The Dahiya Doctrine: Israel's military doctrine of mass civilian casualties (1 Viewer)

[Nomad4Ever]

Ten years without tens of thousands of rockets and mortars ritually falling on Siderot and other cities...

That wasn't the result of operation cast lead. That was Hamas deliberately working to convince the Israeli intel agencies that they had no plans to attack and wanted to work towards peace, so that Israel would be unprepared when they did attack.

 

[Irredentist]

They weren't waging total war on civilians, that's a lie.

It is a historical fact that deliberately targeting the civilian population was official allied bombing doctrine during World War 2. This is indisputable. You can look it up if you like.

And Israel is obviously targeting terrorists, not civilians.

It's not that obvious when you're killing civilians to terrorists at a rate of 2:1.

The question you imposed was an hyperbolic argument, there is no number because that is not the aim and that is not the equation.

The aim is to defeat Hamas. The equation is how much blood it will take to achieve this. That number will tick up regardless of whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. Sooner or later, the bill comes due.

 

[oneworld2]

Like with your earlier 20,000 civilian deaths figure you again inflate numbers more than the worst of extremists.
700,000 is supposed to be the total amount of displaced Palestinians (lower than the number of Jews who were actually evicted and ethnically cleansed) as a result of the failed attempt to annihilate Israel and the Jews and ethnically cleanse them from Israel.
How many of those were leaving for various reasons that are not forced evictions?

So yet more lies. And spare me the fairy tales you're making up about the above wars where IDF was targeting terrorists.

The current figure is at least 16,248 but there are thought to be around 6000 buried under the rubble but not yet confirmed as dead, so my figures aren't that far off the mark

Even if we take just the confirmed death toll you are still supporting the murder of thousands of innocent people, thousands of them being kids.

The mask has fallen for a lot of people. They know this bs about IDF care for civilian casualties is just that bs.

That's why the massive wave of disgust at it is causing such authoritarian reactions in the West.

You are committing a genocide and people are on to it as you defend it.

 

[Fledermaus]

That wasn't the result of operation cast lead. That was Hamas deliberately working to convince the Israeli intel agencies that they had no plans to attack and wanted to work towards peace, so that Israel would be unprepared when they did attack.

Ummm

Yeah.

OK.

Hamas launched rockets when an Israeli stepped and a Palestinian's shoe* ...

Until Cast Lead.





*Slight hyperbole

 

[oneworld2]

Israel has invested time and money to protect their people.

Hamas hasn't.

Israel has tried positioning people away from intended strike areas.

Hamas has in the past told people to stay put.

Yeah, Israel cares more about both Palestinians and Israelis.

Goal post shifts lol

Your posts are pathetic tripe.

I gave a list of IDF initiations of hostilities and you couldn't even comment on it and you speak of " avoidance" ??

Your assertion that the IDF only responds to rocket attacks is a lie, the article shows it to be a lie and cites the attacks that caused the RESPONSE by Palestinians.

Why can't you acknowledge that and retract the lie?

 

[Fledermaus]

The current figure is at least 16,248 but there are thought to be around 6000 buried under the rubble but not yet confirmed as dead, so my figures aren't that far off the mark

Even if we take just the confirmed death toll you are still supporting the murder of thousands of innocent people, thousands of them being kids.

The mask has fallen for a lot of people. They know this bs about IDF care for civilian casualties is just that bs.

That's why the massive wave of disgust at it is causing such authoritarian reactions in the West.

You are committing a genocide and people are on to it as you defend it.

Has or hasn't the IDF informed Palestinians to leave impacted areas?

 

[Bodi]

What's more wrong?................. which you never mentioned at first lol

20,000 dead innocent civilians or 900 dead innocent civilians ?

Depends on the context... that you want to brush aside.

Giggle giggle... tee hee

 

[Fledermaus]

Goal post shifts lol

Your posts are pathetic tripe.

I gave a list of IDF initiations of hostilities and you couldn't even comment on it and you speak of " avoidance" ??

Your assertion that the IDF only responds to rocket attacks is a lie, the article shows it to be a lie and cites the attacks that caused the RESPONSE by Palestinians.

Why can't you acknowledge that and retract the lie?

What has Hamas done to preserve the lives of Gaza Palestinians?

 

[oneworld2]

What has Hamas done to preserve the lives of Gaza Palestinians?

Don't dodge the debunking of your lies with a deflection..

You said that Cast Lead brought " 10 tears of relative peace " it didn't and I cited just some of the bigger spikes in hostilities in the following decade.

You then said that all conflicts were due to Hamas rocket attacks. I gave a link that debunked that and cited the IDF attacks that the rockets were a response to

Two statements, two lies.

Why don't you acknowledge those lies and retract them?

 

[oneworld2]

Depends on the context... that you want to brush aside.

Giggle giggle... tee hee

Explain

What about the context that the armed security/IDF might have killed many of those 900 civilians?

That there were never 40 beheaded babies.

Possibly no mass rapes.

Possibly no kids tied together and burned or hung on clothes lines?

 

[watsup]

There's a long range between "Israel can do no wrong" and "Israel is responsible for everything bad the other side is doing".
You can keep saying I "have no credibility" but when you rationalize terrorism how can you be taken seriously?

What no one said is "Israel can do no wrong" yet this is how you choose to describe anyone who doesn't believe that terrorism is "natural" or something that should be expected as a justified, legitimate action.

Look, you can't even admit that Hamas attacked Israel. Talk about Extremist views.

Yet more strawman lies. I said none of that. To absolve Israel of any long-them responsibility in the past for oppressive treatment of Palestinians that was at least partially responsible for radicalizing them is to simply avoid the facts. This all could have possibly been avoided if Netanyahu and the Israeli government had not treated the Palestinians in such an high-handed manner. This was not a sudden but had been building for years. Anyone who had been paying attention could see that.

 

[oneworld2]

Has or hasn't the IDF informed Palestinians to leave impacted areas?

Did it bomb them in the areas it told them to go to?

It has destroyed the north of Gaza and told everyone to go south, now it is attacking them in the south as well as the north

How long will it take for you to see the elephant in the room?

Your ongoing denials of a genocide are appalling and your claims to give a flying about innocent Palestinians , as you back/cover for every move that sees even more of them being murdered or killed, are even worse.

You have defended/supported virtually EVERY action the IDF have carried out against Palestinians including all of those people murdered in the March of Return protests.

 

[Bodi]

Explain

What about the context that the armed security/IDF might have killed many of those 900 civilians?

That there were never 40 beheaded babies.

Possibly no mass rapes.

Possibly no kids tied together and burned or hung on clothes lines?

What We Know About Three Widespread Israel-Hamas War Claims - FactCheck.org

Since fighting broke out between Israel and Hamas militants on Oct. 7, misinformation about the war has circulated online. But a widely viewed and shared video supposedly correcting what the video calls "three lies about Palestine" and "atrocity propaganda" also gets some of the facts wrong.

www.factcheck.org

 

[Bodi]

I say:

Bodi said:
you can't even admit that Hamas attacked Israel.

and you reply:

I said none of that.

I know. That is what I just said. That you have not admitted that Hamas attacked Israel.

 

[Fledermaus]

Did it bomb them in the areas it told them to go to?

It has destroyed the north of Gaza and told everyone to go south, now it is attacking them in the south as well as the north

How long will it take for you to see the elephant in the room?

Your ongoing denials of a genocide are appalling and your claims to give a flying about innocent Palestinians , as you back/cover for every move that sees even more of them being murdered or killed, are even worse.

You have defended/supported virtually EVERY action the IDF have carried out against Palestinians including all of those people murdered in the March of Return protests.

It was a yes/no question.

Has or hasn't the IDF informed Palestinians to leave impacted areas?

 

[Fledermaus]

Don't dodge the debunking of your lies with a deflection..

You said that Cast Lead brought " 10 tears of relative peace " it didn't and I cited just some of the bigger spikes in hostilities in the following decade.

You then said that all conflicts were due to Hamas rocket attacks. I gave a link that debunked that and cited the IDF attacks that the rockets were a response to

Two statements, two lies.

Why don't you acknowledge those lies and retract them?

So, we agree.

Hamas has done nothing to preserve Palestinian lives.

 

[Fledermaus]

Explain

What about the context that the armed security/IDF might have killed many of those 900 civilians?

That there were never 40 beheaded babies.

Possibly no mass rapes.

Possibly no kids tied together and burned or hung on clothes lines?

What about the context that the armed security/IDF might have killed many of those 900 civilians?

On 10/7?

According to whom?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Ummm

Yeah.

OK.

Hamas launched rockets when an Israeli stepped and a Palestinian's shoe* ...

Until Cast Lead.





*Slight hyperbole

Come on. I’m not even sure why you are arguing this. Israel doesn’t even believe what you are saying. They have said themselves Hamas purposely tried to act defeated and posture diplomacy in order to try and fool their intelligence agencies. They went as far as talking about how weakened their military was from Cast Lead on airwaves they knew were being listened to. Again, this is what ISRAEL is saying. That’s where I got this idea from. This isn’t some conclusion I came to on my own.

 

[watsup]

I say:

and you reply:

I know. That is what I just said. That you have not admitted that Hamas attacked Israel.

Sorry, but I don't answer stupid questions.

 

[Bodi]

Sorry, but I don't answer stupid questions.

It was not a question. It was a statement. How lost are you?

Let's try again...

"You can't even admit that Hamas attacked Israel. Talk about Extremist views.

Bodi said:
Because they get mad when Israel tries to defend itself from Terrorists.

Now you are just being silly. Get back to me when you decide to give a serious answer.

Bodi said:
you can't even admit that Hamas attacked Israel.

"

 

[watsup]

It was not a question. It was a statement. How lost are you?

Let's try again...

"You can't even admit that Hamas attacked Israel. Talk about Extremist views.



"

Sorry, I don't respond to stupid strawman remarks. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss this issue in a more mature manner.

 

[Bodi]

Sorry, I don't respond to stupid strawman remarks. Get back to me when you are ready to discuss this issue in a more mature manner.

Did HAMAS attack Israel on October 6th 2023?

 

[german hick]

Ah - another of these "either you celebrate everything Israel does or you are an antisemite threads"?

Or an "if you think ordinary Palestinians have not a lot of coices you are an Hamas fan" thread?

 

[Apocalypse]

You speaking of " honest discussions" as you spread lies in defence of atrocities and deny every abuse the Palestinians have suffered for the past 55 years. Spreading racist conspiracy theories like Pallywood that are specifically designed to deny the victims of IDF atrocities

The worst propagandists are your IDF buddies as they tell us Arab days of the week are Hamas fighters lol and lie about everything as their default position

You can't even write a message on an internet board saying what you support.
Do you support Hamas or not? What is the problem?

 

[german hick]

i´m so tired of this game.. I had a time I was pro Israel and I had a time I was pro Palestina - lets face the truth - they both want no peace, they both murder women and children but only as defence..... There is no "good side" in this conflict. I´m nearly far enough to propose building a big fence around Isreal and let them murder each other - seems that´s their wish.