The Dahiya Doctrine: Israel's military doctrine of mass civilian casualties

[lwf]

Gaza City and the Gaza Strip are very densely populated. 2,048,000 people live on only 140 square miles. There are no isolated places. A bomb exploding anywhere will kill innocent citizens.

Yes indeed. It is impossible for Israel to fight this war with Hamas without killing innocent Palestinian civilians. And Hamas knew that. That's why it was a war crime of the highest caliber that Hamas doomed these innocent civilians by declaring war on Israel through a brutal terrorist attack that targeted and killed more than a thousand innocent Israeli civilians.

 

[Tigerace117]

Exactly. That's why Hamas' terrorist attack against Israel served no strategic purpose other than to start a bloody war that is going to kill tens of thousands of innocents. This is Hamas' doing, not Israel's.



If Israel hadn't taken the actions it is taking, it would have meant the future deaths of even vaster numbers of innocent Israelis at the hands of genocidal terrorist groups that believe the only good Jew is a dead Jew. Israel has responded to this terrorist attack in the best possible way that will result in the fewest number of innocent deaths. Hamas has ensured through its war crime of using Palestinians as human shields and then declaring war on the civilians of a much stronger neighboring state that in spite of Israel's best efforts, the number of innocent casualties of this war will still be well into the tens of thousands.

That's Hamas' choice. Not Israel's. Hamas chose to attack. Self-defense is a choice imposed on you by another. It is not your choice.

Then Israel is utterly moronic for choosing to kill all those innocent civilians and strengthening extremists. Israel choosing to play direct into a terrorist group‘s hands is Israel‘s fault, nobody else’s.

The murder of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians shows that to be colossally false. As does Israel‘s active and ongoing settler colonialism, which is in blatant violation of international law.

Furthermore, given that Israel is run by people who blame the Palestinians for the Holocaust, the idea that they at all care about Palestinian civilian casualties is awfully silly.

Apartheid South Africa screamed its invasions of Angola were “self defense“ as well.

 

[Bodi]

Did HAMAS attack Israel on October 6th 2023?

No,

At least you admit to being blatantly dishonest.

 

[lwf]

Then Israel is utterly moronic for choosing to kill all those innocent civilians and strengthening extremists. Israel choosing to play direct into a terrorist group‘s hands is Israel‘s fault, nobody else’s.

The murder of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians shows that to be colossally false. As does Israel‘s active and ongoing settler colonialism, which is in blatant violation of international law.

Furthermore, given that Israel is run by people who blame the Palestinians for the Holocaust, the idea that they at all care about Palestinian civilian casualties is awfully silly.

Apartheid South Africa screamed its invasions of Angola were “self defense“ as well.

What is the other option? What should they have done instead in response to the terrorist attack on 10/7?

 

[Tigerace117]

What is the other option? What should they have done instead in response to the terrorist attack on 10/7?

Not carried out tactics which they know kill vast numbers of innocent civilians.

 

[lwf]

Not carried out tactics which they know kill vast numbers of innocent civilians.

So they should have done nothing?

 

[Tigerace117]

So they should have done nothing?

You’d have to go back a lot further than October 8th to point out all the things Israel should have done.

The objective fact of the matter, though, is that their bombing campaigns do not work.

 

[lwf]

You’d have to go back a lot further than October 8th to point out all the things Israel should have done.

Israeli scientists are good, but to my knowledge they have yet to invent a time machine.

The objective fact of the matter, though, is that their bombing campaigns do not work.

They did work. Israel has entered Gaza and cleared a large number of the underground bunkers Hamas has been using with minimal IDF casualties. That was the goal. It's goal in invading Gaza was not to repair its relationship with Palestinians. It's goal is to remove Hamas from power in Gaza.

 

[Tigerace117]

Israeli scientists are good, but to my knowledge they have yet to invent a time machine.



They did work. Israel has entered Gaza and cleared a large number of the underground bunkers Hamas has been using with minimal IDF casualties. That was the goal. It's goal in invading Gaza was not to repair its relationship with Palestinians. It's goal is to remove Hamas from power in Gaza.

Nope. The bombing campaigns have failed, over and over and over again, to either destroy Hamas or end insurgent attacks.

Vietnam and Afghanistan conclusively proved that is utterly worthless without winning over the civilian populace, and Israel is far too busy slaughtering Palestinian civilians. The death toll is nearing twenty thosuand.

Even if Israel did somehow magically manage to dismantle Hamas, all they will have done is ensure that Lion’s Den will immediately fill the void.

 

[lwf]

Nope. The bombing campaigns have failed, over and over and over again, to either destroy Hamas or end insurgent attacks.

Vietnam and Afghanistan conclusively proved that is utterly worthless without winning over the civilian populace, and Israel is far too busy slaughtering Palestinian civilians. The death toll is nearing twenty thosuand.

Even if Israel did somehow magically manage to dismantle Hamas, all they will have done is ensure that Lion’s Den will immediately fill the void.

What is the other option? What should they have done instead in response to the terrorist attack on 10/7?

 

[Tigerace117]

What is the other option? What should they have done instead in response to the terrorist attack on 10/7?

Not repeated the same failed strategies under the delusion that if they could just drop enough bombs it would magically work.

 

[lwf]

Not repeated the same failed strategies under the delusion that if they could just drop enough bombs it would magically work.

They did work. Israel has entered Gaza and cleared a large number of the underground bunkers Hamas has been using with minimal IDF casualties. That was the goal. It's goal in invading Gaza was not to repair its relationship with Palestinians. It's goal is to remove Hamas from power in Gaza. They are succeeding.

 

[Tigerace117]

They did work. Israel has entered Gaza and cleared a large number of the underground bunkers Hamas has been using with minimal IDF casualties. That was the goal. It's goal in invading Gaza was not to repair its relationship with Palestinians. It's goal is to remove Hamas from power in Gaza. They are succeeding.

Except they haven’t, as previously stated.

Vietnam and Afghanistan conclusively proved that is utterly worthless without winning over the civilian populace, and Israel is far too busy slaughtering Palestinian civilians. The death toll is nearing twenty thosuand.

Even if Israel did somehow magically manage to dismantle Hamas, all they will have done is ensure that Lion’s Den will immediately fill the void.

 

[lwf]

Except they haven’t, as previously stated.

Vietnam and Afghanistan conclusively proved that is utterly worthless without winning over the civilian populace, and Israel is far too busy slaughtering Palestinian civilians. The death toll is nearing twenty thosuand.

Even if Israel did somehow magically manage to dismantle Hamas, all they will have done is ensure that Lion’s Den will immediately fill the void.

It's goal in invading Gaza is not to repair its relationship with Palestinians. It's goal is to remove Hamas from power in Gaza.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's goal in invading Gaza is not to repair its relationship with Palestinians. It's goal is to remove Hamas from power in Gaza.

Which it’s bombing campaigns have repeatedly failed to do, and, as already pointed out, has no meaning even if it was accomplished.

 

[lwf]

Which it’s bombing campaigns have repeatedly failed to do, and, as already pointed out, has no meaning even if it was accomplished.

It is doing so as we speak. It hasn't failed until and unless Israel gives up. The meaning is sending the message to other present and future terrorist organizations what they can look forward to if they engage in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. Not sending that message would encourage even more terrorist attacks.

 

[Tigerace117]

It is doing so as we speak. It hasn't failed until and unless Israel gives up. The meaning is sending the message to other present and future terrorist organizations what they can look forward to if they engage in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. Not sending that message would encourage even more terrorist attacks.

It has failed repeatedly. The only message Israel is sending is its willingness to kill large numbers of innocent civilians….and the world is hearing that message loud and clear, and is disgusted by it.

 

[oneworld2]

No, you're avoiding answering if you support Hamas or not in the most simplest of ways.
Ask anyone else here if he supports Hamas or not and see how easy it is to provide an answer - why are you special?

I support IDF. I don't support Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah and Islamist fundamentalist terror groups, especially not ones that have a genocidal goal.
Why can't you say "I don't support Hamas"? Someone is threatening you?
Why can I stand behind my opinion without having any embarrassment or shame of it and you can't I wonder?

All that word salad because you have been the only one outed for supporting war crimes/state terrorism.

You don't have the capacity for embarrassment, you're an Israeli propagandist, the two things are mutually exclusive.

 

[oneworld2]

At least you admit to being blatantly dishonest.

Nothing dishonest about what I posted.

 

[Bodi]

Nothing dishonest about what I posted.

Sure was... but that is alright.

 

[oneworld2]

Sure was... but that is alright.

What was dishonest in what I wrote?

 

[Fledermaus]

All that word salad because you have been the only one outed for supporting war crimes/state terrorism.

You don't have the capacity for embarrassment, you're an Israeli propagandist, the two things are mutually exclusive.

I support the IDF in its bag smashing of Hamas.

I do recognize this is war and innocent civilians will suffer due to the war that Hamas started. My hopes are the the IDF will strive to reduce civilian suffering.

I do not support the expansion of West Bank settlements nor of violence by the settlers.

 

[oneworld2]

I support the IDF in its bag smashing of Hamas.

Nope, you support IDF war crimes/ state terrorism always and against whichever Palestinians it is directed at.

I do recognize this is war and innocent civilians will suffer due to the war that Hamas started. My hopes are the the IDF will strive to reduce civilian suffering.

Nope, you start at 7th October to present the Palestinians as the initiators of a conflict that started before Hamas were even created.

You said every war is due to Hamas aggression, I showed you that you were wrong, you ignored the post

I do not support the expansion of West Bank settlements nor of violence by the settlers.

If you care for the law, even if not for the Palestinians, you would condemn, completely, ALL of the settlements and not just " the expansion" , They are ALL illegal

Even when you are presenting yourself as reasonable you show a complete bias.

 

[oneworld2]

At least you admit to being blatantly dishonest.

I am actually waiting for you to admit that you aren't clued up enough to even be in the debate, i await it still lol

 

[OlNate]

How would you suggest one nation go about responding to rocket attacks coming from within another nation (or ’proxy’ forces within it funded by a third nation)?

Doesn't the US attempt to limit civilian casualties?