The Dorner shootout favors the *assault weapon* ban to some degree

[ric27]

Dorner proved the superiority of a rifle over a handgun in battle and him using a suppressed weapon from inside the cabin

 

[Fisher]

....or it proves that we need more rifle toting militias since it took the po po so long to corner the guy even when they knew what area he was in......

 

[ttwtt78640]

Dorner proved the superiority of a rifle over a handgun in battle and him using a suppressed weapon from inside the cabin

Are you using the Charlie Sheen definition of "winning"? It simply proved that the attacker has an initial advantage over the defender. Once the better armed person was outnumbered, on the run and cornered that "rifle superiority" resulted in his defeat and death, not his victory and freedom.

 

[ric27]

....or it proves that we need more rifle toting militias since it took the po po so long to corner the guy even when they knew what area he was in......

The flipside is...If bgs have rifles, you better have them too just to keep keep things balanced

LE and Mil should only have *assault weapons* because of their trustworthiness/confidence

Well, Dorner was both and so, that claim *deserving of trust* goes nowhere

 

[ric27]

Are you using the Charlie Sheen definition of "winning"? It simply proved that the attacker has an initial advantage over the defender. Once the better armed person was outnumbered, on the run and cornered that "rifle superiority" resulted in his defeat and death, not his victory and freedom.

The point is....The Dorner shootout will just bring more ammo on both sides of the assault weapon argument.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The point is....The Dorner shootout will just bring more ammo on both sides of the assault weapon argument.

Indeed. Tools can be used for good and evil. The more good folks with tools, the less damage that can be done by the bad folks with tools. As can be seen with the "war" on drugs, as long as there is demand there will be a supply. The question is why would you make mere (lawful?) possesion of the tool into the crime, if your true intent was to target the criminal use of that tool?

 

[blaxshep]

If we had a universal background check and national gun registry after he shot and killed all those people the police could have looked it up in the registry and then they would have known he had a gun.

 

[elalumno]

Dorner proved the superiority of a rifle over a handgun in battle and him using a suppressed weapon from inside the cabin

How do you know he had a suppressed weapon?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Dorner proved the superiority of a rifle over a handgun in battle and him using a suppressed weapon from inside the cabin

If having such a weapon gave him that much of an advantage as he tried to defend himself in a cabin; then surely such a weapon would give the same advantage to a law-abiding citizen trying to defend his home, family, and self against a gang of armed criminals. Only difference between that situation and this one is which side is the good guys, and which side is the bad guys.

I see no rational purpose in denying good guys such an advantage, just on the basis that on occasion, a bad guy will also enjoy that advantage. In fact, given that good guys, by definition, tend to obey laws, while bad guys do not, makes it obvious that the effect of trying to deny this advantage to everyone would more predominantly deny it only to the good guys, while bad guys continue to gain that advantage.

 

[head of joaquin]

If we just had more armed men like Dorner around, everything would be OK.

Such is the lunacy of the NRA and its bizarre narratives.

 

[Ikari]

Dorner proved the superiority of a rifle over a handgun in battle and him using a suppressed weapon from inside the cabin

If anything, it shows exactly why we need them.

 

[head of joaquin]

If anything, it shows exactly why we need them.

Yeah, because any fat NRA member can take out a trained military man and ex policeman with a legal gun. I mean, isn't that what happened?

Wait, it didn't . . .

 

[Ikari]

Yeah, because any fat NRA member can take out a trained military man and ex policeman with a legal gun. I mean, isn't that what happened?

Wait, it didn't . . .

Well people still need to train with their firearms so that they may maximize use. I don't think anyone ever said anything contrary. So you have anything else to blurt out that has absolutely zero impact on what has been stated? Or was that it?

 

[ric27]

How do you know he had a suppressed weapon?

2 suppressed SBRs in the burned/crispy truck plus cop called in a sup sniper rifle left in the abandoned white vehicle.

 

[Ray410]

The only thing that Dorner proves is that the liberals can incite their pretend victim clients to their full level of bloodthirsty lunacy and then build support for them among other liberals after they commit unspeakable, depraved acts.

 

[SMTA]

Dorner proved the superiority of a rifle over a handgun in battle and him using a suppressed weapon from inside the cabin

And how, pray tell, do you have this inside information?

 

[ric27]

And how, pray tell, do you have this inside information?

Cops had a very hard time knowing where the shots were coming from

This is an indication of what?

 

[TurtleDude]

Cops had a very hard time knowing where the shots were coming from

This is an indication of what?

poor training

suppressed weapons

a well trained shooter who moves constantly

multiple shooters

all are reasonable explanations

 

[Lukas105]

I don't know, A bunch of poorly trained militia in the late 1700s beat the best, most well trained army in the world. And it can happen again at any time.

Guns make everybody equal, the bullet doesn't care who, or how well the shooter is. The bullet will always fulfill its original purpose, no matter the user.

Yeah, because any fat NRA member can take out a trained military man and ex policeman with a legal gun. I mean, isn't that what happened?

Wait, it didn't . . .

 

[Surtr]

Dorner proved the superiority of a rifle over a handgun in battle and him using a suppressed weapon from inside the cabin

I thought the moral of the story was that a crazy and violent rampage will end in a fiery death.

 

[ric27]

poor training

suppressed weapons

a well trained shooter who moves constantly

multiple shooters

all are reasonable explanations

Dorner was packing alright.....and ready. NVGs, suppressed rifles equipped with IR laser plus other good stuff

 

[APACHERAT]

poor training

suppressed weapons

a well trained shooter who moves constantly

multiple shooters

all are reasonable explanations

A firearm with a suppressor will only conceal exactly where the fire is coming from. But while the projectile is in the air and breaks the sound barrier, you will hear a crack.

Dorner was not a well trained marksman. While in the Navy he only qualified as a marksman, the lowest rifle qualification there is in the military. Except for a non-qual.

 

[justabubba]

let's see exactly what Christopher Dorner had to say about gun control:

If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. Don’t give me that crap that its not a select fire or full auto rifle like the DoD uses. That’s bull**** because troops who carry the M-4/M-16 weapon system for combat ops outside the wire rarely utilize the select fire function when in contact with enemy combatants. The use of select fire probably isn’t even 1% in combat. So in essence, the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle is the same as the M-4/M-16. These do not need to be purchased as easily as walking to your local Walmart or striking the enter key on your keyboard to “add to cart”. All the firearms utilized in my activities are registered to me and were legally purchased at gun stores and private party transfers. All concealable weapons (pistols) were also legally register in my name at police stations or FFL’s. Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR’s, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I’m not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a f***ing silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”

Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become cliche’ and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent, Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield, Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!

In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook massacre.

https://sites.google.com/site/christopherjdorner/home

 

[Black Dog]

let's see exactly what Christopher Dorner had to say about gun control:

https://sites.google.com/site/christopherjdorner/home

Yea because an angry leftist, known blowhard and liar on a killing spree is exactly who we should be listening to.

 

[ecofarm]

The weapons are not so relevant. He could have bombed a cop station, killing a dozen or so. He could have poisoned water. He could have just walked into station with a revolver and shot a few cops, or done it at a donut shop. Anyway, managing to shoot a few cops (two in his cabin standoff?) is hardly "effective" in a "war against cops".

I noticed in one article I read: When referring to a carjacking, the nutbag was described to as having a ~"small assault style rifle" but when the story got to the part about a cop shooting at the vehicle, the cop's weapon was a "high powered semiautomatic rifle" without mention of "assault" whatsoever.