The Daily Show: The 11/3 Project

[PogueMoran]

No, you didn't.

You said:



"HE" did not claim anything of the sort.

Doing 2 segments in 2 days debunking it, is not what anyone would call sweeping it under the rug, and since he did not buy into it in the first place, how exactly was he "full of ****"?

I believe a retraction is in order here. That is, if you have any integrity at all.

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So you missed the part where i said he looked into it. On march 3rd 2009 he was on fox and friends talking about how he thought the death camps were real he did a 180 when he actually decided to look into it if only he did this with everything, you know actually use critical thinking skills and look into something he reports. He wouldnt need to use magical connections if he researched and paid attention to what he was looking at

 

[Grim17]

Ive listened to the whole speech once again the words he stated dont match your claim of him having his own private army. Civilian national security like law enforcement, the fbi as well as volunteers which is what bush had called for after 9/11 just as on the mta they call on civilians on their trains to report anything suspicious to mta cops. Youre stretching the truth how do you get from civilian national security to owning his own private army?
Thats quite a stretch of the imagination

I can buy that... But it doesn't change the fact that he said it, and there was nothing wrong with Beck examining it.

If you watch Beck's show, you will see that he only lays things out for his audience to see, and asks them to check things out for themselves and come to their own conclusions. That's part of what I like about his show.

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[PogueMoran]

I can buy that... But it doesn't change the fact that he said it, and there was nothing wrong with Beck examining it.

If you watch Beck's show, you will see that he only lays things out for his audience to see, and asks them to check things out for themselves and come to their own conclusions. That's part of what I like about his show.

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well obviously you didnt get the part where you were supposed to check things out for yourself because once again obama didnt say what you first claimed and that beck claimed that obama was raising a private army. This just shows either laziness by beck not to do research or a clear agenda. Just like beck failed to research saying no president had not been sworn in with a bible and that he checked it out. Either he lied about his research or was lying outright. Take your pick. Ive seen his show i used to watch him on cnn as well. Its just hard to watch him without laughing he reminds me of a paranoid schizophrenic how he makes random magical connections which have no basis in reality

 

[Grim17]

So you missed the part where i said he looked into it. On march 3rd 2009 he was on fox and friends talking about how he thought the death camps were real he did a 180 when he actually decided to look into it if only he did this with everything, you know actually use critical thinking skills and look into something he reports. He wouldnt need to use magical connections if he researched and paid attention to what he was looking at

This is a case where you only have half the information. You go from the F&F's interview, to the night he does the show that debunks them, and you leave out everything in between.

He had his producers investigate the claims for the express purpose of debunking them, not proving them. He asked his producers to investigate the claims, and when he went on Fox and Friends March 2nd, his producers said that they couldn't debunk them as of then. He clarified his statement on his own show the next night, March 3rd, which was at least a week before he actually did the 2 shows where he debunked them, and stated very clearly he did not believe them personally.

See for yourself:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf0XdHpkfWA"]YouTube- Ron Paul and Glenn Beck talk about Fema Camps on his TV Show March 3rd 2009[/ame]

 

[Grim17]

Just on a side note... It is the kooks on the left that bought into this story during their unhinged rage against President Bush, so I don't quite understand why it is you want to glorify it. The FEMA camp story was right up their with the "9/11 was an inside job" crap the left spewed for so many years. I would think you would want to forget it, not remind everyone of the kooks on your side of the fence.

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[PogueMoran]

This is a case where you only have half the information. You go from the F&F's interview, to the night he does the show that debunks them, and you leave out everything in between.

He had his producers investigate the claims for the express purpose of debunking them, not proving them. He asked his producers to investigate the claims, and when he went on Fox and Friends March 2nd, his producers said that they couldn't debunk them as of then. He clarified his statement on his own show the next night, March 3rd, which was at least a week before he actually did the 2 shows where he debunked them, and stated very clearly he did not believe them personally.

See for yourself:

YouTube- Ron Paul and Glenn Beck talk about Fema Camps on his TV Show March 3rd 2009

Far cry from his interview on talking about not being able to debunk them and saying his producers couldnt. If he couldnt prove they existed in the first place why is he using backwards logic to say he couldnt debunk them. After that he talked about his fear of the government and it heading for a totalitarian state. If he was honest with his viewers he wouldnt have talked about something he couldnt prove existed 2 previous times on his show and on fox and friends again this just goes to what i was saying if he thoroughly researched a topic he wouldnt need those magical connections

 

[PogueMoran]

Just on a side note... It is the kooks on the left that bought into this story during their unhinged rage against President Bush, so I don't quite understand why it is you want to glorify it. The FEMA camp story was right up their with the "9/11 was an inside job" crap the left spewed for so many years. I would think you would want to forget it, not remind everyone of the kooks on your side of the fence.

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deflection im not on the left or the right. The topic was about glenn beck who is giving a platform to spew his conspiracy theories. Those on the left talking about fema death camps are just as loony as those on the right who believe them. Again glenn went about it logically backwards talking about them on multiple shows claiming he couldnt disprove them even though he had no proof they even existed. We were talking about becks honesty and journalistic integrity were we not. This is just one of the stories he originally got wrong and would help the rest of his claims if he did the research like he did here.

 

[Grim17]

Hey PogueMoran, I want to thank you for a lively and honest debate. I don't get that too often anymore from those on the left, so I like to acknowledge it when I do.

And btw, I have some good news for you. Glenn Beck will be returning to both his TV and radio show tomorrow after having surgery. Just some news that I thought might excite you... lol

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[ewm90]

That's easy. Here he is exposing Obama's "Private Army", a classic piece of "investigative journalism". You want more?

YouTube- Glenn Beck on Obama's Private Army- 8-27-09- Part 1- Must See

If I wonted to I could find evidence of all most any thing.


I could find evidence that my nabbers a alien of example and offer it in away that sounds plausible.

I could find evidence that Obama is really Michael Jackson.

Its not the evidence to makes some thing seem real or not its what you already thing as is posable that makes those things seem plausible.

To elaborate.

If I see Obama as a threat I am more likely to see things that seem threatening that he is doing.

If I see Obama as a good person I am more likely to see good things he dose.

If you wont to real see what there is to see you need to get to a place where you don't have any preconceived notions or idea about the person you are looking at.

To get to this place takes effort and it can be defalcate the human mine is a resign finding factory.

 

[odanny]

Rockefeller fired and removed Diego Rivera's mural because there was an image of Lenin in it. Rockefeller was hardly a Communist.

Rockefeller, the great capitalist, is having history rewritten by the moron Beck and his flock of loyal fans.

The irony is lost on them

 

[phattonez]

Rockefeller, the great capitalist, is having history rewritten by the moron Beck and his flock of loyal fans.

The irony is lost on them

Rockefeller didn't have any sweet deals with the government?

 

[lizzie]

Just on a side note... It is the kooks on the left that bought into this story during their unhinged rage against President Bush, so I don't quite understand why it is you want to glorify it. The FEMA camp story was right up their with the "9/11 was an inside job" crap the left spewed for so many years. I would think you would want to forget it, not remind everyone of the kooks on your side of the fence.

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If I'm not mistaken, the FEMA camp rumors first came out while Clinton was in office.

 

[phattonez]

If I wonted to I could find evidence of all most any thing.


I could find evidence that my nabbers a alien of example and offer it in away that sounds plausible.

I could find evidence that Obama is really Michael Jackson.

Its not the evidence to makes some thing seem real or not its what you already thing as is posable that makes those things seem plausible.

To elaborate.

If I see Obama as a threat I am more likely to see things that seem threatening that he is doing.

If I see Obama as a good person I am more likely to see good things he dose.

If you wont to real see what there is to see you need to get to a place where you don't have any preconceived notions or idea about the person you are looking at.

To get to this place takes effort and it can be defalcate the human mine is a resign finding factory.

Where is that evidence?

 

[Dr.Gonzo]

Rockefeller is also a founding member of the Bilderberg Group!! :shock:

Why doesn't Beck report that?

At least there is proof that the group exists, unlike the FEMA camps.

 

[ewm90]

Where is that evidence?

I dont see my nabber out in the yard much and he has a full time job. I have hear strange nose from his house screaming noses and other nose I don't recognize and never heard before. He dose not talk much and I have never seen him drive a car. I seen strange lights coming from his home and craft flying over his home.

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Its strange MJ died just a little after Obama got elected it would be hard to be at 2 places at one time and would need to get rid of one of his identity. People think he is not black and MJ changed colors. You would need lots of money to run a campaign and MJ had that. You never seen them together and that world would better to keep the to presently separate.

Evidences of any thing is not hard to find when you look for it.

When one looks at political views one can see the same kind of strangeness.

 

[WillRockwell]

If I wonted to I could find evidence of all most any thing.


I could find evidence that my nabbers a alien of example and offer it in away that sounds plausible.

I could find evidence that Obama is really Michael Jackson.

Its not the evidence to makes some thing seem real or not its what you already thing as is posable that makes those things seem plausible.

To elaborate.

If I see Obama as a threat I am more likely to see things that seem threatening that he is doing.

If I see Obama as a good person I am more likely to see good things he dose.

If you wont to real see what there is to see you need to get to a place where you don't have any preconceived notions or idea about the person you are looking at.

To get to this place takes effort and it can be defalcate the human mine is a resign finding factory.

I see, so because "evidence" is so easy to make up, you don't bother with it at all. That explains a lot.

 

[ewm90]

I see, so because "evidence" is so easy to make up, you don't bother with it at all. That explains a lot.

Yeah basically.

when some thing makes it thew the factory like of our government thew all the views of what some thing should be its a mess.

Every one as a completely different way they see life, that are there some one can see some thing it shocking.

If you wont to make a difference going thew the government is like going thew the next top modal your rated on things that have nothing to do with your commitment and many if not most times what you have to offer.

Go out side the government and do it your self. You wont to help people in africa start your one organization.

after all is said and done is the mess of a the governments as they are now the idea behind what is offered is so watered down is ends up many times keeping the problem going rather then solving it. Evidence of this is the problems war, hunger, aids and so one are still around after throwing billions at it.

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

We are giving fish away.

the more things change, the more they stay the same

We can change all kinds of things about the government and we will still have the same problems.

This may be shocking: No change = new possibilities.

When you stop resisting how you are you are free to deal with life as it is. This is not the way governments operates and if you give up how you see your self and just be opened to every thing magic starts accruing.

 

[Helte/2Skelter]

Rockefeller didn't have any sweet deals with the government?

Government intervention and nationalization are not definitively socialist and are completely absent in communism.

 

[phattonez]

Government intervention and nationalization are not definitively socialist and are completely absent in communism.

Nationalization, is absent in communism? Really. Explain that one to me.

 

[Helte/2Skelter]

Nationalization, is absent in communism? Really. Explain that one to me.

Communism involves an end condition in which there is a classless society (as in proletariat and bourgeois, not lower, middle, upper, etc.) where there is no longer a need for government. The term communist state bewilders most people because it is a political science term referring to a state with a single-party rule that claims to be communist. Ideologically, a communist state would be an oxy-moron.

 

[phattonez]

Communism involves an end condition in which there is a classless society (as in proletariat and bourgeois, not lower, middle, upper, etc.) where there is no longer a need for government. The term communist state bewilders most people because it is a political science term referring to a state with a single-party rule that claims to be communist. Ideologically, a communist state would be an oxy-moron.

Great, another libertarian socialist. :roll:

 

[Helte/2Skelter]

Great, another libertarian socialist. :roll:

Yes, I am sure you have debunked this ideology thoroughly. However, that is not encouraging since you seem to not even have a clear view of what either socialism nor communism is. As an anti-authoritarian, have you ever performed a critique of capitalism or is that off-limits to you?

 

[phattonez]

Yes, I am sure you have debunked this ideology thoroughly. However, that is not encouraging since you seem to not even have a clear view of what either socialism nor communism is. As an anti-authoritarian, have you ever performed a critique of capitalism or is that off-limits to you?

Authoritarian Communism is easy to debunk. Most people mean that when they Communism, but there are a few that mean something different, I just wasn't expecting it from you.

For me, capitalism is the height of anti-authoritarianism.

 

[Helte/2Skelter]

Authoritarian Communism is easy to debunk. Most people mean that when they Communism, but there are a few that mean something different, I just wasn't expecting it from you.

There is no such thing as authoritarian communism by definition. If someone calls themselves communist and is advocating authoritarianism they are something else.

For me, capitalism is the height of anti-authoritarianism.

Despite the fact that businesses themselves are largely authoritarian?

 

[phattonez]

There is no such thing as authoritarian communism by definition. If someone calls themselves communist and is advocating authoritarianism they are something else.

Well that's what most people mean, so excuse me for thinking that's what you meant.

Despite the fact that businesses themselves are largely authoritarian?

A business cannot force you to do anything under a free market.