The democrats are winning

[Kandahar]

:roll:So anyone who supports voter ID is either ignorant of facts or willfully supporting voter suppression? The left is just affraid of the truth coming out and is unable to face it. It would only take two fingerprints and a scanner to put an end to voter fraud. The left doesn't want this because they know they would lose some votes. Its just like the IRS getting sent 1000s of tax returns from the same address and them getting the refunds paid out. You would think the people would want an end to voter fraud but their are those out there that believe they would lose because of it. Whats next? Telephoning in your vote?

The Brennan Center for Justice has estimated that over the past decade, there was an average of 0.7 cases of voter fraud per state per year. If there was widespread voter fraud going on, then surely there would be lots of EVIDENCE of it and lots of EXAMPLES of it. You can rant all you like about the "problem," but what you can't do is provide any evidence to support your claim that it's a problem in the first place.

 

[Boo Radley]

:roll:So anyone who supports voter ID is either ignorant of facts or willfully supporting voter suppression? The left is just affraid of the truth coming out and is unable to face it. It would only take two fingerprints and a scanner to put an end to voter fraud. The left doesn't want this because they know they would lose some votes. Its just like the IRS getting sent 1000s of tax returns from the same address and them getting the refunds paid out. You would think the people would want an end to voter fraud but their are those out there that believe they would lose because of it. Whats next? Telephoning in your vote?

Don't know about that. But I do know no one has provided any evidence of a real problem, and we can see republicans saying that this is what they want it to do, to suppress legal voters.

 

[Politicalhammer]

The Brennan Center for Justice has estimated that over the past decade, there was an average of 0.7 cases of voter fraud per state per year. If there was widespread voter fraud going on, then surely there would be lots of EVIDENCE of it and lots of EXAMPLES of it. You can rant all you like about the "problem," but what you can't do is provide any evidence to support your claim that it's a problem in the first place.

:lol:Well if the gov't cant handle the IRS on fraud they sure as heck cant do it with voter fraud. They believe they can handle ever situation and keep it under control but for sure they have been proven wrong. They just dont like admitting they make mistakes.

 

[Politicalhammer]

Don't know about that. But I do know no one has provided any evidence of a real problem, and we can see republicans saying that this is what they want it to do, to suppress legal voters.

:dohAnd the Dems are just too afraid to go forth with this because they know they are wrong and the truth comes out its going to hit them in the face. Theres nothing wrong with making an improvement to keep voter fraud under control whether this is a little or alot.

 

[Boo Radley]

:dohAnd the Dems are just too afraid to go forth with this because they know they are wrong and the truth comes out its going to hit them in the face. Theres nothing wrong with making an improvement to keep voter fraud under control whether this is a little or alot.

For a problem you can't show exists, and that ID laws won't fix? You're funny. :coffeepap

 

[Kandahar]

:lol:Well if the gov't cant handle the IRS on fraud they sure as heck cant do it with voter fraud. They believe they can handle ever situation and keep it under control but for sure they have been proven wrong. They just dont like admitting they make mistakes.

And once again, you didn't provide any EVIDENCE that voter fraud is a problem. None at all.

 

[Born Free]

Proved he lied about a memo, not Bush being AWOL. That's forgotten and I've shown that enough over the years. You should read more. However, the point is, his mistake did cost him. Had it been something like The Weekly Standard, who have reporters who make such mistakes, it would not have cost them at all. One of the messures of bias is inaccuracy without consequence.

Dan Rather was with CBS News, A news anchor who was supposed to be reporting accurate news. His lies and his liberal bias cost him his job and he did this for over 20 yrs. CBS News is not the Weekly Standard, which is a magazine, and it's commentary, not a news organization. Do you not understand the difference. :doh

 

[Born Free]

For a problem you can't show exists, and that ID laws won't fix? You're funny. :coffeepap

You say voter fraud does not exist. Try this out"

Voter fraud has a shocking new meaning in eastern Kentucky.

That is where in some cases, major cocaine and marijuana dealers admitted to buying votes to steal elections, and the result is the corruption of American democracy. The government continues to mete out justice in the scandal, as two people convicted in April in a vote-buying case face sentencing this week, and another public official pleaded guilty Tuesday to conspiracy.

"We believe that drug money did buy votes," Kerry B. Harvey, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky, said of a separate vote-buying case.

He described a stunning vote-buying scheme that includes "very extensive, organized criminal activity, involving hundreds of thousands of dollars, and in many cases that involves drug money."

Harvey has led a recent string of federal prosecutions exposing the widespread and accepted practice of vote buying in eastern Kentucky. The soft-spoken federal prosecutor, along with his team and state authorities, are waging a battle against what he characterizes as a vote-buying culture embedded in many of the communities for generations.

Read more: Drug money funds voter fraud in Kentucky | Fox News

PDI-P politicians implicated in vote-buying scandal | The Jakarta Post

 

[Boo Radley]

You say voter fraud does not exist. Try this out"

Voter fraud has a shocking new meaning in eastern Kentucky.

That is where in some cases, major cocaine and marijuana dealers admitted to buying votes to steal elections, and the result is the corruption of American democracy. The government continues to mete out justice in the scandal, as two people convicted in April in a vote-buying case face sentencing this week, and another public official pleaded guilty Tuesday to conspiracy.

"We believe that drug money did buy votes," Kerry B. Harvey, U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky, said of a separate vote-buying case.

He described a stunning vote-buying scheme that includes "very extensive, organized criminal activity, involving hundreds of thousands of dollars, and in many cases that involves drug money."

Harvey has led a recent string of federal prosecutions exposing the widespread and accepted practice of vote buying in eastern Kentucky. The soft-spoken federal prosecutor, along with his team and state authorities, are waging a battle against what he characterizes as a vote-buying culture embedded in many of the communities for generations.

Read more: Drug money funds voter fraud in Kentucky | Fox News

PDI-P politicians implicated in vote-buying scandal | The Jakarta Post

Wrong kind of voter fraud. Voter IDs wouldn't fix that. So, you strike out. And there are already laws against this.

 

[Boo Radley]

Dan Rather was with CBS News, A news anchor who was supposed to be reporting accurate news. His lies and his liberal bias cost him his job and he did this for over 20 yrs. CBS News is not the Weekly Standard, which is a magazine, and it's commentary, not a news organization. Do you not understand the difference. :doh

Yeah, I know. And a magazine can be biased. I merely point out that what was false was the memo, not Bush's actual status. And that he was held accountable. To dispute me, that is what you have to dispute.

 

[Born Free]

Yeah, I know. And a magazine can be biased. I merely point out that what was false was the memo, not Bush's actual status. And that he was held accountable. To dispute me, that is what you have to dispute.

Of course a magazine can be bias, it's a magazine for Christ sake, it's commentary, and you of all people know this. Now you want to compare Dan Rather with his lies as commander in chief of all News broadcasting lies. Give me a break. What was false is Dan Rather submitting as news, as a flat out lie. And for you to even bring up the Weekly Standard was total nonsense.

 

[Born Free]

Wrong kind of voter fraud. Voter IDs wouldn't fix that. So, you strike out. And there are already laws against this.

Yeah right, any voter fraud is not voter fraud to you, it's all the wrong kind. Got it.

And by the way, there are laws against any voter fraud, do you not know this. And yes voter ID would prevent this type of fraud. Any vote you cast you have to show ID, and if you cast several purchased votes with your ID attache to them, you go to jail. Just like the others did. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[spud_meister]

Its pretty clear that the chicago slander machine aided by a biased media is handing the election to obama.

My question: Is this how we should elect our leaders? by lies and innuendo spread by a one sided media?

It's how the founding fathers wanted it. Free speech and press is a bitch innit? :lol:

 

[Born Free]

It's how the founding fathers wanted it. Free speech and press is a bitch innit? :lol:

Interesting, how you now preach free speech, yet it was you on the left that wanted to kill talk radio on the right. Like not equal time the left had to compete. Free speech is a bitch innit?

 

[spud_meister]

Interesting, how you now preach free speech, yet it was you on the left that wanted to kill talk radio on the right. Like not equal time the left had to compete. Free speech is a bitch innit?

I've never wanted to ban any talk radio. As much as this may shock you, you can't actually apply your delusional generalisations to everyone.

 

[Boo Radley]

Yeah right, any voter fraud is not voter fraud to you, it's all the wrong kind. Got it.

And by the way, there are laws against any voter fraud, do you not know this. And yes voter ID would prevent this type of fraud. Any vote you cast you have to show ID, and if you cast several purchased votes with your ID attache to them, you go to jail. Just like the others did. Why is this so hard to understand?

No, voter IDs will not stop someone from paying someone else to vote for their candidate. You should read the articles you linked. All of those who voted were legal voters, not sing someone else's identity. So no, voter ID would not have addressed this. And one article wasn't even in America.

I'm sorry, but you failed. :failpail:

 

[johnny_rebson]

It's how the founding fathers wanted it.

America is far from the nation that the founding fathers wanted it to be. Look at how the voting laws have drastically changed.

 

[joko104]

Its pretty clear that the chicago slander machine aided by a biased media is handing the election to obama.

My question: Is this how we should elect our leaders? by lies and innuendo spread by a one sided media?

While most people think the ONLY election is the presidency since that is all network news talks about, it's not so.

There are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of local, county, precinct, ward and state elections. The national democrats are basically throwing all those overboard for Obama.

Here, for the first time in County historyy, Democrats could not even find someone to run for at least 90% of the offices, This WAS a very bipartisan county with a bit more democrat officeholders than Republicans. Now Republicans have already won 90% by default with the 10% up for grabs and few thinking ANY democratic officeholders will remain after November. Again, this has NEVER happened before and it is happening all over this region.

So... Democrats are putting all their cards on Obama, throwing local and state Democrats to the sharks for his sake. Since network news doesn't cover or even mention those races, it is a quiet SLAUGHTER of Democrats on a mass scale.

The Democrats are NOT winning. They can't even find candidates.

 

[haymarket]

Its pretty clear that the chicago slander machine aided by a biased media is handing the election to obama.

My question: Is this how we should elect our leaders? by lies and innuendo spread by a one sided media?

Whats the matter? FOX News is not on in your area?

 

[spud_meister]

America is far from the nation that the founding fathers wanted it to be. Look at how the voting laws have drastically changed.

But two things that haven't changed are presidents breaking campaign promises, and the freedom of press.

 

[Boo Radley]

America is far from the nation that the founding fathers wanted it to be. Look at how the voting laws have drastically changed.

That which does not change is dead, and even death brings changes. If the founding fathers were immortal, change would still have come. And they would have changed as well.

 

[Fruityfact]

America is far from the nation that the founding fathers wanted it to be. Look at how the voting laws have drastically changed.

If i recall correctly they wanted the document completely revised every 20 years...In other words the founding fathers wanted us to be extremely progressive

 

[OpportunityCost]

Depends where you are, and what kinds of voter IDs are allowed. Various newspapers and watchdog groups have investigated Pennsylvania's new voter ID law and estimated that 9% of all Pennsylvania voters lack a valid form of ID. It's 18% or higher in urban areas like Philadelphia. But I'm sure your random conjectures about "How do people do X, Y, and Z without an ID?" are more reliable than the actual facts. :roll:

The Startling Urban Dynamic in Pennsylvania's Voter ID Law - Politics - The Atlantic Cities

Seems to be working in Indiana with little to no problems. Would you say then that the Indiana voter ID law ought to be emulated because it is working without disenfranchising voters?

 

[Bobcat]

Whats the matter? FOX News is not on in your area?

Yes it is, so are ABC, CBS, NBC,CNN, MSNBC, we also get the NY times, LA times, and our local left wing paper the Times Picayune (which sells so few papers it has gone to 3 days a week).

My point earlier is that the dems control most of the media outlets. Without Fox and talk radio we might as well be living in communist Russia and reading Pravda.

 

[Kandahar]

Seems to be working in Indiana with little to no problems. Would you say then that the Indiana voter ID law ought to be emulated because it is working without disenfranchising voters?

I don't know enough about Indiana's voter ID law to render a judgment, but my hunch is hell no. What documents does Indiana require and what percentage of people who would otherwise vote are disenfranchised? And what problem does the voter ID law claim to solve?