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Mycroft said:
I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of doomsday scenarios, but there is no indication they will come to pass.
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Doomsday?

We are talking about things that happened.

Things that are being cleaned up or should be.

Any company worth its salt will do as little as possible to ensure Pollution is controlled.

I work in the Agrochemicals industry. One plant I worked at has chemicals in the ground water ( herbicide) that it has not handled for 25 years. They used to dump chemicals in the tank farm, back when it was just gravel and not sealed with concrete. It would dump rain water contaminated with pesticides down the storm sewer which led to the river.

Northern Ontario has chemical drums dumped by a river leaking into the river. It has effected the people living downstream mental development ( mercury i believe) all from a paper mill.

So no Doomsday, just a full understanding of the profit motive and what will be done if companies can get away with it

www.epa.gov

What is Superfund? | US EPA

Learn about Superfund, EPA's nationwide program to identify, clean up, and return contaminated sites to productive use.
www.epa.gov www.epa.gov
 
ElChupacabra said:
Well, when someone campaigns against regulations without being specific, and who things humans aren't contributing to climate change, it's hard to know what he means.
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Instead of speculating and doomsday scenarios, maybe you should just wait and see before you get triggered.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Doomsday?

We are talking about things that happened.

Things that are being cleaned up or should be.

Any company worth its salt will do as little as possible to ensure Pollution is controlled.

I work in the Agrochemicals industry. One plant I worked at has chemicals in the ground water ( herbicide) that it has not handled for 25 years. They used to dump chemicals in the tank farm, back when it was just gravel and not sealed with concrete. It would dump rain water contaminated with pesticides down the storm sewer which led to the river.

Northern Ontario has chemical drums dumped by a river leaking into the river. It has effected the people living downstream mental development ( mercury i believe) all from a paper mill.

So no Doomsday, just a full understanding of the profit motive and what will be done if companies can get away with it

www.epa.gov

What is Superfund? | US EPA

Learn about Superfund, EPA's nationwide program to identify, clean up, and return contaminated sites to productive use.
www.epa.gov www.epa.gov
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Totally irrelevant to the thread topic.
 
Mycroft said:
Instead of speculating and doomsday scenarios, maybe you should just wait and see before you get triggered.
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Not triggered at all. Since I remember Trump making changes to the Clean Air Act that loosened air quality and water regulations, it's not hard to think we're in for more of the same. Maybe people miss more mercury in the air.
 
mike2810 said:
I understand more than you can imagine.
Question: DOGE wants to cut federal agencies and employees by 75%.
Who is going to do the "expedited" NEPA process?
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mike2810 said:
Even a "expedited" NEPA review can take years.
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I think you put your finger right on the source of at least one of the problems and people's frustrations with the EPA right there.

mike2810 said:
Congress has not been able to get much done for decades. I highly doubt they can change the environmental laws they passed within the first year of Trump's second term.

I will take your non answer to my question of "Have you ever been involved with writing and preparing an Environmental Impact Statement or Environmental Analysis?"
is a big NO. I will go further to bet you have little understanding of the NEPA process and Land Use Planning process.
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Mycroft said:
Words have meaning and I oppose it when people make up their own meanings.
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Agreed. This a real problem for the left who are always changing the meaning of words to politically advantage themselves.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh. You think those regulations will go away...without any indication that'll happen.

Like I said...doomsday scenarios.
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Please refrain from hyperbole.
 
Expedited rules = Pay a lot of money and the massive PCE plume will suddenly be considered non-hazardous and not need to be remediated.
 
Luce said:
And we're back to dumping coal slurry into the water table!

Huzzah!
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Having a nice environment is for ******s.

Real Americans are happy to live in a post industrial hellscape of smog and megacities.
Think of the cities in Blade Runner as a template for what they aspire to have.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Totally relevant.

Companies will seek higher profit and pollution control costs a lot of money
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You will never convince Mycroft anything Trump suggest isn't amazing.
If Trump suggests turning Yellowstone into a huge open pit mine then you better believe he's going to be 100% behind the plan.
 
Lutherf said:
This is ridiculous!

The LAST thing we want is anyone to be investing in America. All that will happen is that we'll see more economic activity, more jobs and more tax revenue. If we keep that up then, eventually, people will be less dependent on the government and if government loses power to the people then who will all those government employees have left to "manage"?
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Why do you hate this country so much that you would sell it out to foreign investors that wish to pollute our air and water, and destroy our remaining wilderness?

"Hey, if you pay me enough, you can just dump your used oil in our rivers. Pay me enough, and clearcut that old growth forest, yeah, it's one of the last on earth, but it's for sale..."

America is a place, a land with borders, and in the end, that is all we have, yet you would let foreigners destroy it just to make a buck? That is about as Anti-American as it gets.
 
Taylor said:
Lol! It's like they've invested their entire life savings in red tape manufacurers.

"Wait! You want to do the same thing but more quickly and with less hassle? What is wrong with this country! You're all going to die!"
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I am all for a more efficient approval process. I am not for skirting an approval process just because you pay your way out of it. Y'all seem to think the best way to bring back companies from China is to allow those companies to do to the United States what they have done to China.
 
Trump: "Invest a lot in America, and I will let you do this here"

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Mycroft said:
Nonsense
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So that Trump reduced regulations when it came to protecting drinking water is not an indication that he will do more of the same?

Get ready to buy bottled water for the rest of your life. I shall call the US, North Mexico for now on
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Totally relevant.

Companies will seek higher profit and pollution control costs a lot of money
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And somehow, you think they'll get away with pollution just because Trump says he'll expedite the process.

Yeah...I call that irrelevant.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So that Trump reduced regulations when it came to protecting drinking water is not an indication that he will do more of the same?

Get ready to buy bottled water for the rest of your life. I shall call the US, North Mexico for now on
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We don't know what regulations he'll end, but that's irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about a process being expedited.

Please stop with the irrelevant doomsday scenarios.
 
Mycroft said:
And somehow, you think they'll get away with pollution just because Trump says he'll expedite the process.

Yeah...I call that irrelevant.
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Certainly

Combine fast approval, fewer inspections and relaxed regulations

And you will get pollution. The great old days of the 1950s and dumping chemical waste in drums on some guys ranch will come back in style.

After all the US was great in the 1950s.
 
Rexedgar said:
Any person or company investing ONE BILLION DOLLARS, OR MORE, in the United States of America, will receive fully expedited approvals and permits, including, but in no way limited to, all Environmental approvals. GET READY TO ROCK!!!
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/113630131209113398


10% off the top?
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Not clicking on that link. Eww.
abcnews.go.com

Making a $1B investment in the US? Trump pledges expedited permits — but there are hurdles

President-elect Donald Trump is promising expedited federal permits for energy projects and other construction worth more than $1 billion
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Lutherf said:
This is ridiculous!

The LAST thing we want is anyone to be investing in America. All that will happen is that we'll see more economic activity, more jobs and more tax revenue. If we keep that up then, eventually, people will be less dependent on the government and if government loses power to the people then who will all those government employees have left to "manage"?
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From the link I posted...

“Trump is unabashedly and literally offering to sell out America to the highest corporate bidder,'' said Lena Moffitt, executive director of Evergreen Action, an environmental group. She said the plan was “obviously illegal” and another example of Trump “putting special interests and corporate polluters in the driver’s seat, which would result in more pollution, higher costs and fewer energy choices for the American people.”

Alexandra Adams, chief policy advocacy officer at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said Trump should be careful what he wishes for.

“What if someone wants to build a waste incinerator next to Mar-a-Lago or a coal mine next to Bedminster golf course?" she asked, referring to Trump's Florida home and New Jersey golf club, respectively.
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Ishm said:
Biden has already screwed this plan sorry. Unemployment is so low that these investors won't be able to staff their operations. And with a big portion of the countries construction workers about to be deported, they won't be able to build any facilities either. Do you think Trump ever thinks this sh!t through before he goes out with his crazy announcements? The other point is that while the US has a XOS consumer base to leverage, the political scenario has become very unstable in a 3rd world type way. One thing foreign investors generally stay well away from are countries with unstable politics. For all they know, Trump could be just luring them to the US so he can control their assets and markets.
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Lots of federal employees will be looking for something to do.
I know, bad sense of humor.
 
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