The children of Gaza

[TheDemSocialist]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Jon Snow recounts the scene in Gaza's al-Shifa hospital, where doctors struggle to treat adults and children wounded by Israeli attacks.

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[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Video @:[/FONT] The Children of Gaza

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Call me what you want, but I [/FONT][FONT=arial, sans-serif]literally[/FONT][FONT=arial, sans-serif] cried because o this. [/FONT]

 

[gunner]

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[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Video @:[/FONT] The Children of Gaza

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Call me what you want, but I [/FONT][FONT=arial, sans-serif]literally[/FONT][FONT=arial, sans-serif] cried because o this. [/FONT]

Then it's had the desired effect.

Paul

 

[William Rea]

There are no children, just collateral.

 

[maxaitor]

Israel is doing a genocide on children and civilians.

 

[Serenity]

There is no 3 minute video or any amount of self education that will ever prepare you for the reality of the situation in Gaza for the kids (even without the current ground operation). It's impossible to imagine it or even explain it unless you see it, and even then you are always well aware that your experience is not at all the reality of what it is for those kinds who know no other way of life.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Welcome to that which is war.

Who knows better at conducting that than humanity?

Cities fall, countries fall, so why wouldn't children?

A sad reality, that you cannot ever take away from war, but it's a reality nonetheless.

It's terrible, I've lost family in wars, I'm sure many of you have probably lost family in wars, these children, would they not be in a family as well? Would their family members grieve just like we grieve? Sometime I consider it tribal to grieve only for your own losses but the more I think about it, maybe I should? Were I to grieve or feel sorrow for every death I hear I would become such a miserable person at the age of 15.

War isn't going anywhere, we just have to live with it.

 

[Sababa]

Except the reporter in this video lied and again makes a stupid statement about Iron Dome. It doesn't stop everything just most things. It is needed because Hamas fires rockets all the time (not just in the last few weeks) at Israel with the intent of killing children and without it there would be many more Israeli deaths. Hamas in Gaza could have the same kind of security....they don't. Why? Because they building rockets instead of shelters. They are responsible for those children's injuries and deaths.

If you really want to rally the world community to stop it then end the Hamas rule of Gaza, end sending materials that get turned into weapons and stop lying about what is going on.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

There is no 3 minute video or any amount of self education that will ever prepare you for the reality of the situation in Gaza for the kids (even without the current ground operation). It's impossible to imagine it or even explain it unless you see it, and even then you are always well aware that your experience is not at all the reality of what it is for those kinds who know no other way of life.

That's true, but for me at least when I experience something I become numb to it. Down in Brazil as we saw the favelas, we saw them, starving children, homeless old women actually driven to insanity, talking to themselves.

We helped them, we fed a young girl at the age of 16 because she was on the sidewalk in the middle of the night starving.

We gave money to an old insane woman lying down at a pole.

We fed a starving despaired man on the business sector of Rio De Janeiro!

All the while, each time my father and I helped someone, the more I became less affected by it, the less I cried, the less I felt shivers.

You just don't feel it anymore.

I guess the only way you can ever not get numb to it is by being in it. That's the truth I've learned from being in a third world country, but who knows, we're all wired differently.

 

[Ikari]

Except the reporter in this video lied and again makes a stupid statement about Iron Dome. It doesn't stop everything just most things. It is needed because Hamas fires rockets all the time (not just in the last few weeks) at Israel with the intent of killing children and without it there would be many more Israeli deaths. Hamas in Gaza could have the same kind of security....they don't. Why? Because they building rockets instead of shelters. They are responsible for those children's injuries and deaths.

If you really want to rally the world community to stop it then end the Hamas rule of Gaza, end sending materials that get turned into weapons and stop lying about what is going on.

Hamas would have to go, the attacks would have to stop. But Israel would have to recognize the humanity of the Palestinian people, cease blockades and other interventionist policies meant to disrupt Palestinian life and deprive them of essential resources, land, and liberty.

Only by both sides stopping their aggression can this conflict end...which is likely why this conflict would not end. Killing massive numbers of women and children, however, won't stop anything.

 

[Sababa]

Hamas would have to go, the attacks would have to stop.

and when that happens the situation changes.

But Israel would have to recognize the humanity of the Palestinian people

Yes and not only do they do that....they provide tons of humanitarian aid to them. Provide 70,000 Gazians with power and make sure that civilians are aware of their actions.

, cease blockades

Every loosening of the blockade has led to more rockets not fewer.

and other interventionist policies meant to disrupt Palestinian life and deprive them of essential resources, land, and liberty.

Several years ago Israel pulled out of Gaza and left them alone......what happened?

Only by both sides stopping their aggression can this conflict end...which is likely why this conflict would not end. Killing massive numbers of women and children, however, won't stop anything.

yes you should tell Hamas to stop causing that.

 

[Ikari]

and when that happens the situation changes.

Just that? No. Israel would have to stop their aggression against the Palestinian people as well. Only then can the solution be found. If Israel refuses to see and respect the humanity of the Palestinians, the cycle will continue.

It takes two to tango, both sides are guilty, both sides would have to grow up and do what's right for their People. If either side is really interested in peace, that is. I just doubt that.

 

[Sababa]

Just that? No. Israel would have to stop their aggression against the Palestinian people as well.

Please be specific........because if the terror stops Israel's bombing stops.

Only then can the solution be found. If Israel refuses to see and respect the humanity of the Palestinians, the cycle will continue.

Again Israel does more for the Palestinians than any nation in history has done for people who want to see them dead. You assertion that they don't see the humanity of Palestinians is an insane lie.

It takes two to tango, both sides are guilty, both sides would have to grow up and do what's right for their People. If either side is really interested in peace, that is. I just doubt that.

Well you doubt it because of your deep seated ignorance.

 

[Ikari]

Please be specific........because if the terror stops Israel's bombing stops.

Blockades, cutting the Palestinians off from resources, occupation of their lands and dwellings, etc. Essentially, Israel would need to recognize the rights and liberties of the Palestinian people and act accordingly. If they went further and into reconstruction, it would go even further towards fighting the hate. But it's embedded generationally on both sides, so it will take some time no matter what. But build roads and sewers and water plants and schools and hospitals, etc. That sort of action can lead to a quelling of hate and fear, and once people have something to lose they are less likely to engage in activities to lose it.

 

[CanadaJohn]

My signature line says it all.

 

[Serenity]

I guess the only way you can ever not get numb to it is by being in it. That's the truth I've learned from being in a third world country, but who knows, we're all wired differently.

That's true for some i guess. I personally found it very difficult for a long time to settle back into any kind of "normality" when i came back home. It's difficult not to feel guilty sometimes at the life we are fortunate to lead which is so different to theirs. Now when i see and hear stories of the current situation there it is impossible to remain numb. Those kids are not just "consequences of war" and contrary to popular belief they are worth grieving over.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

That's true for some i guess. I personally found it very difficult for a long time to settle back into any kind of "normality" when i came back home. It's difficult not to feel guilty sometimes at the life we are fortunate to lead which is so different to theirs. Now when i see and hear stories of the current situation there it is impossible to remain numb. Those kids are not just "consequences of war" and contrary to popular belief they are worth grieving over.

I wouldn't consider my "no-grieving" idea popular, but who knows maybe I'm wrong.

You must accept the fact that some people will not feel anything towards these deaths.

But to be clear that cannot be equivocated with wanting more deaths or any other sort of pleasure taking, it's basically a stance of neutrality.

 

[Sababa]

Blockades,

direct result of bombing.......

cutting the Palestinians off from resources,

direct result of terror attacks. (if you are talking about security barrier)

occupation of their lands and dwellings, etc.

explain further please

Essentially, Israel would need to recognize the rights and liberties of the Palestinian people and act accordingly.

They have and offered statehood, guess what happened.

If they went further and into reconstruction, it would go even further towards fighting the hate.

Reconstruction of what exactly?

But it's embedded generationally on both sides, so it will take some time no matter what.

Except only one side currently sees the others right to exist......guess who?

But build roads and sewers and water plants and schools and hospitals, etc

.

You know how many of those could have been built in Gaza with all the aid that flowed into there after the Israelis pulled out? What was that money spent on? Wanna try and guess?

That sort of action can lead to a quelling of hate and fear, and once people have something to lose they are less likely to engage in activities to lose it.

So you want Israel to go back in to rebuild Gaza....after they pulled out leaving pretty decent infrastructure that was almost immediately destroyed by Hamas as Zionist infrastructure......but yeah that is the answer.

 

[Ikari]

direct result of bombing.......



direct result of terror attacks. (if you are talking about security barrier)


explain further please



They have and offered statehood, guess what happened.



Reconstruction of what exactly?



Except only one side currently sees the others right to exist......guess who?


.

You know how many of those could have been built in Gaza with all the aid that flowed into there after the Israelis pulled out? What was that money spent on? Wanna try and guess?



So you want Israel to go back in to rebuild Gaza....after they pulled out leaving pretty decent infrastructure that was almost immediately destroyed by Hamas as Zionist infrastructure......but yeah that is the answer.

If you're killing 1000's of civilians, you don't see the other's right to exist. Economic and resource control would have to be turned over as well. The blockades would have to go away, sorry. But to promote peace, the other side has to have a chance at life. If you're unwilling to allow that, you do not see the other's right to exist and you're just prolonging the conflict. Bombing people to the stone age, preventing their progress, forcing them into squalor, continually pulling military might against rights, etc. only go to to make tensions worse, only serve to fuel hate. At that point, it's just a cycle that will endlessly repeat (which is where we are at).

This fight has gone on for so long that all that remains is the hate. A conflict like that only ends either by wiping out the other side completely or both sides dropping it completely. That's it. No 1 side in this is 100% innocent.

 

[Lutherf]

Blockades, cutting the Palestinians off from resources, occupation of their lands and dwellings, etc. Essentially, Israel would need to recognize the rights and liberties of the Palestinian people and act accordingly. If they went further and into reconstruction, it would go even further towards fighting the hate. But it's embedded generationally on both sides, so it will take some time no matter what. But build roads and sewers and water plants and schools and hospitals, etc. That sort of action can lead to a quelling of hate and fear, and once people have something to lose they are less likely to engage in activities to lose it.

If you build the Palestinians a school they fill it with children and launch rockets from the roof. If you build them a hospital they fill it with the sick and injured then launch rockets from the roof. If you build them a park they launch rockets from the playground. The "innocents" don't fight back because if they do their children have bombs strapped to them and are sent through the tunnels.

The Palestinians are pawns of the Islamists. They are nothing more than a recruiting tool for crazies bent on jihad.

 

[Ikari]

If you build the Palestinians a school they fill it with children and launch rockets from the roof. If you build them a hospital they fill it with the sick and injured then launch rockets from the roof. If you build them a park they launch rockets from the playground. The "innocents" don't fight back because if they do their children have bombs strapped to them and are sent through the tunnels.

The Palestinians are pawns of the Islamists. They are nothing more than a recruiting tool for crazies bent on jihad.

Yes, both sides need to stop, this is true. But to end a cycle of hate will require leaving the hate behind. Rebuilding can help sway the aggregate public's opinions and help a future peace to be realized.

 

[Lutherf]

Yes, both sides need to stop, this is true. But to end a cycle of hate will require leaving the hate behind. Rebuilding can help sway the aggregate public's opinions and help a future peace to be realized.

Just over the weekend Israel instituted a unilateral cease fire. They stopped operations while rockets continued to rain down on them. My sympathy for their plight is pretty minimal.

 

[clownboy]

Israel is doing a genocide on children and civilians.

Someone needs to look up the word "genocide". Then you might also want to look up "hyperbole".

 

[clownboy]

Blockades, cutting the Palestinians off from resources, occupation of their lands and dwellings, etc. Essentially, Israel would need to recognize the rights and liberties of the Palestinian people and act accordingly. If they went further and into reconstruction, it would go even further towards fighting the hate. But it's embedded generationally on both sides, so it will take some time no matter what. But build roads and sewers and water plants and schools and hospitals, etc. That sort of action can lead to a quelling of hate and fear, and once people have something to lose they are less likely to engage in activities to lose it.

Those blockades are in place not to cut Palestinians off from needed resources (which ARE allowed through btw), but to keep the outside arms from flowing in.

 

[Ikari]

Those blockades are in place not to cut Palestinians off from needed resources (which ARE allowed through btw), but to keep the outside arms from flowing in.

And in the aggregate response, which includes these blockades, the Palestinians are cut off from needed resources. Keeping people poor and impoverished is not a way to win sympathy.

 

[Ikari]

Just over the weekend Israel instituted a unilateral cease fire. They stopped operations while rockets continued to rain down on them. My sympathy for their plight is pretty minimal.

Didn't quite "rain down" on Israel, and Israel also fired on Gaza, so again it seems like both sides are doing similar things.