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The abortion issue paralyzing our country is easily solved.

Get to petitioning the scientists to improve the artificial womb technology then.

Because a ZEF doesn’t have the right to grow inside a woman’s body and rely upon her heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, thyroid, etc without her permission.

I've been around a lot of message boards over the years, this one is the first I've ever seen people demanding unborn babies get permission to be an unborn baby

its crazy talk
 
I've been around a lot of message boards over the years, this one is the first I've ever seen people demanding unborn babies get permission to be an unborn baby

its crazy talk
What’s crazy talk is that folks think they have the right to demand women grow humans inside their bodies when they do not want to.
 
What’s crazy talk is that folks think they have the right to demand women grow humans inside their bodies when they do not want to.

I believe in choice

Choice to have sex and take the chance to get preggo ..... don't want a baby? There is one sure fire way to not do that .... don't have sex. However, if you DO choose sex, and a baby DOES come from it .... there is a huge responsibility there to be met.
 
I believe in choice

Choice to have sex and take the chance to get preggo ..... don't want a baby? There is one sure fire way to not do that .... don't have sex. However, if you DO choose sex, and a baby DOES come from it .... there is a huge responsibility there to be met.
You believe in punishing women for having sex.

No more, no less.

We get it.

It all comes down to controlling women.
 
I've been around a lot of message boards over the years, this one is the first I've ever seen people demanding unborn babies get permission to be an unborn baby

its crazy talk
You're not dealing with logical people here, logic goes right over their heads, so you might as well throw logic out the window.
 
You believe in punishing women for having sex.

No more, no less.

We get it.

It all comes down to controlling women.

you believe in killing the unborn, no more, no less, we get it

it call comes down to killing the unborn for convenience ..... I'll never agree with that
 
with those views, its easy to justify killing anybody, isn't it ?
I'm just stating facts.
I know what viability is, and it doesn't define what life is
"Life" doesn't define when abortion is allowed.
you can't not agree - literally abortion is killing the unborn so the woman's body won't be pregnant anymore. When you tear it into pieces etc, its not "dying of its own accord"
So? I think most people understand what abortion is.
personal responsibility isn't a big deal for you - I get it - but when you're talking about creating life and killing it .... its a pretty big deal IMO
Big deal to whom? If it doesn't involve you, then it doesn't concern you. And having an abortion is taking responsibility.
I've been around a lot of message boards over the years, this one is the first I've ever seen people demanding unborn babies get permission to be an unborn baby

its crazy talk
What's crazy is people believing the unborn are babies. Or that abortion is any of their business.
I believe in choice
Good. Then that means you support a woman's right yo choose abortion.
you believe in killing the unborn, no more, no less, we get it

it call comes down to killing the unborn for convenience ..... I'll never agree with that
No, some of us believe in actual choices. Not selective choices to appeal to a bias or belief.
 
You're not dealing with logical people here, logic goes right over their heads, so you might as well throw logic out the window.
Provide a logical reason to restrict or prohibit abortion!
 
No one cares what you agree with.

nor you

however, for the sake of a discussion board, the facts remains ..... abortion is the act of killing the unborn to stop a pregnancy

for politically correct/wokeness I do have a question - why can't pregnant women just self identify as not pregnant? wouldn't that solve everything ?
 
I'm just stating facts.

I can actually appreciate the honesty - if human life has no value, don't stop at birth, elevate the age to 1 or 3 or something, right ?

"Life" doesn't define when abortion is allowed.

no, but it does have a profound impact on many people to understand they're killing unborn babies by supporting abortion ... for too long, the lie that unborn aren't alive has been spread

So? I think most people understand what abortion is.

you've got posters right here, right now, saying abortion is not killing the unborns - ask them why

Big deal to whom? If it doesn't involve you, then it doesn't concern you. And having an abortion is taking responsibility.

voters

everything is a concern, very few things don't impact other people. Abortion directly affected me - it killed my first and only grandchild

What's crazy is people believing the unborn are babies. Or that abortion is any of their business.

watch how women/families coo over pregnancies and babies ... its not crazy at all. its actually very beautiful

Good. Then that means you support a woman's right yo choose abortion.

I do believe in people's rights to not have sex which leads to pregnancy - that's 100% choice, I support their choices

If they want sex/chance of babies, I support them doing it. I also support the responsibility that comes with it for the man and woman. Its not something to do lightly

No, some of us believe in actual choices. Not selective choices to appeal to a bias or belief.

bias or belief is what people have been conditioned with for decades since Roe ... thank God it was reversed
 
you've got posters right here, right now, saying abortion is not killing the unborns - ask them why
This is a strawman. Everyone is aware that the unborn are alive and killed in an abortion. That's not the issue. Your side calls them babies. The unborn are not babies.
 
no, but it does have a profound impact on many people to understand they're killing unborn babies by supporting abortion ... for too long, the lie that unborn aren't alive has been spread
Yes, abortion ends the potential for life that exists with a pregnancy.

It respects the life of the woman and HER choice because she is the breathing, sentient human in the equation.

You value the non-sentient, non-breathing, non-living without the body of the mother as a host...over the woman. Because you view pregnancy as a repercussion for the woman having sex and the responsibility of the woman for having sex.

I value the woman and her choice more.
 
Provide a logical reason to restrict or prohibit abortion!
I am 150% PRO-ABORTION. Why would I do that? I breathe a sigh of relief every time a radical leftist has an abortion. I encourage radical leftists to have abortions. I may even start a fund that makes abortion absolutely free for all radical leftists. I think the US should codify abortion and raise the development cutoff to the point where offspring are fully capable of taking care of themselves without the need of parents or state.
 
I can actually appreciate the honesty - if human life has no value, don't stop at birth, elevate the age to 1 or 3 or something, right ?
You never explained or quantified what this "value" is, much less explain what makes the unborn more valuable than the pregnant woman gestating it.
no, but it does have a profound impact on many people to understand they're killing unborn babies by supporting abortion ... for too long, the lie that unborn aren't alive has been spread
Immaterial. "Life" is nothing more than a trigger word, but otherwise irrelevant to abortion allowances.
you've got posters right here, right now, saying abortion is not killing the unborns - ask them why
Irrelevant. They can have their opinions.
voters

everything is a concern, very few things don't impact other people. Abortion directly affected me - it killed my first and only grandchild
Sounds like a personal family issue. A total strangers abortion does not concern you, nor does it negatively affect society in the least.
watch how women/families coo over pregnancies and babies ... its not crazy at all. its actually very beautiful
Sounds like they chose to continue a pregnancy. Anti choicers seem to want to force others to endure pregnancy, especially if they do not want to.
I do believe in people's rights to not have sex which leads to pregnancy - that's 100% choice, I support their choices

If they want sex/chance of babies, I support them doing it. I also support the responsibility that comes with it for the man and woman. Its not something to do lightly
If you don't support their choice to end their pregnancy at their discretion, then you don't really support choice. Don't pretend that you do.
bias or belief is what people have been conditioned with for decades since Roe ... thank God it was reversed
That's a problem. People are too driven by feelings and are quite irrational.
 
nor you

however, for the sake of a discussion board, the facts remains ..... abortion is the act of killing the unborn to stop a pregnancy

for politically correct/wokeness I do have a question - why can't pregnant women just self identify as not pregnant? wouldn't that solve everything ?
Why can't you just mind your own damned business? Why do you insist on butting in between a woman and her doctor and trying to involve yourself in their issues?
Frankly, it's more than a little creepy.
 
however, for the sake of a discussion board, the facts remains ..... abortion is the act of killing the unborn to stop a pregnancy
The fact also remains, abortion is a woman's personal choice and no one else's business or concern.
for politically correct/wokeness I do have a question - why can't pregnant women just self identify as not pregnant? wouldn't that solve everything ?
You know what would solve everything? People minding their own business regarding another's choices regarding their own pregnancy.
 
This is a strawman. Everyone is aware that the unborn are alive and killed in an abortion. That's not the issue. Your side calls them babies. The unborn are not babies.

then why do people have baby showers ?
 
The fact also remains, abortion is a woman's personal choice am no one else's business or concern.
You know what would solve everything? People minding their own business regarding another's choices regarding their own pregnancy.
What if the right and radical left actually made a compromise. The right gives the left legal, codified abortion up to 21 years after birth, and the left agrees to STFU for once. Would you take the deal? No? What if they throw in California, that becomes its own independent country and all conservatives have to leave (those that haven't already) and CA becomes the first leftist utopia. Then would you take the deal? OK, what if they throw in Oregon?
 
Yes, abortion ends the potential for life that exists with a pregnancy.

if there isn't a living unborn, there is no pregnancy ... "potential" has nothing to do with it

It respects the life of the woman and HER choice because she is the breathing, sentient human in the equation.

making a decision to have a living unborn killed - without the man having any say in it

many states/people have said no, that's not how a progressive society respecting life does things and we're stopping it

You value the non-sentient, non-breathing, non-living without the body of the mother as a host...over the woman. Because you view pregnancy as a repercussion for the woman having sex and the responsibility of the woman for having sex.

we can value both you know - its not one or the other

your side wants no responsibility in the choices of having sex, just have the unborn killed and done :(

I value the woman and her choice more.

I can see that. To me, a woman chooses sex, creates a human life, there is a responsibility (10 months) to have that child and not have it killed . The man IMO should be responsible (at the very least) for 18 years all financial obligations for the child including insurance etc
 
Perhaps because they CHOSE to continue their pregnancy.

its not a baby - why call it a baby shower ?

c'mon .... everyone KNOWS they're babies, just unborn and different developmental stages

the "lets not call them babies" is designed for a purpose - to desensitize people on abortion killing them
 
The fact also remains, abortion is a woman's personal choice and no one else's business or concern.

your opinon

You know what would solve everything? People minding their own business regarding another's choices regarding their own pregnancy.

or women self identifying as not pregnant

that'd stop it all too wouldn't it ?


I won't stop, because in my country, my society, I do not want killing unborn babies to exist. Its NOT progressive, its damaging in countless ways and needs to be stopped with respect to rape and mothers health I'd agree with

ban all other abortions - we're better than that
 
its not a baby - why call it a baby shower ?
Anticipatory pomp and circumstance to be emotionally appealing.
c'mon .... everyone KNOWS they're babies, just unborn and different developmental stages

the "lets not call them babies" is designed for a purpose - to desensitize people on abortion killing them
They're babies at birth. Not before. That's just simple scientific fact. People calling the unborn "babies" seem to be too emotional to understand otherwise.
 
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