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The coming ice age

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Young people can't rememberer this but us old farts do and it may be instructive to those that don't.

In Search Of... The Coming Ice Age (1978) [Global Cooling] - YouTube


News articles*:
1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
 
Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel – ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator – ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor
 
Yep. Although the affect of "it" has been evolving, from global cooling to global warming and now simply global "climate change", the bottom line is always the same; we need global income redistribution and a "one world" gov't to fix "it". ;)
 
It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of when. I just hope it's after I'm long dead and gone.

It will be calamitous. Scumbags and their brainwashed minions speak in panicked tones about global warming as if it would be a huge problem. But no facts justify their scaremongering. Global cooling on the other hand would be horrific. Much of the world's granary crops would be decimated.
 
Yes, the media really did play up that ice age thing.
 
I do not fear the coming ice age nearly as much as I fear the coming dark age!!!
 
The point you are trying to make is that "science" has been "wrong". Unfortunately, what you would have to demonstrate is that the scientific consensus has been wrong in the past. You see, many countless scientists have been wrong, so you can find failed hypotheses all over if you want. And that is what this whole thing from you is: you finding exactly what you want to find.
 
Yes, the media really did play up that ice age thing.

And they are not playing up this warming-climate change thing thing LMAO

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No, the media is definitely playing up the global warming thing too.

And swine flu.

And every sex scandal in history.

And every time you read about some miracle medical breakthrough/energy breakthrough/whatever that will solve everything in 10 years.

It is literally their job to make something sound more interesting than it is. Real science is boring. Really boring. It doesn't sell papers. "Some scientists predict increased aerosol forcing might lead to global temperature reduction of 1C" doesn't sell papers. "How to survive the coming ice age" does. Because OMG I MUST BUY THIS COPY OF TIME MAGAZINE TO SAVE MY FAMILY FROM THE ICE AGE.

That most famous of "coming ice age" articles? (Time Magazine) If you actually read it, you'll find they don't actually name a single scientist or cite a single research paper that predicts a coming ice age. The make the statement that an increasingly large group of "climatological cassandras" is becoming more concerned about yadda yadda. Wait. Climatological cassandras? What the hell does that even mean, and why didn't you name anyone or give us a quote to go with!?

But nobody remembers the details. They just remember the headlines and that stupid picture with the penguin or whatever.

Here's a perfect example, sawyer, and it came from your own list: (literally the first random one I clicked on to read)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=1oxLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EyQNAAAAIBAJ&pg=7074,2222741
Headline: "New Ice Age slipping over North."

Quote from said article: "The full impact of the new ice age will not be upon us for another 10,000 years."

But the headline got your attention. Enough for someone to buy the newspaper. (or in this case, include it in a list of media exaggerations)


edit: Hahahah, the second random one I clicked is this one
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=DclQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WNAMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1765,1073786

It's the same quote from the same person.
 
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The point you are trying to make is that "science" has been "wrong". Unfortunately, what you would have to demonstrate is that the scientific consensus has been wrong in the past. You see, many countless scientists have been wrong, so you can find failed hypotheses all over if you want. And that is what this whole thing from you is: you finding exactly what you want to find.

Science isnt politics and unlike with politicians it takes only one scientist to get it right for any so called 'consensus' to immediately go straight down the pan
 
No, the media is definitely playing up the global warming thing too.

And swine flu.

And every sex scandal in history.

And every time you read about some miracle medical breakthrough/energy breakthrough/whatever that will solve everything in 10 years.

It is literally their job to make something sound more interesting than it is. Real science is boring. Really boring. It doesn't sell papers. "Some scientists predict increased aerosol forcing might lead to global temperature reduction of 1C" doesn't sell papers. "How to survive the coming ice age" does. Because OMG I MUST BUY THIS COPY OF TIME MAGAZINE TO SAVE MY FAMILY FROM THE ICE AGE.

That most famous of "coming ice age" articles? (Time Magazine) If you actually read it, you'll find they don't actually name a single scientist or cite a single research paper that predicts a coming ice age. The make the statement that an increasingly large group of "climatological cassandras" is becoming more concerned about yadda yadda. Wait. Climatological cassandras? What the hell does that even mean, and why didn't you name anyone or give us a quote to go with!?

But nobody remembers the details. They just remember the headlines and that stupid picture with the penguin or whatever.

Here's a perfect example, sawyer, and it came from your own list: (literally the first random one I clicked on to read)

The Press-Courier - Google News Archive Search
Headline: "New Ice Age slipping over North."

Quote from said article: "The full impact of the new ice age will not be upon us for another 10,000 years."

But the headline got your attention. Enough for someone to buy the newspaper. (or in this case, include it in a list of media exaggerations)


edit: Hahahah, the second random one I clicked is this one
The Portsmouth Times - Google News Archive Search

It's the same quote from the same person.

There is 6 pages of articles from this era of ice age mania and those of us who lived through it and even believed the steady drumbeat by "all the scientist" and the media learned our lesson. Someday you too will learn yours and look back on your foolish and gullible youth with a chuckle. Then again you may learn nothing and jump aboard the very next band wagon that rolls into town, time will tell. You did conveniently leave out of your post how those links said the earth would get progressively colder over the next century so I applaud you for a good job picking cherries. Your "full impact" quote means a full blown ice age that has glaciers clear to San Diego and nobody was arguing that we would be in an ice age overnight, just that we were heading that direction, "getting progressively colder" so you the hater of straw men just created one or at least tried to. :lol:
 
I'm guessing all of the spikes in America's weather patterns are due to "Weather Warfare". I'm also guessing that HARP is our weapon.

I will also state that I think Weather Warfare is more dangerous than nukes in the long run.

Is "Global Warming" a program to fund "Weather Warfare"?

Just theories and thoughts. No reason to troll me about this..
 
I'm guessing all of the spikes in America's weather patterns are due to "Weather Warfare". I'm also guessing that HARP is our weapon.

I will also state that I think Weather Warfare is more dangerous than nukes in the long run.

Is "Global Warming" a program to fund "Weather Warfare"?

Just theories and thoughts. No reason to troll me about this..
What spikes? There is no increase in long term trends,

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There is 6 pages of articles from this era of ice age mania and those of us who lived through it and even believed the steady drumbeat by "all the scientist" and the media learned our lesson. Someday you too will learn yours and look back on your foolish and gullible youth with a chuckle. Then again you may learn nothing and jump aboard the very next band wagon that rolls into town, time will tell. You did conveniently leave out of your post how those links said the earth would get progressively colder over the next century so I applaud you for a good job picking cherries. Your "full impact" quote means a full blown ice age that has glaciers clear to San Diego and nobody was arguing that we would be in an ice age overnight, just that we were heading that direction, "getting progressively colder" so you the hater of straw men just created one or at least tried to. :lol:

So don't listen to the media. Listen to the science.

There were scientists in that same era predicting warming too. It was the early stages of climate research, and there really was question about which forcing was stronger. In 1975, the NAS said this:
we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate.
The climates of the earth have always been changing, and they will doubtless continue to do so in the future. How large these future changes will be, and where and how rapidly they will occur, we do not know.

Hardly a resounding support for global cooling.

My argument has always been this: some scientists predicted cooling in the 70s. But it wasn't all of them, and nobody predicted an imminent ice age. You've just agreed with me on that last part, so there's no straw man here.

By 1979, things had definitely shifted in favor of warming. That's what happens in a relatively new field of science. There's not a good lesson about "all the scientists" in the global cooling idea, because "all the scientists" never held that consensus. Even those predicting global cooling often based it on certain assumptions that didn't bear out. For example:

An increase by only a factor of 4 in global aerosol background concentration may be sufficient to reduce the surface temperature by as much as 3.5 ° K. If sustained over a period of several years, such a temperature decrease over the whole globe is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age."[23
Rasool & Schneider 1971

That increase in aerosols never occurred, in fact those aerosols decreased due to tightening environmental regulation. (Turns out we don't like smog)
 
So don't listen to the media. Listen to the science.

There were scientists in that same era predicting warming too. It was the early stages of climate research, and there really was question about which forcing was stronger. In 1975, the NAS said this:


Hardly a resounding support for global cooling.

My argument has always been this: some scientists predicted cooling in the 70s. But it wasn't all of them, and nobody predicted an imminent ice age. You've just agreed with me on that last part, so there's no straw man here.

By 1979, things had definitely shifted in favor of warming. That's what happens in a relatively new field of science. There's not a good lesson about "all the scientists" in the global cooling idea, because "all the scientists" never held that consensus. Even those predicting global cooling often based it on certain assumptions that didn't bear out. For example:


Rasool & Schneider 1971

That increase in aerosols never occurred, in fact those aerosols decreased due to tightening environmental regulation. (Turns out we don't like smog)

Not "all the scientist" agree on AGW now. I have debunked that myth several times in here.

Your straw man was saying it would take 10,000 years for a full blown ice age so that somehow made the statement that we were heading towards an ice age irrelavent. Your implication was there were people predicting an immediate ice age (the straw man).


All this stuff is the usual attempt at distraction though. The point of my OP was when I was young we were subjected to a daily dose of how the climate was cooling and we were causing it and it was exactly like what we are being subjected to now with AGW. The moral of the story is be a skeptic, don't glom on to every current fad and theory that comes down the pike. You are a dyed in the wool warmer cultist and I am not really speaking to you or your ilk on this, I am speaking to those still deciding. You're beyond saving.:lol:
 
Not "all the scientist" agree on AGW now. I have debunked that myth several times in here.

Your straw man was saying it would take 10,000 years for a full blown ice age so that somehow made the statement that we were heading towards an ice age irrelavent. Your implication was there were people predicting an immediate ice age (the straw man).


All this stuff is the usual attempt at distraction though. The point of my OP was when I was young we were subjected to a daily dose of how the climate was cooling and we were causing it and it was exactly like what we are being subjected to now with AGW. The moral of the story is be a skeptic, don't glom on to every current fad and theory that comes down the pike. You are a dyed in the wool warmer cultist and I am not really speaking to you or your ilk on this, I am speaking to those still deciding. You're beyond saving.:lol:

No, "all the scientists" do not agree now. Nor did they then.

But why compare the two? Four decades of further research is why warming is a better argument than cooling ever was. So what that you were bombarded with dire predictions of the media then and now? Why are they important? Does media perception or presentation affect reality?

My view doesn't come from the media. It comes from science. And only science is going to change that view.
 
I read something on the Himalaya recently which stated that even though an ice age is scheduled to begin, the glaciers are actually beginning to melt.
 
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