The Coronavirus is not Trump's fault!

[element94]

You wouldn't be privy to such information if it actually happened. Fact is you're hoping he fails so can feel justified in your hate.

Oh, it happened boot-licker, get your head out of your, er, the sand.

 

[independentusa]

You wouldn't be privy to such information if it actually happened. Fact is you're hoping he fails so can feel justified in your hate.

Actually we know that his administration has made some stupid mistakes by allowing the 14 infected people off the cruise ship to come to this country and how they were handles once they got here but I doubt that Trump had a direct hand in any of that. He does need to get over the idea that we can keep this under the table. THe more people know, the less they will panic. What we do need to do is test, test, test people, something we have not done up to now. There is a company in SK that is producing 100 thousand test kits a day and the CDC should buy as many as they can get started testing. KNowing where and how big a problem outbreaks are in this country is the best way to stop the spread.

 

[element94]

What were these 'poor choices' you speak of? And keep in mind there has been no outbreak of the virus in the US.

REPORT: Whistleblower Reassigned After Claiming that HHS Workers Sent to Receive Americans Evacuation from China Weren't Trained with Precautions Against Coronavirus - Second Nexus

 

[independentusa]

What were these 'poor choices' you speak of? And keep in mind there has been no outbreak of the virus in the US.

If you have read or listened to the problems when they brought the 14 infected people off the cruise ship you would know what poor choices were made. They brought them in an airplane with other uninfected people and then when they arrived in the US they were met by people who were not wearing protive gear. The people who met them were not quarentined, so they could be spreading the virus. So we need to do better if we want to keep this from spreading as it has done in over 50 countries do far.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

It is the democrats fault for opposing travel bans before this started and having big blue cities full of foreigners.

That said, this does have the potential to transform work in a good way. If forced to, employers who having been lagging might learn the value of more people telecommuting. The savings in toilet paper and flushes will be huge.

So, if I'm reading you right, you're laying the blame for the virus squarely at the feet of twump?

OK.

 

[Craig234]

Larry Kudlow is on the Bloomberg Business channel right now. He's trying to calm fears by claiming this will be short lived and the market is fundamentally sound and will rebound. He also praised Trump for how he handled his press conference (did he see the same one we did?)

He said he believes that "The way he's handling this will have a very positive effect on his re-election campaign. I think it was one of the best press conferences I've ever seen him give."

I went back and read the media in the months leading to the Great Republican Depression in 1929. It's incredible (rather literally) how many top government and finance officials were providing assurances there was no problem.

Really, it's a good question that a lot of such assurances might be a good indication of a coming crash. An utter partisan hack like this above is not only meaningless, but perhaps an indication of the opposite.

 

[Athanasius68]

Agreed.

This is how they are handling it so far...

”The vice president’s first move appeared to be aimed at preventing the kind of contradictory statements from White House officials and top government health officials that have plagued the administration’s response. Even during his news conference Wednesday, Trump rejected the assessment from a top health official that it was inevitable that the coronavirus would spread more broadly inside the United States.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance.

The new White House approach came as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acknowledged Thursday that a California woman with coronavirus was made to wait days before she was tested for the disease because of the agency’s restrictive criteria about who may get tested.”​

Health officials ordered to clear all statements about coronavirus with Vice President Mike Pence - Baltimore Sun

It seems perfectly reasonable to require health officials to clear all statements about coronavirus through Mr. Pence. Somebody has to manage things.

 

[Craig234]

Actually I am anti Trump and you would know so if you have read any of my other posts. ...I am saying to wait and see and not make things worse by lambasting the administration until we see how they handle this problem.

I am not saying you are pro-trump generally. I am saying you are wrong to say trump shouldn't be held accountable for years of dismantling our preparedness that is ALREADY clearly harmful. Of COURSE he's accountable for that. You want destroying the government not to get criticized?

 

[Fletch]

REPORT: Whistleblower Reassigned After Claiming that HHS Workers Sent to Receive Americans Evacuation from China Weren't Trained with Precautions Against Coronavirus - Second Nexus

So Trump made the 'choice' to send people there without any safety gear? And they were working alongside CDC personnel that were in full gear? IF true it wasnt very bright on lots of levels, most specifically on those HHS people who went in with no protection. Im no expert on disease control but I wouldnt need someone to tell me to not go into an area under quarantine without protection. You would think the CDC people would have prevented them from doing so. Either way, none have shown signs of the virus and it is not the evidence of 'poor choices' that you claim it is.

 

[Linc]

Trump vs. the virus it is now. Let the Russians slide then it's the Chinese with their many viruses we need to worry about

Thanks to the vacuum dumb **** trump left in Syria, we may be forced to side with erDOGan of Turkey since Russian/Syrian planes killed dozens of Turkish soldiers AFTER slaughtering dozens of women and children a few days ago.

At this point, even if trump really tried to read his presidential intelligence briefings that EVERY president knew they had to read; even if trump became the president for ALL Americans; even if his admin became completely TRANSPARENT;

trump would be 3+ years behind. This is all a ****in reality show to this ****ing moron, a game of golf, an opportunity to benefit financially, a double middle finger to Obama; God help all you trumpistanis with grandchildren;

 

[Fletch]

I am not saying you are pro-trump generally. I am saying you are wrong to say trump shouldn't be held accountable for years of dismantling our preparedness that is ALREADY clearly harmful. Of COURSE he's accountable for that. You want destroying the government not to get criticized?

Nonsense as usual. You are blaming Trump for something that has not yet happened. There is no outbreak here in the US. You are just spouting your usual anti-Trump BS. Besides, Trumps ability to contain a virus has already been demonstrated. He was able to contain the TDS virus to mindless leftists and dopey anti-Trumpers. So he is the perfect person to be in charge of containing Corona.

 

[Fletch]

Thanks to the vacuum dumb **** trump left in Syria, we may be forced to side with erDOGan of Turkey since Russian/Syrian planes killed dozens of Turkish soldiers AFTER slaughtering dozens of women and children a few days ago.

At this point, even if trump really tried to read his presidential intelligence briefings that EVERY president knew they had to read; even if trump became the president for ALL Americans; even if his admin became completely TRANSPARENT;

trump would be 3+ years behind. This is all a ****in reality show to this ****ing moron, a game of golf, an opportunity to benefit financially, a double middle finger to Obama; God help all you trumpistanis with grandchildren;

:cuckoo:

 

[mike2810]

His poor choices in his response to the disease put people in harms way, and could lead to unnecessary additional contamination.

What response would have you liked to have seen? Have you been satisfied with the House (Congress) response to the coronavirus?

(no I am not a Trump supporter. Just curious what you believe would have been a more appropriate response).

 

[mike2810]

Trump may not have caused the virus, but his complete lack of leadership on managing it harming its management. He should let health experts do their thing and fund them fully, not put Mr. HIV Epidemic in charge.

Your demand not to criticize POTUS for that lack of leadership is absurd. Maybe you don't know how democracies work? :shrug:

I don't disagree that leadership is somewhat lacking from Trump and his Cabinet. Wouldn't "fund them fully" require Congress to agree and pass a spending bill to cover this new cost?

 

[HumblePi]

I went back and read the media in the months leading to the Great Republican Depression in 1929. It's incredible (rather literally) how many top government and finance officials were providing assurances there was no problem.

Really, it's a good question that a lot of such assurances might be a good indication of a coming crash. An utter partisan hack like this above is not only meaningless, but perhaps an indication of the opposite.

The Trump administration has made a huge miscalculation as to how to handle both the threat of the coronavirus and the hemorrhaging stock market. Their first defense as usual, is no defense, it's deflection. Rather than try to hush up the media by preventing anyone in the administration, including those in the CDC, to speak publicly about what steps are being taken, or what the current status of the virus is, will turn out to be mistake. During any crisis, the American public thirsts for transparency and information, if they don't get that, they will suspect something even worse than what the facts actually are.

The United States has never been less prepared to handle a possible pandemic. We're all reading about the steps that China and Japan are taking to contain the epidemic in their countries. Americans will soon be asking, 'what is our government doing, what steps are they taking to mitigate the possible damage and control the fears associated with a pandemic?' Trump should at least try to follow the path taken by Obama during the Ebola crisis. A permanent epidemic monitoring and command group was set up right inside the White House with officials from the NSC, CDC, DHS and people from the State Dept. all being there together, coordinating, planning, etc. They all listened to scientists and public health experts and followed their leads.

Then they did something very important, the president and his spokespeople reassured the public, told the American public that their health and safety is of primary importance and that's where their priorities lie. Obama's administration oordinated with state and local officials, that's probably one of the most vital factors, that everyone is on the same page. So far, we haven't had any evidence or reassurances that all of this is happening since Mike Pence has essentially put a gag order on anyone speaking publicly about what's going on day by day.

 

[jnug]

Trump did not create the coronavirus so blaming him for it is just stupid. What we do need to see though is how his administration handles what could be a pandemic. Trump needs to lose the it will hurt the stock market and get to work preparing the country for what might happen. People say we are overblowing this possible problem. I believe it is better to over prepare and not have a serious problem with this virus, than not be prepared and have it kill thousands of Ameicans, wouldn't you? So eveyone get down off he politics of this possible crisis and let the administration do what they can. Complaining about what Trump has done in the past that might make this a larger problem is not going to help.

Trump has already frigged it up.

The entire reason why Obama opted for response teams which Trump cut out of his administration is because we are NOT CHINA. China is not a free society. So they can simply lock down and barricade entire cities larger than NY and nobody is going to blink an eye in China.

Here, we prepare. Its really our only defense. We gather data. We conduct on site tests, not only in the US but in countries that are already experiencing a virus outbreak. So who in Trump's idiot administration did not realize that preparation is the only defense we have.

Its a trumpian cluster and this so called team under somebody is still doing nothing substantive at this point. They are arguing about titles at the moment and still today Trump and his toadies are talking like its all good. Nothing to worry about folks when in fact they have no clue.

Trumpkin and his idiot administration should have been out a month ago if not earlier. As it is:
- the State Dept has not announced No travel advisories for enough countries even today
- we are not doing nearly enough testing within our own borders, even today. Not even close on this one
- we have no idea how many carriers there are within our own borders at this point BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN TESTING
- we are basically where Germany is since they are also now onto community transmission. Only dif, we won't admit to ourselves. Germany has
- Trump's HHS bungled the staffing of greeters for those coming back on the planes we sent out to grab up Americans that had been exposed (probably causative to one aspect of our own community transmission problem). We sent the staffers out there with no training and no protective gear, then turned them loose in Cal without testing them.
- the State Dept for some unknown oblivious reason decided to bring back infected patients with those that had not as yet been tested as infected ON THE SAME PLANE with nothing more than a plastic screen up between them in the same passenger cabin. Trump probably drew that up with his magic sharpie
- we don't have enough test kits, enough protective gear for healthcare providers and we don't have enough drug remedies to keep even reasonable numbers of patients comfortable and their symptoms at bay.
- we have an administration that thinks it makes sense to keep scientists and health officials from talking directly to the public. Now, dumb as a tree stump Pence approves all statements

So Sorry, not willing to give them a pass. Trumpkin has gotten enough passes in the last three years and he has finally run into something that does not care about his bullcrap, a virus.

Its down to us now. Its down to personal hygiene and travel plans because our government has already FAILED to protect us.

 

[element94]

So Trump made the 'choice' to send people there without any safety gear? And they were working alongside CDC personnel that were in full gear? IF true it wasnt very bright on lots of levels, most specifically on those HHS people who went in with no protection. Im no expert on disease control but I wouldnt need someone to tell me to not go into an area under quarantine without protection. You would think the CDC people would have prevented them from doing so. Either way, none have shown signs of the virus and it is not the evidence of 'poor choices' that you claim it is.

Trump's an incompetent, and ultimately responsible, it comes with the job. He also puts incompetent people in place, that's on him.
If you read my original post on the subject I said it could lead to more contamination, which could have been avoided with competent people in charge instead.
It's painfully obvious, except to obfuscators, that this chain of incompetence has led to additional danger for the spread of the disease in the U.S., which was unnecessary. Sometimes in crises you have to make risky decisions, but this was just incompetence.

 

[Drowning Man]

It seems perfectly reasonable to require health officials to clear all statements about coronavirus through Mr. Pence. Somebody has to manage things.

"Manage" or filter based on what suits them?

 

[noonereal]

Actually I am anti Trump and you would know so if you have read any of my other posts. I did work in health care for over forty years and now we need to see the administration giving the providers the help they need if this becomes a problem in this country. Then we can judge by the outcome. I am saying to wait and see and not make things worse by lambasting the administration until we see how they handle this problem.

omg

dude, the guy is already lying and ****ed up already because of lack of organization

we need to get to the streets in protest to have him removed

this has gotten life threatening now

btw, i am a republican

just one who has not lost his moral compass as most have

 

[noonereal]

It seems perfectly reasonable to require health officials to clear all statements about coronavirus through Mr. Pence. Somebody has to manage things.

your thoughts are dangerous to our country

 

[WCH]

Oh, it happened boot-licker, get your head out of your, er, the sand.

Name one, homo... 'erectus]

 

[poweRob]

Trump did not create the coronavirus so blaming him for it is just stupid. What we do need to see though is how his administration handles what could be a pandemic. Trump needs to lose the it will hurt the stock market and get to work preparing the country for what might happen. People say we are overblowing this possible problem. I believe it is better to over prepare and not have a serious problem with this virus, than not be prepared and have it kill thousands of Ameicans, wouldn't you? So eveyone get down off he politics of this possible crisis and let the administration do what they can. Complaining about what Trump has done in the past that might make this a larger problem is not going to help.

What a straw man victim card. I've seen absolutely no one blame Trump for having created the corona virus. No one. He is however to be held accountable for his response to it.

 

[WCH]

Actually we know that his administration has made some stupid mistakes by allowing the 14 infected people off the cruise ship to come to this country and how they were handles once they got here but I doubt that Trump had a direct hand in any of that. He does need to get over the idea that we can keep this under the table. THe more people know, the less they will panic. What we do need to do is test, test, test people, something we have not done up to now. There is a company in SK that is producing 100 thousand test kits a day and the CDC should buy as many as they can get started testing. KNowing where and how big a problem outbreaks are in this country is the best way to stop the spread.

There are way tooo man variables here to point blame at anyone. i. e. the new case in N. California.

 

[Fraggle Rock]

 

[HumblePi]

omg

dude, the guy is already lying and ****ed up already because of lack of organization

we need to get to the streets in protest to have him removed

this has gotten life threatening now

btw, i am a republican

just one who has not lost his moral compass as most have

You are the very first republican that I've seen admit that Trump is a horror. As you've stated, for some republicans that I know, it's all about the economy and their wallets. They don't like him personally and don't believe he's making wise decisions but will vote for him again because they believe he's good for them monetarily. There are few that I know, or have met, that listen to their moral compass and reject him for being a soul-less, immoral, incompetent fool.