The abortion issue paralyzing our country is easily solved.

[BirdinHand]

if there isn't a living unborn, there is no pregnancy ... "potential" has nothing to do with it



making a decision to have a living unborn killed - without the man having any say in it

many states/people have said no, that's not how a progressive society respecting life does things and we're stopping it



we can value both you know - its not one or the other

your side wants no responsibility in the choices of having sex, just have the unborn killed and done



I can see that. To me, a woman chooses sex, creates a human life, there is a responsibility (10 months) to have that child and not have it killed . The man IMO should be responsible (at the very least) for 18 years all financial obligations for the child including insurance etc

So, again, it comes back to a need to control women.

No more, no less.

 

[Big Brother]

...
I can see that. To me, a woman chooses sex, creates a human life, there is a responsibility (10 months) to have that child and not have it killed . The man IMO should be responsible (at the very least) for 18 years all financial obligations for the child including insurance etc

Here's a good one. In the interest of total inclusion, the father should also have a say in abortion. And if a woman gets pregnant and wants to keep the baby, the man also gets a say if she should have an abortion or not. If he officially states he wants an abortion and the woman doesn't have the abortion, then the man has no further responsibility, physically or financially, to the baby. In this case abortion is a godsend to fathers. And women will be much more careful to not get pregnant in the first place.

 

[Gordy327]

your opinon

Nope, just fact!

or women self identifying as not pregnant

that'd stop it all too wouldn't it ?

Whatever works.

I won't stop, because in my country, my society, I do not want killing unborn babies to exist. Its NOT progressive, its damaging in countless ways and needs to be stopped with respect to rape and mothers health I'd agree with

No one cares what you want and frankly, you're being selfish and quite sanctimonious to push what you want onto others, especially when their choices does not concern you! Explain how abortion damages society! Society is not negatively affected by abortion in the least and no one has demonstrated otherwise yet.

ban all other abortions - we're better than that

Better means respecting individual choice and autonomy over your own selfish desires!

 

[Galactic Spin]

Here's a good one. In the interest of total inclusion, the father should also have a say in abortion.

No.

The end.

 

[Logician Man]

I won't stop, because in my country, my society, I do not want killing unborn babies to exist. Its NOT progressive, its damaging in countless ways and needs to be stopped with respect to rape and mothers health I'd agree with

Do you feel as strongly about not wanting the unborn in countries other than the U.S. to be aborted? Or do you 'not' concern yourself with the same passion/compassion for the unborn in countries' "societies" other than the U.S. society?

 

[weaver2]

.... everything is a concern, very few things don't impact other people. .....

Your postings indicate your only concern is the fetus. Most of the women ending their pregnancy are doing so because of their concern for the already born members of the family. 75% of all women who abort are low wage workers or are poor and a child or another child will push the family deeper into poverty. This is not a financial inconvenience as so many anti-abortion advocates claim. It is a life destroying situation for struggling families. The statistics on children growing up in poverty are horrifying. That you can ignore and dismiss the already born so easily is proof that you don't really feel concern for anything except the fetus.

I also support the responsibility that comes with it for the man and woman. Its not something to do lightly

Someone that supports responsible families doesn't force them to add a child or another child when they know they cannot support that child in a caring way that insures it grows up to be a contributing member of society.

Supporting responsible behavior would mean supporting programs that provide highly effective contraceptives to all women. Anti-abortion advocates do not do that nor do they support paid maternity leave, pre and post natal care clinics, or honest sex-ed in schools, family counseling, universal health insurance that covers all contraceptives and abortion when needed.
Look at what anti-abortion advocates do support: a sex-ed program that increases teen pregnancy, banning abortion(which history has proven doesn't reduce abortion) vigilante programs that spy on and report, for money, possible abortions, invasion into a families most intimate and private decisions, establishment of conservative religious views about women's role in society and a focus on preserving the fetus at any cost. This is not responsible behavior. This is just punishing women and children.

 

[Gordy327]

So, again, it comes back to a need to control women.

No more, no less.

Not just control, but also sanctimony & hypocrisy. They claim to value "life," but generally make exceptions to that so called "value" when it's an issue of rape or incest. Clearly they don't value "life" equally, and in the case of the pregnant woman, they don't value her life or autonomy at all, especially if it contradicts their own desires.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Not just control, but also sanctimony & hypocrisy. They claim to value "life," but generally make exceptions to that so called "value" when it's an issue of rape or incest. Clearly they don't value "life" equally, and in the case of the pregnant woman, they don't value her life or autonomy at all, especially if it contradicts their own desires.

The anti choice crowd is mostly people acting out of our selfishness, trying to punch their personal tickets to heaven. If not for religious nuttery, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

 

[weaver2]

I won't stop, because in my country, my society, I do not want killing unborn babies to exist. Its NOT progressive, its damaging in countless ways and needs to be stopped......

OK then if abortion is damaging to the country in countless ways then stop supporting the policies and programs that cause unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. Stop supporting abstinence only sex-ed. It actually increases teen pregnancy. Stop fighting against universal health insurance. Stop cheering on a SC that lets corporations limit the contraceptives they will insure. Stop forcing reproductive health clinics out of the state with regulations designed to close clinics. Stop supporting anti-abortion organizations like Priests for Life, Live Action and Center for Medical Progress that lie about abortion, abortion providers, clinics, women, families and contraceptives.

Progressive support like funding highly effective contraceptives that women control have proven that abortion can be reduced by 40% or more. Support paid maternity leave. Support honest sex-ed, family counseling, clinics in rural areas, and stop attacking poor women. Anything less is just indulging your pettiness and punishing women.

Banning abortion doesn't stop abortion. We proved that with 50 years of states banning abortion.

 

[Lursa]

nor you

however, for the sake of a discussion board, the facts remains ..... abortion is the act of killing the unborn to stop a pregnancy

Yes it is...and what authority that Americans are obligated to follow says it's wrong?

for politically correct/wokeness I do have a question - why can't pregnant women just self identify as not pregnant? wouldn't that solve everything ?

Why should they deny themselves enjoying sex, using birth control, which most couples do? Esp. if they can use a safer medical procedure to end the pregnancy?

You've presented no argument beyond your feelings why she shouldnt. So who cares about your feelings? You dont care about hers. Do you have an actual legal or moral argument or just your feelings?

 

[Lursa]

then why do people have baby showers ?

Are the gifts for the fetus or the baby?

The baby is the anticipated new family member.

 

[Lursa]

No.

The end.

Just scroll by...he has needs...his emotionally-driven verbally-vomitus posts are fulfilling those.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Are the gifts for the fetus or the baby?

The baby is the anticipated new family member.

"the baby"

you're right - its all for the baby

nobody has a "fetus shower"

 

[Lursa]

"the baby"

you're right - its all for the baby

nobody has a "fetus shower"

Correct. Thanks for making my point. Why would they?

 

[FreeStorm84]

then why do people have baby showers ?

You tell me.

 

[soylentgreen]

Here's a good one. In the interest of total inclusion, the father should also have a say in abortion. And if a woman gets pregnant and wants to keep the baby, the man also gets a say if she should have an abortion or not. If he officially states he wants an abortion and the woman doesn't have the abortion, then the man has no further responsibility, physically or financially, to the baby. In this case abortion is a godsend to fathers. And women will be much more careful to not get pregnant in the first place.

So basically your argument is that the woman must take all responsibility while the man can do anything he wants and never must face the consequences of his own actions.

 

[Galactic Spin]

"the baby"

you're right - its all for the baby

nobody has a "fetus shower"

Just as they don't have a fetus funeral.

 

[weaver2]

"the baby"

you're right - its all for the baby

nobody has a "fetus shower"

LOL and this is your reason for banning abortions "we have baby showers not fetus showers" proving for all time that abortion kills a baby? The reasoning is ludicrous the premise is sophomoric.

 

[Gordy327]

The reasoning is ludicrous the premise is sophomoric.

sounds like Anti-abortion arguments in a nutshell.

 

[hecatmoggie]

So basically your argument is that the woman must take all responsibility while the man can do anything he wants and never must face the consequences of his own actions.

except when I posted a man should be (at a minimum) responsible for 18 years for all financial costs of the child that he helped create - did you miss that ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

You tell me.

because they've got a baby and they want to celebrate

 

[Gordy327]

except when I posted a man should be (at a minimum) responsible for 18 years for all financial costs of the child that he helped create - did you miss that ?

Abortion will solve that problem for both of them. And for us taxpayers if additional support is required.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Correct. Thanks for making my point. Why would they?

because its a baby, not a fetus

its a baby in every way - i don't need to explain this to parents who've went through having children

from the moment pregnancy is confirmed, their baby is there, alive, it gets medical attention, it gets showers, it gets names and read to and sang to ..... a living human being

 

[BirdinHand]

because its a baby, not a fetus

its a baby in every way - i don't need to explain this to parents who've went through having children

from the moment pregnancy is confirmed, their baby is there, alive, it gets medical attention, it gets showers, it gets names and read to and sang to ..... a living human being

Except it isn’t.

It is an embryo or a fetus. It isn’t a baby until it is outside the mother’s body, alive.

You realize that fetuses that die in utero don’t get death certificates, right?

Do you know why that is?

Because in order to die, you have to have been alive. And to be alive, you have to be alive outside of the womb.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Abortion will solve that problem for both of them. And for us taxpayers if additional support is required.

you're right, killing the baby ends the unborn's life which makes it super easy for the mom and the dad both

I'm surprised you're not a big supporter of ending human life up until a couple of years old because of how I've read your posts on the value of life and how humans are the problem and adults are more valuable than non-adults etc etc

Just an observation