alex said:Don't ask, don't tell is a joke. I was in the Air Force and I did not keep being gay from anyone. Everyone knew and no one cared. As long as I did what was expected of me while on duty, I could do what I wanted to do off duty. Most of my friends in the military even went to gay bars with me. When we would talk about me being gay during work and a higher ranking person was there, they would say that they could not listen to it and they would leave the area.
Navy Pride said:It made be a joke in the air force where you live in private rooms like a hotel but in the Navy aboard ship where you have 100 men berthed in and area as big as your living room its no joke............
Deegan said:It's a great policy, why would anyone want to discuss this with people at their place of employment? If you are talking with a friend, they already know, and would keep it private, as it should be. If you want to scream to the world you're gay, walk in a parade, but while at work, just keep it to yourself. I certainly wouldn't want to take a shower with girls at work, and I suspect the same would be true in a military situation. You have to respect others beliefs, and issues as well, no matter how close minded they may seem.
vergiss said:Meanwhile, one of my friends' brothers was in the Army and became severely depressed. They wouldn't honourably discharge him. They even refused to get him any medical attention, instead telling him he was just weak. It took a near-fatal suicide attempt before they smelt the roses - and gave him a dishonourable discharge.
Naughty Nurse said:Straight people naturally refer to their spouse / boyfriend / girlfriend, and nobody says that this is "screaming to the world that they're straight." Why should it be any different for gay people?
Navy Pride said:I know of no one that has ever screamed to the world they are straight.....I guess its different in the UK...................
Because whether you like it or not...being straight is the norm.being gay is the abnorm...........
alex said:Every statement you post comes with nothing to back it up. I have yet to read a valid point written by you. Start backing up these ridiculous comments. Without it your posts mean nothing.
Navy Pride said:I am sorry but I have no clue what your talking about...Can you explain?
Thanks:smile:
Navy Pride said:All he had to do was go to his commanding officer and say he was gay and he would have been discharged with and honorable discharge.....No questions asked.........
alex said:OK. All you do is make statements. I think that you assume the meanings behind them are granted. You know the meanings behind them but we do not. Instead of posting something like "Homosexuals are the abnorm" and ending it there, write "I believe that homosexuals are the abnorm because..." Tell us why you believe the things that you do. If you can find other sources of information to help you back up your statements, list them as a source. Try using factual information more often and then conclude with your opinion. I hope this helps because I have noticed that other people have become frustrated with your posts for these reasons as well. No one is implying that your opinions are completely wrong, just that they need more to back them up and more validity.
Navy Pride said:OK, I believe it is a fact that someone that engages in the type sex that gays engage in is abnormal whether they be straight or gay.......I also believe that the vast majority of Americans believe the same way....
I don't believe that gays should serve openly in the military, especially the Navy where I spent 21 years........I think if that happened it would destroy morale and organizational readiness...........
vergiss said:It's the Australian army. They're not still stuck in the 1800s regarding gay soldiers.
By the way, you missed the point I was making by at least a mile.
vergiss said:Well, your beliefs are wrong until you can prove what the "vast majority of Americans" think. Sorry. I doubt you consider the "abnormality" of oral sex whenever your wife is helping out with the task.
How the heck would it destroy morale and organisation, exactly? Last I checked, prefering your own gender doesn't destroy all plans within a 50 foot radius, nor does it plunge your comrades into a depressive stupor.
Naughty Nurse said:Today was our local gay pride. And guess what? Both the Navy and the Air Force had recruiting stations there.
Guess they don't think that enlisting gay men and women will lead to the downfall of civilisation!
Navy Pride said:Good for you......I might work one way here.........You could put all gay people on one ship and they could have one huge orgy...........
Navy Pride said:Seriously though I have talked to Brit sailors and they are not at all happy with the policy........
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