parents.
Equal rights is a worthless notion tried by an idiotic hypocrite of a slave owner who wrote a letter to a king as a poor excuse to justify a war. And most americans are silly enough to buy into it
 
He started this op with the words.

I'm not aware of that 'right.' People are entitled to reproduce, this is true. But women no longer even have a right to abortion.

Equal rights is a worthless notion tried by an idiotic hypocrite of a slave owner who wrote a letter to a king as a poor excuse to justify a war. And most americans are silly enough to buy into it

It has benefitted minorities and women in the US. The scam he proposes only harms kids, taxpayers, and society.
 
I'm not aware of that 'right.' People are entitled to reproduce, this is true. But women no longer even have a right to abortion.



It has benefitted minorities and women in the US. The scam he proposes only harms kids, taxpayers, and society.
Which means as I said the idea of equal rights is crap.

Disagree all the idea of rights being equal only works if we all agree that we are all white, all men and all wealthy.

As you pointed out being a woman and being equal to a male is not happening.

And then there is always the old joke of why would women want to lower themselves to that level of equality.
 
That is your code for giving up.

You made the mistake of saying equal rights. deal with it instead of trying to run from it.
Lack of equal rights... that is exactly what it is.
 
Oh. I guess the Bill of Rights is a hoax then....
Your constitution is written to give rights only to men who are white and own land. Completely ignores the existence of women or any other group.
 
Your constitution is written to give rights only to men who are white and own land. Completely ignores the existence of women or any other group.
Incorrect.
 
One word replies just tells me you cannot be bothered If your hearts not in the debate then why bother.
I am waiting for you to argue in context, the point of the OP.
 
Right... but they should be.
No they should not. Because it make absolutely no sense at all.

All it is, is a claim that we are all the same and the hidden text to that is that we are all white and males.
 
No they should not. Because it make absolutely no sense at all.
To you... makes no sense to you. But it does make sense... perfect sense.
All it is, is a claim that we are all the same and the hidden text to that is that we are all white and males.
You manage to toss racism into some of the strangest topics... LOL
 
To you... makes no sense to you. But it does make sense... perfect sense.

You manage to toss racism into some of the strangest topics... LOL
How, in what way is everyone equal?
Of course it is racist. That is the [point that the constitution is racist. It was written by and benefits only the wealthy white man.
 
How, in what way is everyone equal?
Do you actually not understand what "Equal Rights" means?
Of course it is racist. That is the [point that the constitution is racist. It was written by and benefits only the wealthy white man.
LOL

...and you also have no idea what the power of the Constitution is and how it translates to everybody.
 
Do you actually not understand what "Equal Rights" means?

LOL

...and you also have no idea what the power of the Constitution is and how it translates to everybody.
I did say it to someone. It means we are all white, we are all male, we are all christians , we are all ( ad nauseum)

It's not to hard to figure out the power of the constitution if you read what some women are enduring because of it. It is being translated by people with special interests other than the people. It has no more value than the bible.
 
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