The Case for Equality in Gun Ownership

[RF667799]

I have not denied it.

Because it's true.

Just as you cannot prove it is written in our law. Like it is in yours.

Of course it's written in your law. Reasonable force can be used in self defense, and your courts recognize that lethal force can be reasonable.

 

[CLAX1911]

We're standing for our rights and you're critical of that.

You only get to do that if you're gay apparently and only for the right to be gay and not for anything else.

I suppose people are only supposed to stand for their rights, if they are rights acceptable to you.

That's exactly what it is see he thinks that being gay is some sort of revolutionary act when the reality is I just want to be like everyone else. And same-sex marriage and gay rights are about making me like everyone else

Well too bad. We don't have an Anonymous New Zealand Poster litmus test on the legitimacy of our rights.

I think it's kind of weird he puts gay people on a pedestal.

 

[CLAX1911]

How ridiculous that americans like you think a government gets to decide things.

The in our country is the people the politicians serve the people they do what they're told that's the way it's supposed to work.

A string society of people willing to stand for their rights prevents dictatorships.

A strong society governs itself doesn't need a big boss to control the world for them.

But you would not understand that being a person who needs to rely on a gun rather than a community.

The two aren't in competition with each other. The community is strong because they have firearms if they didn't to government could just shoot them all.

That's happened before it's happening now.

 

[aociswundumho]

And do you support ending the disarming of convicted felons,

Yes, of course.

If this were so, why is it not universally recognized, even in the Western democracies ?

It is recognized. If you are physically attacked, and you fight back with your fists, no democracy will imprison you for it. However many of them will imprison you for defending yourself with a firearm, which is a violation of your right to self defense. As I said in the OP, just like the right to eat means the right to own food, and the right to self-defense means the right to own and carry a firearm. Politicians and cops defend themselves with guns. Their lives are not worth more than ours.

 

[soylentgreen]

I'm scared of what they would do if they had absolute power over me. Governments that do that killed more people in the 20th century then religion did in five centuries previous to it.

So if you're not worried about that you don't know your history.

Every government on the face of the Earth since Mesopotamia is gunning for every single right every single person has.

I'm glad you realize this in just the scope of this one particular leftist ideal but you need to understand that it expands to every right and every person.

i worry about that too. But I do not waste my time thinking a bunch of civilians with guns will ever make a difference.

And do not try and evade the issue. Your government is coming for you because you are gay. And all you can do is pretend it is not happening. What good will your gun do when christian america declares you to evil to live among them in a good christian society.

 

[soylentgreen]

We're standing for our rights and you're critical of that.

I suppose people are only supposed to stand for their rights, if they are rights acceptable to you. Well too bad. We don't have an Anonymous New Zealand Poster litmus test on the legitimacy of our rights.

True, But I can point out how incredibly stupid your gun rights are.

 

[soylentgreen]

It can't be a dictatorship too many people here have guns. You can't have a dictatorship if the people can kill you.

That's why the second amendment was instituted in the Constitution when it was first written.

I'm glad you realize the necessity of firearms for the people. It's just for every single right not just people who are gay.

And yet there you are with a government run by one man telling you what to do, what to think. It was always obvious that when dictatorship comes to america it will come wrapped in the flag

 

[RF667799]

True, But I can point out how incredibly stupid your gun rights are.

By asserting that you don't like them? That doesn't carry much weight.

 

[soylentgreen]

The in our country is the people the politicians serve the people they do what they're told that's the way it's supposed to work.

A strong society governs itself doesn't need a big boss to control the world for them.

The two aren't in competition with each other. The community is strong because they have firearms if they didn't to government could just shoot them all.

That's happened before it's happening now.

No, your politicians tell you what to think and do. You do not have a strong society because your politicians have learned well the ideal of divide and conquer. Even now they look for the new enemy of america, gay people. So they look to ban gay marriage. They tell you that a real american man is heterosexual that a real american woman stays at home and has children and does not vote. You're gay you no longer are an american, you are now the enemy.

 

[Peter]

Those that ban free speech for a start.

Here is an example of one nation that is demanding access to private information. I guess you support that.

Apple drops encryption feature for UK users after government reportedly demanded backdoor access

Apple says it will stop offering an advanced data security option for British users after the government reportedly demanded that the company provide backdoor access for any data those users have stored in the cloud.

apnews.com

If you actually knew anything about this issue you'd know that the police still require the OK from a judge and a very good reason to get at any data on people.
They can't just do random searches.
This issue has been wildly overblown in the US.

 

[soylentgreen]

By asserting that you don't like them? That doesn't carry much weight.

no, by asserting how stupid the arguments for gun rights are. That too does not carry much weight in america where stupidity is considered a god given right.

 

[RF667799]

no, by asserting how stupid the arguments for gun rights are. That too does not carry much weight in america where stupidity is considered a god given right.

Ah. So as usual, the point is just to hurl invective at America. Hard to say what prompts this obsession.

 

[soylentgreen]

Ah. So as usual, the point is just to hurl invective at America. Hard to say what prompts this obsession.

No, your usual point is to avoid answering the question. And not hard to say what prompts your obsession to deflect. Which is you can only come up with shitty answers that are completely laughable.

 

[rahl]

Actually that part is NOT negotiable when inside the home. We have the Castle Doctrine in the U.S., and the right to use deadly force IS absolute . . . when inside the home.

I am a huge 2nd amendment supporter. You can check my posting history. But this statement is dangerously ignorant. Not every state has the castle doctrine. You do not have a right in every state to use deadly force inside the home over property.

In the U.S., it depends on where the thief is when you shoot him.

If he's inside your home and he forced entry to commit a crime, then the inhabitant(s) may presume that the thief intends to cause injury or death to the inhabitants, and deadly force may be used without legal or criminal liabilities to the inhabitant(s).

All 50 states observe the Castle Doctrine (stand-your-ground) while inside the home. Some states observe the Castle Doctrine only within one’s home, while other states allow its use in additional locations, such as a vehicle or workplace.


Self defense and deadly force is absolute while inside the home.

 

[RF667799]

No, your usual point is to avoid answering the question. And not hard to say what prompts your obsession to deflect. Which is you can only come up with shitty answers that are completely laughable.

I went back through six or so exchanges, and didn't see a question. What is it you're seeking wisdom on?

 

[Individual]

Are you arguing for racial guilt? That all black people deserve harsher sentences because of their race?

No, and far from it. When 2 or more persons are convicted of being involved in the commission of a crime, they should be sentenced equally and race/ethnicity should have no bearing at all.

Data shows Black men receive harsher punishments than whites for same crimes

Black men statistically received harsher prison sentences than white men who commit the same crimes, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission.

www.wtkr.com

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/study-finds-racial-disparities-whether-us-judges-impose-prison-2023-11-14/

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2413&context=articles

One in Five: Racial Disparity in Imprisonment — Causes and Remedies – The Sentencing Project

Learn three main causes of racial disparity in imprisonment and promising reforms from across the country that can mitigate their impact.

www.sentencingproject.org

Racial Disparities Persist in Many U.S. Jails

Although a wave of changes to sentencing and corrections policies over the past two decades has helped lessen disparities in federal and state prisons, Black adults still were imprisoned in 2020 at five times the rate for White adults.

www.pewtrusts.org

2023 Demographic Differences in Federal Sentencing

(November 2023) A report updating the Commission's data analysis concerning demographic differences in federal sentencing practices.

www.ussc.gov

A simple search will find you plenty of news stories and studies about just that.

The Devil's always in the details. Leniency should begin with the charge brought and end with the finding of the jury, leaving the Judge only to impose a mandatory sentence relative to what a guilty verdict has been predetermined to be.

 

[soylentgreen]

I went back through six or so exchanges, and didn't see a question. What is it you're seeking wisdom on?

Of course you didn't. How else can you dishonestly keep avoiding the problem that you have no answer to give. As I said, you will not because you cannot.
Now that you have once again been exposed as a nothing more than a dishonest contributor, go away and do not bother me again.

 

[RF667799]

Of course you didn't. How else can you dishonestly keep avoiding the problem that you have no answer to give. As I said, you will not because you cannot.
Now that you have once again been exposed as a nothing more than a dishonest contributor, go away and do not bother me again.

Instead of spending all that time making personal attacks, you could have just repeated or pointed out the question I supposedly won't answer.

 

[SkyChief]

I am a huge 2nd amendment supporter.

Irrelevant.

You can check my posting history.

I believe you.

But this statement is dangerously ignorant. Not every state has the castle doctrine.

The point is that in ALL states (incl. Duty to Retreat states), if a person forces his or her way into your home, then you may (legally) use deadly force to neutralize that intruder. ALL STATES.

You do not have a right in every state to use deadly force inside the home over property.

Yes you DO in certain situations. When you are in your HOME OR a confined space where there is no escape, deadly force can be used without civil or criminal liabilities.

 

[rahl]

Irrelevant.

I believe you.

The point is that in ALL states (incl. Duty to Retreat states), if a person forces his or her way into your home, then you may (legally) use deadly force to neutralize that intruder. ALL STATES.

No you can’t.

Yes you DO in certain situations. When you are in your HOME OR a confined space where there is no escape, deadly force can be used without civil or criminal liabilities.

Not in all states. Deadly force can’t be used to protect property in the vast majority of states.

 

[Rich2018]

No, and far from it. When 2 or more persons are convicted of being involved in the commission of a crime, they should be sentenced equally and race/ethnicity should have no bearing at all.



The Devil's always in the details. Leniency should begin with the charge brought and end with the finding of the jury, leaving the Judge only to impose a mandatory sentence relative to what a guilty verdict has been predetermined to be.

Good point, well made.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, your politicians tell you what to think and do.

No we tell them what to do

You do not have a strong society because your politicians have learned well the ideal of divide and conquer. Even now they look for the new enemy of america, gay people.

What? I've not heard of this

So they look to ban gay marriage.

Who?

They tell you that a real american man is heterosexual that a real american woman stays at home and has children and does not vote.

I've never heard of this from anybody

You're gay you no longer are an american, you are now the enemy.

What?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

The right to self-defense is one of the most fundamental human rights. It doesn’t matter who you are - rich or poor, powerful or powerless - you have an absolute, non-negotiable right to protect your life and property. That much should be obvious. If someone attacks you, you have every right to fight back with whatever means necessary. One of the clearest expressions of this truth is captured in the old saying: "God made man, Sam Colt made them equal." A gun is the great equalizer, ensuring that strength, size, or numbers don’t dictate who gets to live and who becomes a victim. Without guns, the weak are at the mercy of the strong, and all of us are at the mercy of criminals. When people are denied the right to own and carry guns, they are effectively stripped of the ability to defend themselves.

The right to self-defense is meaningless if you’re denied access to the most effective tools to exercise it. Saying you have the right to defend yourself - but not with a gun - is like saying you have the right to eat but not to own food. A right that can’t be exercised in reality is no right at all. If society genuinely values human life, it should ensure that people have the best means of protecting themselves. And whether the gun-hating crowd likes it or not, firearms are the best tool for that job. If rights apply to everyone equally, then anyone arguing against gun ownership should be demanding disarmament across the board - but they never do. The politicians screeching about "gun violence" have armed security. The wealthy, anti-gun activists live in gated communities with private guards. And the cops, who will happily enforce gun bans on you, wouldn’t dream of giving up their own firepower. The message is clear: self-defense is a privilege reserved for the political class, while the rest of us are expected to be defenseless.

Gun control laws in the US have never applied to those in power. They disarm regular people while ensuring that the state - and its enforcers - remain armed to the teeth. Politicians who push for bans and restrictions are always surrounded by guns. Cops, who enforce those laws, carry guns every single day. The hypocrisy isn’t just blatant - it’s a deliberate feature of the system. The people making the rules don’t just believe in guns; they rely on them. They just don’t think you deserve that same right. A society that claims to value equality cannot accept this two-tiered system. The right to self-defense isn’t a privilege for the political class - it belongs to everyone. If the government and its enforcers can carry guns, then so can the people. If you support gun control, then you believe some lives are worth defending while others are disposable.

So what does the right to self defense mean exactly? You use it in the context of someone else attacking you. Is that all self defense means?

 

[RF667799]

No we tell them what to do

What? I've not heard of this

Who?

I've never heard of this from anybody

What?

He makes up things to satisfy his need to bash America.

 

[CLAX1911]

He makes up things to satisfy his need to bash America.

He needs to be a little less far fetched. I'm a gay man living in a very red state and I don't get any of this.