The Elephant in the Room

[Lursa]

Dictate is your stupid word and just you lying some more... that said, tons of people don't think poor people should have kids that they can not afford or care for properly. Why do you encourage people to have kids that they know they can not care for properly? Why do you hate children? Honest question...

Why are you lying about what BirdinHand says? NOWHERE has she supported "encouraging people to have kids they cant afford." Is that all you have to debate? Your own lies? This is what you end up reduced to when people prove you wrong, you mischaracterize their posts into convenient lies...That's not debate, that's the desperation of another failure.

 

[Citizen]

Not forced but incentivized. Poor uneducated people in the realm of drugs and gangs or poor life circumstances should not be having children. Any person that cares about children should feel that way. Anybody against this actually hates children, to be honest.

I am not going to go as far as to say they should not have children, but I will say that they should have access to free abortions, contraception and prenatal care

 

[soylentgreen]

Regarding equal rights between men and women becoming parents... the Elephant in the Room is that those that argue a man is bound by a woman's choice neatly ignore that a woman can and should have an abortion if she can not care for the child on her own. All of a sudden this choice that she has becomes a certainty that she will have the child regardless or that if she does he is bound by her decision.

The whole reason for pro-choice is to make the best choice... not just the best choice for the woman. Although she is not bound by him anymore and forced to pay for a child he should not be bound to her and forced to pay for a child.

What if he died post-conception but pre-birth... the mother would have to make a choice. That is no different than if the man wants to walk away... she has to make a choice. This is expressly what most dishonest debaters regarding this issue avoid. She can force society should he die or be jobless... nobody bats an eye at her choice... brave proud mother! Right? Nobody cries about the burden on the taxpayers... because she exercised her choice.... but if there is a man there then all of a sudden he has to pay for her choice and if he does not the y'all are mad as hell... insulting him and such... but she is doing the same exact thing... brining a baby into a world that she can not support on her own.

Just an interesting way to look at it...

It is not the woman who is forcing the male to own up to their own actions. It is the government trying to claim back on the expenses of raising a child by getting those involved with creating that child. Which includes the male.
You are correct. In countries that acknowledge that parents need financial support no one cries out about the burden on taxpayers except for those who also cry out on the burden of men who have to pay for what they did.

 

[soylentgreen]

Not forced but incentivized. Poor uneducated people in the realm of drugs and gangs or poor life circumstances should not be having children. Any person that cares about children should feel that way. Anybody against this actually hates children, to be honest.

So your suggesting eugenics. Only the wealthy should breed.

 

[Bodi]

Where have I done that?

Repeatedly... but I don't expect any honesty from you. Jeez... just look at who is "Liking" your post.

 

[soylentgreen]

Dictate is your stupid word and just you lying some more... that said, tons of people don't think poor people should have kids that they can not afford or care for properly. Why do you encourage people to have kids that they know they can not care for properly? Why do you hate children? Honest question...

So your argument is that poor people are not capable of raising children. Is it that no children of wealthy families ever commit a crime, get hooked on drugs.

 

[Bodi]

I am not going to go as far as to say they should not have children, but I will say that they should have access to free abortions, contraception and prenatal care

I am not sayin that they should not either... I am saying that they should be heavily encouraged to not have the kids. I see these kids daily... they are a mess. No future. Etc. What I find sad is that we see people here, @BirdinHand and @Lursa and others not caring about that. Just so long as the woman can make any choice she wants... how it affects others be damned.

 

[Lursa]

Repeatedly... but I don't expect any honesty from you. Jeez... just look at who is "Liking" your post.

Hey, prove it. Instead of hiding...quote where she said it. You called her out on her statements...quote where she made them.

 

[Bodi]

So your argument is that poor people are not capable of raising children.

Not capable of raising their kids to get out of the poverty cycle or out of gangs or to not do drugs like they are... yes.

It is not so much an argument as it is undeniable facts.

 

[Lursa]

I am not sayin that they should not either... I am saying that they should be heavily encouraged to not have the kids. I see these kids daily... they are a mess. No future. Etc. What I find sad is that we see people here, @BirdinHand and @Lursa and others not caring about that. Just so long as the woman can make any choice she wants... how it affects others be damned.

LMAO, I distinctly wrote the opposite in the 3rd post in your thread. Your posts are so blind and stupid it's mind-boggling.

 

[soylentgreen]

Not capable of raising their kids to get out of the poverty cycle or out of gangs or to not do drugs like they are... yes.

It is not so much an argument as it is undeniable facts.

And again I ask. Is your solution eugenics. By " incentivising " the poor not to get pregnant. Because only the wealthy are capable of raising children who do not get into gangs or crime or drugs.

 

[BirdinHand]

I am not sayin that they should not either... I am saying that they should be heavily encouraged to not have the kids. I see these kids daily... they are a mess. No future. Etc. What I find sad is that we see people here, @BirdinHand and @Lursa and others not caring about that. Just so long as the woman can make any choice she wants... how it affects others be damned.

One of these days, maybe, you’ll learn when it’s a good time to stop digging.

 

[renee]

Should have titled this thread "The Dead Horse in the Room". Or maybe it was an Elephant to begin with and now unrecognizable having been beaten so severely.

He’s on another thread, defending fathers not supporting the children they create, but I guess he’s desperate to find more people who agree with him

 

[Bodi]

And again I ask. Is your solution eugenics.

No. What I have said is not eugenics.

By " incentivising " the poor not to get pregnant.

If it works.

Because only the wealthy are capable of raising children who do not get into gangs or crime or drugs.

That is your invention.

 

[Lursa]

He’s on another thread, defending fathers not supporting the children they create, but I guess he’s desperate to find more people who agree with him

LOL He's not only defending it, he's promoting it. The High Road all the way there!

 

[BirdinHand]

No. What I have said is not eugenics.

If it works.

That is your invention.

You didn’t say eugenics in THIS thread…but the conversation around them exists in the archives.

Where you’ve said:

population growth in resposible and educated countries is not rising much, and in many, it is falling...Why should we have to make up for the irresponsible and uneducated.

something else will come along that decimates their populations. Nature has a way of balancing things out.

simple form of eugenics should be implemented immediately so as to prohibit birth to anyone who is not cable of providing for all a child's needs on their own (whether that be single or couple).

Dang guy... you are cool. I dig your style, no ****.

So, tell us again - how you don’t support eugenics and aren’t promoting eugenics with this thread?

 

[Bodi]

One of these days, maybe, you’ll learn when it’s a good time to stop digging.

Have to find the truth that you have buried so long ago, somehow.

 

[Bodi]

You didn’t say eugenics in THIS thread…but the conversation around them exists in the archives.

Where you’ve said:

No quote. It is a lie then.

 

[Bodi]

You didn’t say eugenics in THIS thread…but the conversation around them exists in the archives.

Where you’ve said:

No quote. It is a lie then.

 

[Bodi]

He’s on another thread, defending fathers not supporting the children they create,

That is a lie... but then again you think that 1+1=3.

but I guess he’s desperate to find more people who agree with him

Many do... quite a few women as well. They have just not posted in the threads yet.

 

[BirdinHand]

No quote. It is a lie then.

LOL.

Feel free to do a search on eugenics and your user name, the quote feature doesn’t work in the archives.

I’m sorry if you’ve forgotten about your prior talks of eugenics here and have to eat your words.

 

[Lursa]

No quote. It is a lie then.

Funny...how many times have I posted that to you? And yet...no such quotes appear Your posts get more hypocritical every minute.

 

[Bodi]

LOL.

Feel free to do a search on eugenics and your user name, the quote feature doesn’t work in the archives.

I’m sorry if you’ve forgotten about your prior talks of eugenics here and have to eat your words.

If you make an allegation you should be ready and able to back it up with proof.

Otherwise... it is just another @BirdinHand lie. LOL

 

[Lursa]

If you make an allegation you should be ready and able to back it up with proof.

Otherwise... it is just another @BirdinHand lie. LOL

Yup...keep that in mind the next time you try the same unsupported, unquoted lies. I think this one's a keeper for OneNote.

 

[BirdinHand]

Here you go, will screen shots make you feelbetter.