The Bible

[tosca1]

They were saying stuff they learned in life to express their feelings but it in no way shape or form supports the claims that the bible is true any more than if they said the earth is a beautiful as Helen would have supported the existence of Greek Gods.

You asked about the relevancy.
They were MOVED by the experience.
They were reading out of FAITH.




Psalm 8:3-5
“When I look at the night sky and see the work of your fingers— the moon and the stars you set in place— what are mere mortals that you should think about them,
human beings that you should care for them? Yet you made them only a little lower than God and crowned them with glory and honor.”

 

[tosca1]

When the morning stars sang together......................(excerpt from Job 38:7)


Also refer to post #750

The Bible

Life was not formed from dust. Are you saying that life is not comprised of those 11 elements listed above?

debatepolitics.com

During transits around the far side of the moon, Apollo astronauts recorded strange "music" on their communication equipment.

 

[tosca1]

TRACED: LOST TRIBE OF ISRAEL IN AFRICA




The 32 verses from Genesis 10, contain the family tree of Noah and his three sons.
Post-Flood humanity came from them.
Their lines of descendants populated the world.

African tribe descended from Jews, DNA tests show​

DNA tests on the Lemba tribe of central Zimbabwe and northern South Africa show that they are of Jewish or Semitic origin, the BBC reported.

Their prized religious artifact is a replica of the Biblical Ark of the Covenant known as the ngoma lungundu, meaning "the drum that thunders," the BBC reported. Their sacred prayer language is a mixture of Hebrew and Arabic.
The Lemba also have 12 tribes, including a priestly clan that has agenetic element found in Jewish priests or Cohanim, according to thereport.

Many of the Lemba in Zimbabwe are Christians, while some are Muslims.

African tribe descended from Jews, DNA tests show

Tribe's customs similar to Jewish ones, including male circumcision, ritual animal slaughter, abstaining from eating pork and wearing skull caps.

www.jpost.com

The team collected DNA samples from Bantu (African), Yemeni (Arab), and Sephardic Jews and Azhkenazi Jews (including Cohanim from both communities) to compare the amount of similarity that existed between each of these groups.
As we've seen, the more similar the Y chromosome, the more closely related are some individuals in the different groups to a common paternal ancestor. As a consequence, one can establish links between populations.

In an interview with NOVA, team member Dr. David Goldstein commented on the team's findings: "The first striking thing about the Y chromosomes of the Lemba is that you find this particular chromosomal type (Cohen modal haplotype) that is characteristic of the Jewish priesthood in a frequency that is similar to what you see in major Jewish populations. Something just under one out of every 10 Lemba that we looked at had this particular Y chromosomal type that appears to be a signature of Jewish ancestry. Perhaps even more striking is the fact that this Cohen genetic signature is strongly associated with a particular clan in the Lemba. Most of the Cohen modal haplotypes that we observe are carried by individuals of the Buba clan which, in Lemba oral tradition, had a leadership role in bringing the Lemba out of Israel."

What this study shows is that the Lemba, and more specifically some members of the Buba sub-clan, seem to have an ancestral connection to Judaic populations.
Like an oral history, but written in the letters of their DNA, the Lemba Y chromosome hands from father to son a living record of the past.

NOVA Online | Lost Tribes of Israel | The Lemba

Group in Africa Has Jewish Roots, DNA Indicates

 

[tosca1]

TRACED: The ASHKENAZI JEWS


The 32 verses from Genesis 10 (The Table of Nations), contain the family tree of Noah and his three sons.
Post-Flood humanity came from them.
Their lines of descendants populated the world.




The largest study to date of ancient DNA from Jewish individuals reveals unexpected genetic subgroups in medieval German Ashkenazi Jews and sheds light on the “founder event” in which a small population gave rise
to most present-day Ashkenazi Jews.

The findings, spearheaded by geneticists from The Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Harvard Medical School, were published Nov. 30 in Cell.

About half of Jewish people around the world today identify as Ashkenazi, meaning that they descend from Jews who lived in Central or Eastern Europe. The term was initially used to define a distinct cultural group of Jews who settled in the 10th century in the Rhineland in western Germany.

The analysis revealed two distinct subgroups within the remains: one with greater Middle Eastern ancestry, which may represent Jews with origins in Western Germany, and another with greater Eastern and Central European ancestry. The modern Ashkenazi population formed as a mix of these groups and absorbed little to no outside genetic influences over the 600 years that followed, the authors said.


Some disease-causing mutations that are widespread in modern Ashkenazi Jews are suspected to have been introduced by members of the founding group long ago. The team found some of these mutations in Erfurt as well, indicating that the medieval Ashkenazi population indeed originated from an extremely small set of founders.

Ancient DNA Provides New Insights into Ashkenazi Jewish History

Analysis reveals medieval genetic diversity, illuminates founder event

hms.harvard.edu

Ashkenaz (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנָז‎ ʾAškənāz) in the Hebrew Bible is one of the descendants of Noah.
Ashkenaz is the first son of Gomer, and a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations.
In rabbinic literature, the descendants of Ashkenaz were first associated with the Scythian cultures, then later with the Slavic territories,[1] and, from the 11th century onwards,
with Germany and northern Europe, in a manner similar to Tzarfat or Sefarad.

Ashkenaz - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[tosca1]

TRACED: AMERICAN INDIANS LINKED TO ASHKENAZI JEWS



The 32 verses from Genesis 10 (The Table of Nations), contain the family tree of Noah and his three sons.
Post-Flood humanity came from them.
Their lines of descendants populated the world.



In 1650, Rabbi Menashe Ben Israel, Chief Rabbi of Amsterdam, recorded in his book Mikveh Yisrael a conversation that he had with a Jewish Dutch explorer of the Americas. The explorer related how he made contact with the Native Americans but after trying to communicate with them in every possible European language, he had no success. Both he and his first mate, being Jews, they began to talk among themselves in Hebrew. To his utter amazement, upon hearing them speak Hebrew, the Native American chief responded by saying “Shema Yisrael.”

NOW HERE is an interesting fact showing a different Jewish connection to American Indians. Researchers at Israel’s Sheba medical center near Tel Aviv have found an unexpected link in a group of Native Americans living in Colorado – to Jews. It is a genetic mutation that predisposes carriers to breast and ovarian cancer and is found disproportionately in Jews of Ashkenazi origin.

Researchers conducted additional genetic testing and identified a common ancestor: a Jew who came to South America from Europe some 600 years ago, about the time that Jews were forced out of Spain and Christopher Columbus discovered the New World. The mutation among the Native American population is identical to that found among Ashkenazi Jews, offering solid proof of long-ago Jewish intermarriage with Native American tribes.

Exploring the connections between Jews and Native Americans

The connections between Jews and Native Americans have not been well explored, but in there are notable writings and discussions on common roots. history, and vision and goals.

www.jpost.com

 

[Quag]

You asked about the relevancy.
They were MOVED by the experience.
They were reading out of FAITH.




Psalm 8:3-5
“When I look at the night sky and see the work of your fingers— the moon and the stars you set in place— what are mere mortals that you should think about them,
human beings that you should care for them? Yet you made them only a little lower than God and crowned them with glory and honor.”

Yes they were moved and used stuff they learned to express it
That in no way shape or form supports the existence of the Christian God

 

[tosca1]

Actually Im giving you a non supernatural explanation for flood myths.
As to creation myths they can vary extensively and are easily explained by the fact that humans ask questions and have answers even without anything to support such answers.
Phlogiston is a rather recent (historically speaking) example of this.
Hence creation myths and why they differ so much, they are not based on evidence but imagination

You're missing the point.

My argument is that................... MANKIND HAS BEEN HARDWIRED TO WORSHIP GOD.

That's why all throughout the ages - man's default reaction, is to worship a deity whenever they're faced with something that frightens them, or threatens them.

As atheists love to point out - men refers to a diety something that which they can't explain or comprehend.
They automatically refer to a deity because....................................... man is hardwired to GOD.
However - they instead, made themselves idols, or they made what frightens/threatens them their gods (like volcanoes)


Yes, creation narratives vary greatly. So what?
It's still a CREATION narrative.
My point is that they all have one thing in common: they all talk about CREATION.

 

[tosca1]

They were saying stuff they learned in life to express their feelings but it in no way shape or form supports the claims that the bible is true any more than if they said the earth is a beautiful as Helen would have supported the existence of Greek Gods.

It's not only because earth and the cosmos are beautiful.



The National Academy of Sciences also says:
"Scientists, like many others, are touched with awe at the order and complexity of nature. "
Indeed, many scientists are deeply religious. But science and religion occupy two separate realms of human experience.
Demanding that they be combined detracts from the glory of each."

WMAP Site FAQs

Public access site for The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and associated information about cosmology.

map.gsfc.nasa.gov

 

[tosca1]

Yes they were moved and used stuff they learned to express it

Yes. They glorified The Creator - The Abrahamic God.

That in no way shape or form supports the existence of the Christian God

No - not just by itself.
And, I'm not giving just that alone.

I've also given these - most, if not all, are.............................. information that only The CREATOR would know.




These are some of the factual truths found in the Bible - as reaffirmed by modern science.


Superiority over beasts - #21, #31
Dominion over and stewardship of all creation - #89
Hydrological Cycle - #70
Description of destruction of Sodom consistent with archeological findings - #71
Stretching Universe - #111
The biblical curse on the snake - #133
The human body - #134
Genesis creation narrative in the right order. - #180 (thanks to Patriotic Voter); #182and #183
Springs in the ocean - #288
The universe has a beginning – the Big bang - #342
One land. One ocean. - #349

Pathfinder of The Seas (Matthew Maury) - #527
SPECIES - #621
Where Did The Great Flood Water Go? - #622
WIND and the WATER CYCLE - #622
Ark Specification - #649
Physical Laws are Constant - #671
Singing Stars - #750
Orion and Arcturus - #751

Natural Laws - #944

Infant Earth (Psalm 104) - #947
"It Should never be moved" - FOUNDATIONS (Psalm 104) - #953, #955, #957, #958 (Elora), #962, #967, #991, #999, #1000, #1004, #1008, #1012, #1014
FOUNDATIONS (plural form) Psalm 104 - #982
Invisible Axis - #994


Infant Earth – #1,071
Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (videos) - #1,072, 1,073
Dinosaurs In The Bible (video) - #1,075


Theory: Criminal Law, part of Human Nature (made into the image of God) – #1,091

NUTRITION (Fruits and Veggies) - #1,094
Science was created by GOD (had stopped backing atheism and pointing back to God, article) - #1,097
On MANY FLOOD and CREATION stories - #1,100, 1,119, 1,127,

The recesses of the deep (Job 38 and Psalm 107) - #1,238, 1,239


Apollo 8 Genesis Book-reading - #1,247, 1,249, #1,251


When The Morning Stars Sang Together - `#1,252


Traced: Lost Tribe of Israel In Africa - #1,253
Traced: The Ashkenazi Jews - #1,254
Traced: American Indians Linked To Askenazi Jews – 1,255

 

[Arlette]

Nevertheless - they all have a great flood story - one such as Noah's Flood.
And, it was an extremely devastating kind of flooding - as you say, a significant numbers have been killed.
That's the point I'm making.

Actually - you're giving support for the figurative interpretation of Noah's Flood (that it could've been regional).



AND, most of them have another thing in common (though they vary): narratives on................................. CREATION.

Unless they all happened at the same time as the flood in the Bible, it's not the Bible story flood

 

[Arlette]

You're missing the point.

My argument is that................... MANKIND HAS BEEN HARDWIRED TO WORSHIP GOD.

That's why all throughout the ages - man's default reaction, is to worship a deity whenever they're faced with something that frightens them, or threatens them.

As atheists love to point out - men refers to a diety something that which they can't explain or comprehend.
They automatically refer to a deity because....................................... man is hardwired to GOD.
However - they instead, made themselves idols, or they made what frightens/threatens them their gods (like volcanoes)


Yes, creation narratives vary greatly. So what?
It's still a CREATION narrative.
My point is that they all have one thing in common: they all talk about CREATION.

And what do you think is so significant about it?

 

[Arlette]

You're missing the point.

My argument is that................... MANKIND HAS BEEN HARDWIRED TO WORSHIP GOD.

That's why all throughout the ages - man's default reaction, is to worship a deity whenever they're faced with something that frightens them, or threatens them.

As atheists love to point out - men refers to a diety something that which they can't explain or comprehend.
They automatically refer to a deity because....................................... man is hardwired to GOD.
However - they instead, made themselves idols, or they made what frightens/threatens them their gods (like volcanoes)


Yes, creation narratives vary greatly. So what?
It's still a CREATION narrative.
My point is that they all have one thing in common: they all talk about CREATION.

No, not hardwired to worship some God. Hardwired for answers, knowledge, figuring stuff out. That's how we progress

 

[Quag]

You're missing the point.

My argument is that................... MANKIND HAS BEEN HARDWIRED TO WORSHIP GOD.

That's why all throughout the ages - man's default reaction, is to worship a deity whenever they're faced with something that frightens them, or threatens them.

As atheists love to point out - men refers to a diety something that which they can't explain or comprehend.
They automatically refer to a deity because....................................... man is hardwired to GOD.
However - they instead, made themselves idols, or they made what frightens/threatens them their gods (like volcanoes)


Yes, creation narratives vary greatly. So what?
It's still a CREATION narrative.
My point is that they all have one thing in common: they all talk about CREATION.

No you are missing the point
Mankind is hardwired to have answers and when there isnt any actual answer they tend to make them up

Mankind is certainly not hardwired to worship God that is disproven by the fact for most of human history mankind was polytheistic not monotheistic
If you were born into ancient Greek, ancient Egypt, Aztec, Inca, Mayan, Assyrian, etc culture you would be polytheistic and not worship anything approachung the God you worship now

 

[Quag]

It's not only because earth and the cosmos are beautiful.



The National Academy of Sciences also says:
"Scientists, like many others, are touched with awe at the order and complexity of nature. "
Indeed, many scientists are deeply religious. But science and religion occupy two separate realms of human experience.
Demanding that they be combined detracts from the glory of each."

WMAP Site FAQs

Public access site for The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and associated information about cosmology.

map.gsfc.nasa.gov

Science saying it doesn't do religion doesn't mean it agrees with any religion

 

[Quag]

Yes. They glorified The Creator - The Abrahamic God.

They merely expressed themselves in terms they had learned

No - not just by itself.
And, I'm not giving just that alone.

It doesnt support the claim of God at all on any level

I've also given these - most, if not all, are.............................. information that only The CREATOR would know.




These are some of the factual truths found in the Bible - as reaffirmed by modern science.


Superiority over beasts - #21, #31
Dominion over and stewardship of all creation - #89

Above are merely claims

Hydrological Cycle - #70
Description of destruction of Sodom consistent with archeological findings - #71
Stretching Universe - #111
The biblical curse on the snake - #133
The human body - #134
Genesis creation narrative in the right order. - #180 (thanks to Patriotic Voter); #182and #183
Springs in the ocean - #288
The universe has a beginning – the Big bang - #342
One land. One ocean. - #349

Pathfinder of The Seas (Matthew Maury) - #527
SPECIES - #621
Where Did The Great Flood Water Go? - #622
WIND and the WATER CYCLE - #622
Ark Specification - #649
Physical Laws are Constant - #671
Singing Stars - #750
Orion and Arcturus - #751

Reinterpreting of the bible to pretend it means what we now know and was not considered to mean that by those who wrote the bible

Natural Laws - #944

Infant Earth (Psalm 104) - #947
"It Should never be moved" - FOUNDATIONS (Psalm 104) - #953, #955, #957, #958 (Elora), #962, #967, #991, #999, #1000, #1004, #1008, #1012, #1014
FOUNDATIONS (plural form) Psalm 104 - #982
Invisible Axis - #994


Infant Earth – #1,071
Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (videos) - #1,072, 1,073
Dinosaurs In The Bible (video) - #1,075


Theory: Criminal Law, part of Human Nature (made into the image of God) – #1,091

NUTRITION (Fruits and Veggies) - #1,094
Science was created by GOD (had stopped backing atheism and pointing back to God, article) - #1,097
On MANY FLOOD and CREATION stories - #1,100, 1,119, 1,127,

The recesses of the deep (Job 38 and Psalm 107) - #1,238, 1,239


Apollo 8 Genesis Book-reading - #1,247, 1,249, #1,251


When The Morning Stars Sang Together - `#1,252


Traced: Lost Tribe of Israel In Africa - #1,253
Traced: The Ashkenazi Jews - #1,254
Traced: American Indians Linked To Askenazi Jews – 1,255

More retconning the Bible to try and make it mean what you want

 

[tosca1]

No you are missing the point
Mankind is hardwired to have answers and when there isnt any actual answer they tend to make them up

You should read again.

Mankind is certainly not hardwired to worship God that is disproven by the fact for most of human history mankind was polytheistic not monotheistic
If you were born into ancient Greek, ancient Egypt, Aztec, Inca, Mayan, Assyrian, etc culture you would be polytheistic and not worship anything approachung the God you worship now

I don't think you understand what is being said.

This is what I said:

That's why all throughout the ages - man's default reaction, is to worship a deity whenever they're faced with something that frightens them, or threatens them.


Your response doesn't make any sense.

What is polytheistic? Do you know?
What is Monotheistic? Do you know?



Anyway - I'm not talking nonsense here.


A three-year international research project, directed by two academics at the University of Oxford, finds that
humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife.

Humans 'predisposed' to believe in gods and the afterlife

New research finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife. Research suggests that people across many different cultures instinctively believe that some part of their mind, soul or spirit lives on after-death. The studies demonstrate that people are natural...

www.sciencedaily.com

You're wasting my time.

Bye-bye Quag.......................until you've got something COHERENT to say, or something worth responding to.

 

[Arlette]

You should read again.












I don't think you understand what is being said.

This is what I said:

That's why all throughout the ages - man's default reaction, is to worship a deity whenever they're faced with something that frightens them, or threatens them.


Your response doesn't make any sense.

What is polytheistic? Do you know?
What is Monotheistic? Do you know?



Anyway - I'm not talking nonsense here.


A three-year international research project, directed by two academics at the University of Oxford, finds that
humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife.

Humans 'predisposed' to believe in gods and the afterlife

New research finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife. Research suggests that people across many different cultures instinctively believe that some part of their mind, soul or spirit lives on after-death. The studies demonstrate that people are natural...

www.sciencedaily.com

You're wasting my time.

Bye-bye Quag.......................until you've got something COHERENT to say, or something worth responding to.

Yeah, tend to your goosebumps

 

[Quag]

You should read again.












I don't think you understand what is being said.

This is what I said:

That's why all throughout the ages - man's default reaction, is to worship a deity whenever they're faced with something that frightens them, or threatens them.


Your response doesn't make any sense.

What is polytheistic? Do you know?
What is Monotheistic? Do you know?



Anyway - I'm not talking nonsense here.


A three-year international research project, directed by two academics at the University of Oxford, finds that
humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife.

Humans 'predisposed' to believe in gods and the afterlife

New research finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife. Research suggests that people across many different cultures instinctively believe that some part of their mind, soul or spirit lives on after-death. The studies demonstrate that people are natural...

www.sciencedaily.com

You're wasting my time.

Bye-bye Quag.......................until you've got something COHERENT to say, or something worth responding to.

You keep using the singular it is not deity but deities
You also keep missing the actual point though that deities are not hardwired but the desire for answers is so strong we use our imaginations when we dotn have actual anwers

 

[tosca1]

1 Cor 15
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

​

​

​

Types of Stars​

The universe’s stars range in brightness, size, color, and behavior. Some types change into others very quickly, while others stay relatively unchanged over trillions of years.


Scientists call a star that is fusing hydrogen to helium in its core a main sequence star.
Main sequence stars make up around 90% of the universe’s stellar population.
They range in luminosity, color, and size – from a tenth to 200 times the Sun’s mass – and live for millions to billions of years.


Red Giants
White Dwarfs
Neutron Stars
Pulsars
Magnetars
Red Dwarfs

Types

Types of Stars The universe’s stars range in brightness, size, color, and behavior. Some types change into others very quickly, while others stay relatively unchanged over trillions of years. Main Sequence Stars A normal star forms from a clump of dust and gas in a stellar nursery. Over hundreds...

universe.nasa.gov

 

[tosca1]

Job 28
5 The earth, from which food comes,
is transformed below as by fire;

 

[tosca1]

Joshua 10
12 On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon,
and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on[b] its enemies,

​

‘Joshua stopped the sun’ 3,224 years ago today, scientists say​

Researchers claim epic Biblical story is earliest account of annular eclipse that occurred on October 30, 1207 BCE; also helps pinpoint reigns of Pharaohs Ramesses and Merneptah​

Cambridge researchers announced Monday that they have pinpointed the date of the biblical account of Joshua stopping the sun — which they claim is the day of the oldest eclipse ever recorded —
to October 30, 1207 BCE, exactly 3,224 years ago.


In a paper published in the “Royal Astronomical Society journal Astronomy & Geophysics,” researchers explained that they were consequently also able to refine the dates of the reigns of two Egyptian pharaohs of that era,
Ramesses the Great and his son Merneptah.


The paper reinforces research published earlier this year by Israeli scientists, which also interpreted the biblical story as referring to an eclipse on the same date.
Humphreys said that if the biblical account means that the light from the sun appeared to stop shining, it may refer to an eclipse.

“This interpretation is supported by the fact that the Hebrew word translated ‘stand still’ has the same root as a Babylonian word used in ancient astronomical texts to describe eclipses,” he said.



“The researchers developed a new eclipse code, which takes into account variations in the Earth’s rotation over time,” Cambridge University said in its statement. “From their calculations,
they determined that the only annular eclipse visible from Canaan between 1500 and 1050 BC was on 30 October 1207 BC, in the afternoon.”

“Independent evidence that the Israelites were in Canaan between 1500 and 1050 BC can be found in the Merneptah Stele,” the Cambridge University statement said.

The paper then goes on to apply this event to precisely date the reigns of two ancient Egyptian pharaohs.

‘Joshua stopped the sun’ 3,224 years ago today, scientists say

Researchers claim epic Biblical story is earliest account of annular eclipse that occurred on October 30, 1207 BCE; also helps pinpoint reigns of Pharaohs Ramesses and Merneptah

www.timesofisrael.com

​

How Scientists Identified the Oldest Known Solar Eclipse … Using the Bible​

The Old Testament certainly features its share of miracles, from burning bushes to humans transforming into pillars of salt. But among the Bible’s clearly mythological moments are some that aren’t as clear cut.
Consider the striking verses from Joshua 10:12, when the Hebrew leader Joshua brings the Israelites into battle in Canaan: “And he said in the sight of Israel, ‘O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon.’
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies.”


For physicist Sir Colin Humphreys and astrophysicist Graeme Waddington, this passage suggested something more than fantasy or hyperbole. “If these words are describing a real observation,”
they speculate in a new paper, published in Astrophysics and Geosciences, “then a major astronomical event was being reported.”
And if a solar eclipse did indeed take place on October 30, 1207 BC—as they conclude in their paper—that would have important repercussions for the fields of astronomy, Egyptology and Biblical history.

How Scientists Identified the Oldest Known Solar Eclipse ... Using the Bible

The new research by two physicists adds to astronomical knowledge—and overturns previous Biblical interpretations

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[phoenix2020]

Joshua 10
12 On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel:

“Sun, stand still over Gibeon,
and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on[b] its enemies,

​

‘Joshua stopped the sun’ 3,224 years ago today, scientists say​

Researchers claim epic Biblical story is earliest account of annular eclipse that occurred on October 30, 1207 BCE; also helps pinpoint reigns of Pharaohs Ramesses and Merneptah​

Cambridge researchers announced Monday that they have pinpointed the date of the biblical account of Joshua stopping the sun — which they claim is the day of the oldest eclipse ever recorded —
to October 30, 1207 BCE, exactly 3,224 years ago.


In a paper published in the “Royal Astronomical Society journal Astronomy & Geophysics,” researchers explained that they were consequently also able to refine the dates of the reigns of two Egyptian pharaohs of that era,
Ramesses the Great and his son Merneptah.


The paper reinforces research published earlier this year by Israeli scientists, which also interpreted the biblical story as referring to an eclipse on the same date.
Humphreys said that if the biblical account means that the light from the sun appeared to stop shining, it may refer to an eclipse.

“This interpretation is supported by the fact that the Hebrew word translated ‘stand still’ has the same root as a Babylonian word used in ancient astronomical texts to describe eclipses,” he said.



“The researchers developed a new eclipse code, which takes into account variations in the Earth’s rotation over time,” Cambridge University said in its statement. “From their calculations,
they determined that the only annular eclipse visible from Canaan between 1500 and 1050 BC was on 30 October 1207 BC, in the afternoon.”

“Independent evidence that the Israelites were in Canaan between 1500 and 1050 BC can be found in the Merneptah Stele,” the Cambridge University statement said.

The paper then goes on to apply this event to precisely date the reigns of two ancient Egyptian pharaohs.

‘Joshua stopped the sun’ 3,224 years ago today, scientists say

Researchers claim epic Biblical story is earliest account of annular eclipse that occurred on October 30, 1207 BCE; also helps pinpoint reigns of Pharaohs Ramesses and Merneptah

www.timesofisrael.com

​

How Scientists Identified the Oldest Known Solar Eclipse … Using the Bible​

The Old Testament certainly features its share of miracles, from burning bushes to humans transforming into pillars of salt. But among the Bible’s clearly mythological moments are some that aren’t as clear cut.
Consider the striking verses from Joshua 10:12, when the Hebrew leader Joshua brings the Israelites into battle in Canaan: “And he said in the sight of Israel, ‘O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon.’
So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies.”


For physicist Sir Colin Humphreys and astrophysicist Graeme Waddington, this passage suggested something more than fantasy or hyperbole. “If these words are describing a real observation,”
they speculate in a new paper, published in Astrophysics and Geosciences, “then a major astronomical event was being reported.”
And if a solar eclipse did indeed take place on October 30, 1207 BC—as they conclude in their paper—that would have important repercussions for the fields of astronomy, Egyptology and Biblical history.

7 Phoenix 21
“He who constantly changes font sizes and colors diminishes the word of Jesus and of God, and is working in the service of Satan.”

 

[Ug make hammer]

1 Cor 15
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

​

​

​

Types of Stars​

The universe’s stars range in brightness, size, color, and behavior. Some types change into others very quickly, while others stay relatively unchanged over trillions of years.


Scientists call a star that is fusing hydrogen to helium in its core a main sequence star.
Main sequence stars make up around 90% of the universe’s stellar population.
They range in luminosity, color, and size – from a tenth to 200 times the Sun’s mass – and live for millions to billions of years.


Red Giants
White Dwarfs
Neutron Stars
Pulsars
Magnetars
Red Dwarfs

Types

Types of Stars The universe’s stars range in brightness, size, color, and behavior. Some types change into others very quickly, while others stay relatively unchanged over trillions of years. Main Sequence Stars A normal star forms from a clump of dust and gas in a stellar nursery. Over hundreds...

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I'm glad that you appreciate the GLORY of stars. However it's not measured by what Biblical age people could see with their bare eyes. The brightest star in the sky (besides the Sun) is Sirius A which is 25 times brighter than the Sun ... but this is nowhere near the brightest a star can be. It's just fairly close to us.

Also close (and appearing fifth brightest) is Arcturus. It's a red giant with luminosity of 170 times that of the Sun. It only appears dimmer than Sirius because it's further away.

There are stars with MILLIONS of times the luminosity of the Sun. That should be the definition of "glory" imo. But if the human race had held to the cowering view that the Bible explains everything, we would never have built telescopes so we wouldn't even know those stars exist. We probably wouldn't even know about galaxies.

Is there any mention of galaxies in the Bible? Some of the "glorious stars" you can see are actually billions of stars. There's glory in big numbers too ...

 

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I'm glad that you appreciate the GLORY of stars. However it's not measured by what Biblical age people could see with their bare eyes. The brightest star in the sky (besides the Sun) is Sirius A which is 25 times brighter than the Sun ... but this is nowhere near the brightest a star can be. It's just fairly close to us.

Also close (and appearing fifth brightest) is Arcturus. It's a red giant with luminosity of 170 times that of the Sun. It only appears dimmer than Sirius because it's further away.

There are stars with MILLIONS of times the luminosity of the Sun. That should be the definition of "glory" imo. But if the human race had held to the cowering view that the Bible explains everything, we would never have built telescopes so we wouldn't even know those stars exist. We probably wouldn't even know about galaxies.

Is there any mention of galaxies in the Bible? Some of the "glorious stars" you can see are actually billions of stars. There's glory in big numbers too ...

Stop right there.

I never said the Bible explains everything.

 

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THE BIBLE SAID IT FIRST!



Dr. Ross explains in this series that God has given us two books: the book of nature--what we can find out about Him from what He has created--and the book of Scripture, God’s written record of all He wants us to know.
Do they agree? What does each tell us about God?