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The country is not faring well under trump

Only speaking personally, after expenses, I made more money during Biden's administration than I did during Trump.

Obviously then you voted your wallet and so did most Americans.

However if I tried to gaslight you about your voting motivations and your own economic experience there you'd probably consider that ridiculous.

So do most Americans.
 
So many emergencies, like how the prior four year we were governed by an autopen shadow government who didn't serve the nation.
Yet the nation did much better then than it is now.
Global trade was intact.
Our allies trusted us. Now they don't.
Our enemies respected us. Now they laugh at us.
But you keep focusing on that autopen.

Sorry that you didn't see it as an emergency and now it's a lot of work to fix that.
The emergencies trump has trumped up aren't.
The work will have to wait until the doofus in chief his gone. THEN we will have a lot of cleanup to do.

You all tried all the gaslighting that the problems weren't real but they are real and have to be solved.
Right. Except that they aren't. They are simple manipulations so that people like you keep buying his bullshit while he's busy lining his pockets.

Fools.
 
Trump = chaos.

Domestically
Economically
Regarding foreign policy

He just creates chaos.

This is his history - he did it his first term, he did it the 4 years he was out of office - he’s doing it again in 2.0
 
Yet the nation did much better then than it is now.
Global trade was intact.
Our allies trusted us. Now they don't.
Our enemies respected us. Now they laugh at us.
But you keep focusing on that autopen.

Life was so wonderful under Biden that his own party pushed him out and replaced him and there were calls for it even before the debate.

Keep up the gaslighting though.


The emergencies trump has trumped up aren't.
The work will have to wait until the doofus in chief his gone. THEN we will have a lot of cleanup to do.


Right. Except that they aren't. They are simple manipulations so that people like you keep buying his bullshit while he's busy lining his pockets.

Fools.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Boring hyperbole that flows from gaslighting will be ignored.

People no longer care about the gaslighting from their Democrat abusers.

"If you just stopped judging me I wouldn't have to drink and beat you so much."

No thanks.
 
Life was so wonderful under Biden...
Compared to now? Hell yes, the country was far better off.

...that his own party pushed him out and replaced him and there were calls for it even before the debate.
True. He was old. As old as Trump is now.
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I think there should definitely be an age limit to run for President.


Keep up the gaslighting though.
Huh.



The emergencies trump has trumped up aren't.
The work will have to wait until the doofus in chief his gone.
THEN we will have a lot of cleanup to do.


Except that they aren't. They are simple manipulations so that people like you keep buying his bullshit while he's busy lining his pockets.
Fools.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz
Yeah. He's counting on you fools continuing to be asleep.

Boring hyperbole that flows from...
I'm sorry. Maybe I nodded off there. Boring stuff, man.
 
True. But the country didn’t fare well under Biden either which led to Trump’s second term. Not even during Trump’s first term did this country fair well which was very chaotic just like this term is turning out to be. Trump brings chaos which is to be expected. A plurality of the people were satisfied with both Obama and G.W. Bush’s tenures. But it seems the last time folks thought this country did pretty well was during Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. Both had high overall job approvals and were viewed very positive by most Americans.
Frankly it was much less chaotic under Biden, even taking into account inflation and immigration.
The problem with Trump's anti-immigration measures is that he's deporting people illegally, i.e. without due process.
Moreover he doesn't realize that a certain amount of immigration is necessary for the economy; he's too dum and too narrow-minded to admit it.
 
Frankly it was much less chaotic under Biden, even taking into account inflation and immigration.
The problem with Trump's anti-immigration measures is that he's deporting people illegally, i.e. without due process.
Moreover he doesn't realize that a certain amount of immigration is necessary for the economy; he's too dum and too narrow-minded to admit it.
Biden was elected to bring back some normalcy and sanity to government. He accomplished that. But as you stated, Biden and company got caught up with inflation, rising prices, illegal immigration. Biden’s 39% overall job approval at the end of his presidency was one of the lowest, even lower than Trump at the end of his first term.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

Trump’s strongest issue is immigration. That was one issues as to why he was elected last year. I don’t think a lot of folks are worried and probably don’t care about the minutia of how he’s handling illegal immigration and immigrants. A majority of all Americans approve of his handling of immigration.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/issues/immigration

Even with all the chaos Trump is creating this time around, he’s still about even when it comes to his overall job performance. I find that hard to fathom, but it is what it is.

 
However if I tried to gaslight you about your voting motivations and your own economic experience there you'd probably consider that riridiculous.
Try me. That's an interesting assumption considering we have never messaged each other on these boards. How about instead of assuming, you had an actual conversation with me and we learn who we really are as people and find common ground.

By the way, you were wrong who I voted for. I abstained from voting this election cycle.
 
Try me. That's an interesting assumption considering we have never messaged each other on these boards. How about instead of assuming, you had an actual conversation with me and we learn who we really are as people and find common ground.

By the way, you were wrong who I voted for. I abstained from voting this election cycle.

Abstained... so it's your fault then. :ROFLMAO: ;)
 
True. But the country didn’t fare well under Biden either which led to Trump’s second term. Not even during Trump’s first term did this country fair well which was very chaotic just like this term is turning out to be. Trump brings chaos which is to be expected. A plurality of the people were satisfied with both Obama and G.W. Bush’s tenures. But it seems the last time folks thought this country did pretty well was during Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. Both had high overall job approvals and were viewed very positive by most Americans.

Obama left office at a near 60% approval rating, Bush barely 30% approval.
 
Left wing hype. When illegals and illegal supporters attack law enforcement it's a real problem. When democrats and socialist and anarchist support the criminal acts it's an even larger problem.
The LA Mayor and the CA Governor, ignored the need for proper fire protection and CA/LA burned. Now they want to find a left wing cause to support to switch the narrative. Sorry, violence in any amount against law enforcement during a "mostly peaceful" bullshit protest that results in participants attacking law enforcement cannot be allowed. I love the lefts claims of what peaceful is. Sort of like, don't believe your own eyes when you watch Joe Biden stumble and fall, stutter and go into a trance like state, and tell us they never noticed. Reality isn't in the democrat playbook.
BTW, bought your tell all book on the Biden sham written by left wing news personalties and a Biden administration insider? Seems they just missed it for years until they finally admitted it was always there.
When a bunch of thugs invade a neighborhood and start disappearing people without warrants you are going to get reactions. Using Gestapo tactics on American soil is just asking for trouble and Trump knows this well. You have nothing but lies to say but no answer for Trump's illegal federalization of the California National Guard. The Statute requires that the Governor approves the measure and that did not happen. State law enforcement is far better trained and were able to keep the protests under control. Trump is fanning the flames by recklessly sending people without proper training into the streets. His is the bringer of riots and chaos and we will not allow it again. We had 4 years of peace in the streets under Biden and Trump has changed that in 6 months. Here is Trump stumbling and nearly face planting himself the other day.

 
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True. But the country didn’t fare well under Biden either which led to Trump’s second term. Not even during Trump’s first term did this country fair well which was very chaotic just like this term is turning out to be. Trump brings chaos which is to be expected. A plurality of the people were satisfied with both Obama and G.W. Bush’s tenures. But it seems the last time folks thought this country did pretty well was during Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. Both had high overall job approvals and were viewed very positive by most Americans.
Obama is the most popular living President by far. GW Bush invaded Iraq on a lie and left the country in it worst recession ever.
 
Obama left office at a near 60% approval rating, Bush barely 30% approval.
I was looking at their average over their entire presidency. Obama 48% average approval, G.W. Bush 49%. Click on their name and then snapshot. That'll give you the overall average along with the average of both terms. G.W Bush had an amazing high average for his first term, 62%, but averaged only 37% for his second term which led to his replacement John McCain losing to Obama. Obama didn't fluxuate, 48% approval first term, 47% approval second term. Now Bill Clinton had an 55% approval average for his entire presidency, 50% first term, 61% second term.



 
Obama is the most popular living President by far. GW Bush invaded Iraq on a lie and left the country in it worst recession ever.
Personally, my most popular living president is Bill Clinton which was quite popular during his presidency also. Obama average 48% approval for his entire presidency, 48% approval first term, 47% approval second term. Now Bill Clinton had an 55% approval average for his entire presidency, 50% first term, 61% second term.
 
Personally, my most popular living president is Bill Clinton which was quite popular during his presidency also. Obama average 48% approval for his entire presidency, 48% approval first term, 47% approval second term. Now Bill Clinton had an 55% approval average for his entire presidency, 50% first term, 61% second term.

Americans' Opinions of the Living U.S. Presidents

Favorable and unfavorable opinions of living U.S. presidents, based on a January 2025 poll. Fifty-nine percent have a favorable opinion of Barack Obama, the highest among the five living presidents. A slim majority have a positive opinion of George W. Bush, while 48% view Bill Clinton and Donald Trump favorably, although Trump has higher unfavorable ratings (50%) and Clinton a higher percentage without an opinion of him. Thirty-nine percent have a favorable opinion of Joe Biden, while a majority of 57% have an unfavorable opinion.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/656330/obama-best-liked-among-living-presidents-biden-least.aspx


Actually GW Bush is more popular than Bill Clinton according to Gallup. People must have very short memories. Bush's policies created the Great Recession and his tax cuts and wars ballooned the deficit doubling our national debt.
 

Americans' Opinions of the Living U.S. Presidents

Favorable and unfavorable opinions of living U.S. presidents, based on a January 2025 poll. Fifty-nine percent have a favorable opinion of Barack Obama, the highest among the five living presidents. A slim majority have a positive opinion of George W. Bush, while 48% view Bill Clinton and Donald Trump favorably, although Trump has higher unfavorable ratings (50%) and Clinton a higher percentage without an opinion of him. Thirty-nine percent have a favorable opinion of Joe Biden, while a majority of 57% have an unfavorable opinion.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/656330/obama-best-liked-among-living-presidents-biden-least.aspx


Actually GW Bush is more popular than Bill Clinton according to Gallup. People must have very short memories. Bush's policies created the Great Recession and his tax cuts and wars ballooned the deficit doubling our national debt.
To remember or have a personal reflection on Bill Clinton’s presidency, one probably has to be around 35 years or older. That’s giving 10 years old at the beginning of Bill’s presidency. I’m not sure how much a 10-18 year old would remember. Obama being the most recent makes sense. More young folks would remember him while not having any reflection on Bill Clinton.

It is what it is, as for living presidents, Bill Clinton is still my choice. As for the best president in my lifetime, I’d go with Dwight D. Eisenhower, I was born right after WWII.
 
I was looking at their average over their entire presidency. Obama 48% average approval, G.W. Bush 49%. Click on their name and then snapshot. That'll give you the overall average along with the average of both terms. G.W Bush had an amazing high average for his first term, 62%, but averaged only 37% for his second term which led to his replacement John McCain losing to Obama. Obama didn't fluxuate, 48% approval first term, 47% approval second term. Now Bill Clinton had an 55% approval average for his entire presidency, 50% first term, 61% second term.




Bush's first term average was drastically inflated by the country rallying around him during 9/11. No way would the GOP, IMO, have rallied around Obama the same way had he been president during that time period.

Personally, I think a president's final approval rating is the most accurate judge of how people view one's presidency. Obama is actually more popular than Bill Clinton now, but Clinton was most popular when his term ended. And the fact of the matter is, no president yet in the modern era, Biden and even Trump included, was as unpopular as bush was when he left office.
 
The country is not faring worse, and we have a real President again.

California's problems are on Newsom.

Actually the Country is fairing much worse already and it is only picking up speed as it goes downhill.
 
Actually the Country is fairing much worse already and it is only picking up speed as it goes downhill.
That is not the popular position. The direction of the country is much improved under Trump.


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Actually the Country is fairing much worse already and it is only picking up speed as it goes downhill.
And the Trump Tariff Taxes on Americans hasn’t really hit yet.
 
Why is there still a war in Ukraine and why have prices not dropped dramatically in this country?

Is it because some people are so stupid that they can't protect themselves against con men?
 
And the Trump Tariff Taxes on Americans hasn’t really hit yet.
And may not for months. That's why Trump is so desperate to force the Fed to drop interest rates ASAP. He needs to muscle in some inflationary counterbalance before the midterms expose him, and tear his party to shreds.
 
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