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The Christian Right - Founded upon honoring God and opposition to slavery

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Leftists have too frequently accused the Christian Right of hating blacks and loving slavery. That is a lie.

Who knows what secular schools and universities are teaching kids nowadays but if they are teaching that Christian conservatives in politics are racist against blacks then they are teaching a lie. The types of Christians who please God are not racist, but they are advocates of things God approves of and opponents of those things that displease God. Here is what Wikipedia said about the Christian Right:

Christian right - Wikipedia

The Christian right is notable for advancing socially conservative positions on issues including abortion, homosexuality, pornography, intelligent design, embryonic stem cell research,[9] school prayer, contraception, euthanasia and sex education.[10]

History
In 1863, representatives from eleven Christian denominations in the United States organized the National Reform Association with the goal of adding a Christian amendment to the U.S. Constitution, in order to establish the country as a Christian state.[13] The National Reform Association is seen as one of the first organizations of the Christian right, through which adherents from several Christian denominations worked together to try to enshrine Christianity in American politics.[13]


The Christian Right can be traced back to 1863, as Wikipedia said, to the foundation of the National Reform Association. Here is some info on that organization:

From Whence We Came: A Background of the National Reform Association -NRA

The National Reform Association was born when this nation was in the throes of a war between its own states. In 1861 the Lakes Presbytery of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America [RPCNA] passed the following resolution regarding the Civil War: ...

Their concern, however, was primarily with slavery, and not with the lack of acknowledgment of Jesus Christ in our national law. While some abolitionists and other social reformers came to a position much like that of the Covenanters, they did so in a different direction, and for different reasons than the Covenanters. Covenanters opposed the Constitution primarily because it forgot God and did not acknowledge Christ, and secondarily because it had pro-slavery provisions. They saw slavery as the manifestation of the root problem of godlessness.

 

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One can be racist while still not going so far as to support slavery.
 

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Leftists have too frequently accused the Christian Right of hating blacks and loving slavery. That is a lie.

Who knows what secular schools and universities are teaching kids nowadays but if they are teaching that Christian conservatives in politics are racist against blacks then they are teaching a lie. The types of Christians who please God are not racist, but they are advocates of things God approves of and opponents of those things that displease God. Here is what Wikipedia said about the Christian Right:

Christian right - Wikipedia

The Christian right is notable for advancing socially conservative positions on issues including abortion, homosexuality, pornography, intelligent design, embryonic stem cell research,[9] school prayer, contraception, euthanasia and sex education.[10]

History
In 1863, representatives from eleven Christian denominations in the United States organized the National Reform Association with the goal of adding a Christian amendment to the U.S. Constitution, in order to establish the country as a Christian state.[13] The National Reform Association is seen as one of the first organizations of the Christian right, through which adherents from several Christian denominations worked together to try to enshrine Christianity in American politics.[13]


The Christian Right can be traced back to 1863, as Wikipedia said, to the foundation of the National Reform Association. Here is some info on that organization:

From Whence We Came: A Background of the National Reform Association -NRA

The National Reform Association was born when this nation was in the throes of a war between its own states. In 1861 the Lakes Presbytery of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America [RPCNA] passed the following resolution regarding the Civil War: ...

Their concern, however, was primarily with slavery, and not with the lack of acknowledgment of Jesus Christ in our national law. While some abolitionists and other social reformers came to a position much like that of the Covenanters, they did so in a different direction, and for different reasons than the Covenanters. Covenanters opposed the Constitution primarily because it forgot God and did not acknowledge Christ, and secondarily because it had pro-slavery provisions. They saw slavery as the manifestation of the root problem of godlessness.


The Republican Party was founded on it opposition to slavery and fought the American Civil War and the passed the Thirteenth Amendment to abolish slavery in the United States. As far as the historical record is concerned, no-one can challenge you on that. But, the Southern Strategy under Nixon meant the GOP appealed to racism against African Americans and the party has continued with that to the present day. Now, Republicans fly the Confederate Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride or White Pride at rallies for the President of the United States. They are entitled to do so under the First Amendment, but it sends out a really bad message when you could just as easily fly the stars and stripes.

If Christians are sincere in their faith and believe in racial equality and that their faith commands them to oppose slavery, perhaps Christians should demonstrate their hostility to claims of white nationalism and white supremacy which justified slavery in the Confederacy and the United States by not voting Republican until the party stops courting the far-right for it's electoral base?

 

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That is a lie.

What is a lie is your continued revisionist history.

The "Christian Right" is too broad a term to apply to everyone from Maine to Florida, and from North Carolina to anywhere out west. What existed across the south east primarily, no matter what party they lined up under, was anything but civil rights oriented even with bible in hand. There is a distinct period in US history where political ideologies all ended up shuffled in a deck and the result discarded the history before it. But ultimately Republicans in the 1850's and 1860's, at the time upset with the Whig Party, have zero association to what you see today.

None.

We already know minorities started to flip from the "anti-slavery" Republican Party's going all the way back to fallout from the Great Depression, the political decisions made at the time, and all the way up to the Civil Rights movements of the 1950's and 1960's. The Civil Rights act of 1964 saw this political polarization play out, most Democrats and Republicans across the south opposed the act and it took us to the all important period of the late 1960's to early 1970's where the Republican Party faced an identity crisis. The Civil Rights movement, the various social revolutions across the nation, protests against War and the lies from the government all gave rise to what we see today out of the Democratic Party, and it exposed what was left for the Republican Party to represent.

The flip was complete and all the Bible thumping theocratic racists across the south found their new home, the Republican Party.

Also complete we saw the issues minorities cared about find a voice. Civil rights advancements, the notion of women's equality, trying to stand for what was left of unions and the middle class, the fight against aristocracy and theocracy, fighting for individual freedoms and expression, standing up to today's Republicans wanting to marginalize gays and lesbians, etc. all found their new home in the Democratic Party.

As early as 1968 the new division in this nation was clear on where everyone's political political home was from that point forward.

Christian conservatism blended with southeastern state deep-seeded racism and found representation in the Republican Party. All the confederate flag waving 'rebel yell' or 'the south will rise again' lunatics became ideologically and politically blended with their KKK brothers and also found representation in the Republican Party you see today. Northeastern conservatism especially ended up muted to the evangelical boisterous south, which was ironic when you think about where why and by whom the Republican Party was founded.

It is not our fault all the anti-constitutional socially-oppressive theocratic white people today are shoulder-to-shoulder with their racists counterparts at Republican rallies. It is also not our fault that the Republican Party today looks like what racists wanted back in the 1950's whereas the Democratic Party looks like the nation.

Whatever "anti-slavery" roots the Republican Party had way back in the 1850's was hijacked by what we see today, your revision of history will never diminish that today's Republicans are the last bastion of White Nationalism and outward racism, and pretending Republicans today "honor god" is nothing more than glorified lipstick on a pig.
 
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One can be racist while still not going so far as to support slavery.

One can also be a racist and falsely accuse millions of innocent people of being racists because they don't like their skin color.
 

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The Republican Party was founded on it opposition to slavery and fought the American Civil War and the passed the Thirteenth Amendment to abolish slavery in the United States. As far as the historical record is concerned, no-one can challenge you on that. But, the Southern Strategy under Nixon meant the GOP appealed to racism against African Americans and the party has continued with that to the present day. Now, Republicans fly the Confederate Flag as a symbol of Southern Pride or White Pride at rallies for the President of the United States. They are entitled to do so under the First Amendment, but it sends out a really bad message when you could just as easily fly the stars and stripes.

If Christians are sincere in their faith and believe in racial equality and that their faith commands them to oppose slavery, perhaps Christians should demonstrate their hostility to claims of white nationalism and white supremacy which justified slavery in the Confederacy and the United States by not voting Republican until the party stops courting the far-right for it's electoral base?


Leftist Christians, whether white or black, hate innocent people without cause. Their sin is inexcusable. It is also a sin to accuse innocent people of sins they are not guilty of.
 

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What is a lie is your continued revisionist history.

The "Christian Right" is too broad a term to apply to everyone from Maine to Florida, and from North Carolina to anywhere out west. What existed across the south east primarily, no matter what party they lined up under, was anything but civil rights oriented even with bible in hand. There is a distinct period in US history where political ideologies all ended up shuffled in a deck and the result discarded the history before it. But ultimately Republicans in the 1850's and 1860's, at the time upset with the Whig Party, have zero association to what you see today.

None.

We already know minorities started to flip from the "anti-slavery" Republican Party's going all the way back to fallout from the Great Depression, the political decisions made at the time, and all the way up to the Civil Rights movements of the 1950's and 1960's. The Civil Rights act of 1964 saw this political polarization play out, most Democrats and Republicans across the south opposed the act and it took us to the all important period of the late 1960's to early 1970's where the Republican Party faced an identity crisis. The Civil Rights movement, the various social revolutions across the nation, protests against War and the lies from the government all gave rise to what we see today out of the Democratic Party, and it exposed what was left for the Republican Party to represent.

The flip was complete and all the Bible thumping theocratic racists across the south found their new home, the Republican Party.

Also complete we saw the issues minorities cared about find a voice. Civil rights advancements, the notion of women's equality, trying to stand for what was left of unions and the middle class, the fight against aristocracy and theocracy, fighting for individual freedoms and expression, standing up to today's Republicans wanting to marginalize gays and lesbians, etc. all found their new home in the Democratic Party.

As early as 1968 the new division in this nation was clear on where everyone's political political home was from that point forward.

Christian conservatism blended with southeastern state deep-seeded racism and found representation in the Republican Party. All the confederate flag waving 'rebel yell' or 'the south will rise again' lunatics became ideologically and politically blended with their KKK brothers and also found representation in the Republican Party you see today. Northeastern conservatism especially ended up muted to the evangelical boisterous south, which was ironic when you think about where why and by whom the Republican Party was founded.

It is not our fault all the anti-constitutional socially-oppressive theocratic white people today are shoulder-to-shoulder with their racists counterparts at Republican rallies. It is also not our fault that the Republican Party today looks like what racists wanted back in the 1950's whereas the Democratic Party looks like the nation.

Whatever "anti-slavery" roots the Republican Party had way back in the 1850's was hijacked by what we see today, your revision of history will never diminish that today's Republicans are the last bastion of White Nationalism and outward racism, and pretending Republicans today "honor god" is nothing more than glorified lipstick on a pig.

I have read the writings of Christians who lived 4 or 5 hundred years ago and our views are the same. While humans can flip flop all over the place God never changes and His Word never changes, so Christians should never change on their core beliefs.
 

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One can also be a racist and falsely accuse millions of innocent people of being racists because they don't like their skin color.

There is a lot of accusation of black racism in the world, I agree.
 

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Southern democrats. They were wrong, but many of them were not willing to listen to their northern abolitionist Christian neighbors. There were also Christians in the South who opposed slavery as well for religious reasons. I applaud them for their beliefs.
 

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I have read the writings of Christians who lived 4 or 5 hundred years ago and our views are the same. While humans can flip flop all over the place God never changes and His Word never changes, so Christians should never change on their core beliefs.

Your post is nothing more than rhetoric filled anecdotal uselessness, and total avoidance of the discussion.

Knowingly or not you just admitted that you support Christians and their views across the last few centuries, those views that eradicated native Americans for their land on one side and participated in human trafficking and slavery on the other. The point being "his word" has been used to justify more acts of division, theft, murder, and lunacy than just about anything else we have had to encounter. "Core beliefs" being nothing more than self-servicing and convenient translation of Bronze Age text written by men who never met Jesus but uses to justify their opinions of white superiority.

Republicans today, especially "Christian Conservatives," love to talk about southern Democrats in the 1940's and 1950's all the while ignoring their heritage was passed on to the very party they stand for today. Standing shoulder to shoulder with the KKK, Nazi's, and other racist organizations that all hold up that same "his word" to justify their insanity.

You can pretend all you want, paint any roses and sunshine picture you tell yourself, with some revisionist history under Christianity now or at some other point but it will never substitute for actual truth and actual history.
 

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Your post is nothing more than rhetoric filled anecdotal uselessness, and total avoidance of the discussion.

Knowingly or not you just admitted that you support Christians and their views across the last few centuries, those views that eradicated native Americans for their land on one side and participated in human trafficking and slavery on the other. The point being "his word" has been used to justify more acts of division, theft, murder, and lunacy than just about anything else we have had to encounter. "Core beliefs" being nothing more than self-servicing and convenient translation of Bronze Age text written by men who never met Jesus but uses to justify their opinions of white superiority.

Republicans today, especially "Christian Conservatives," love to talk about southern Democrats in the 1940's and 1950's all the while ignoring their heritage was passed on to the very party they stand for today. Standing shoulder to shoulder with the KKK, Nazi's, and other racist organizations that all hold up that same "his word" to justify their insanity.

You can pretend all you want, paint any roses and sunshine picture you tell yourself, with some revisionist history under Christianity now or at some other point but it will never substitute for actual truth and actual history.

You need to clean up your post. You have vague accusations cast up against mixed bodies of Americans who may or may not have done this or that thing you allege. If you want to address a specific crime or wrongdoing then you would be wiser to detail the wrongdoings and specify the boundaries which divide the innocent from the guilty. Castigating all Christians for the crimes of some is no different, for example, than blaming all blacks for the crimes of some.
 

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Leftists have too frequently accused the Christian Right of hating blacks and loving slavery. That is a lie.

Who knows what secular schools and universities are teaching kids nowadays but if they are teaching that Christian conservatives in politics are racist against blacks then they are teaching a lie. The types of Christians who please God are not racist, but they are advocates of things God approves of and opponents of those things that displease God. Here is what Wikipedia said about the Christian Right:

Christian right - Wikipedia

The Christian right is notable for advancing socially conservative positions on issues including abortion, homosexuality, pornography, intelligent design, embryonic stem cell research,[9] school prayer, contraception, euthanasia and sex education.[10]

History
In 1863, representatives from eleven Christian denominations in the United States organized the National Reform Association with the goal of adding a Christian amendment to the U.S. Constitution, in order to establish the country as a Christian state.[13] The National Reform Association is seen as one of the first organizations of the Christian right, through which adherents from several Christian denominations worked together to try to enshrine Christianity in American politics.[13]


The Christian Right can be traced back to 1863, as Wikipedia said, to the foundation of the National Reform Association. Here is some info on that organization:

From Whence We Came: A Background of the National Reform Association -NRA

The National Reform Association was born when this nation was in the throes of a war between its own states. In 1861 the Lakes Presbytery of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America [RPCNA] passed the following resolution regarding the Civil War: ...

Their concern, however, was primarily with slavery, and not with the lack of acknowledgment of Jesus Christ in our national law. While some abolitionists and other social reformers came to a position much like that of the Covenanters, they did so in a different direction, and for different reasons than the Covenanters. Covenanters opposed the Constitution primarily because it forgot God and did not acknowledge Christ, and secondarily because it had pro-slavery provisions. They saw slavery as the manifestation of the root problem of godlessness.


Do good christians go around grabbing women's pussies? Just wondering?
 

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The 'Christian Right' does not even exist here in Sweden or anywhere else in Europe. It is purely a US pestilence. Why is that I wonder? Can it simply be that the US is the most backward of developed countries, still in thrall to superstition and ignorance?
 

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The christian right as represented is a perversion of religion and politics, and the end result, The Trump usurpation, is appalling.
 

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You need to clean up your post. You have vague accusations cast up against mixed bodies of Americans who may or may not have done this or that thing you allege. If you want to address a specific crime or wrongdoing then you would be wiser to detail the wrongdoings and specify the boundaries which divide the innocent from the guilty. Castigating all Christians for the crimes of some is no different, for example, than blaming all blacks for the crimes of some.

Irony, you accusing others of being vague.
 

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Do good christians go around grabbing women's pussies? Just wondering?

No, Christians who commit adultery, fornication, sodomy and the like are not pleasing God. And just to be clear, unsaved sinners who do those things also displease God.
 

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I have seen some disgusting pictures and this one rates right up at the top. Teaching hatred, it's the american way.

If someone finds himself going to a church which honors racism then that person needs to change churches.
 

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The 'Christian Right' does not even exist here in Sweden or anywhere else in Europe. It is purely a US pestilence. Why is that I wonder? Can it simply be that the US is the most backward of developed countries, still in thrall to superstition and ignorance?

There are Bible believing Christians in Sweden also, but no doubt their numbers are relatively small, as they are in America.
 

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One can also be a racist and falsely accuse millions of innocent people of being racists because they don't like their skin color.

Answer me a question, why is it Blacks, for a large part, have their own Churches?
 

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There are Bible believing Christians in Sweden also, but no doubt their numbers are relatively small, as they are in America.

True, though as you suggest their numbers are small. More importantly, in the context of this thread, they are as likely to 'left' as 'right'.
 

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Answer me a question, why is it Blacks, for a large part, have their own Churches?

Because Church members enjoy fellowshipping with people who share their views, values and culture. That is perfectly logical, normal and acceptible.
 

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The 'Christian Right' does not even exist here in Sweden or anywhere else in Europe. It is purely a US pestilence. Why is that I wonder? Can it simply be that the US is the most backward of developed countries, still in thrall to superstition and ignorance?

Why yes, yes it could be; speaking in tongues, snake handling etc. The US is so advanced in many ways yet with a strong undercurrent of 16th century beliefs and religious practise. Those are some seriously weird people:

Snake-Handling Pastor Bitten By Deadly Rattlesnake | MY LIFE INSIDE: THE SNAKE CHURCH - YouTube

And a while later in part 2:

Pastor Fights For Life After Deadly Rattlesnake's Bite | MY LIFE INSIDE: THE SNAKE CHURCH - YouTube

"We are a normal family" :lamo
 
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