The ‘Trump Won’ Farce Isn’t Funny Anymore

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Opinion | The ‘Trump Won’ Farce Isn’t Funny Anymore (Published 2020)

Republicans are now seriously arguing that elections are legitimate only when their side wins.

www.nytimes.com

It was never funny.

 

[OpportunityCost]

No, there is no evidence. Nothing you cited shows evidence of fraud.

Proving you don't understand the word evidence. You're dismissed.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Proving you don't understand the word evidence. You're dismissed.

You mean like Texas's lawsuit?

 

[Cork]

The problem is that neither side can prove it either way because there is no chain of custody attached to peoples votes. Without that its impossible to say one way or the other. This is an issue I raised prior to the vote and was dumbfounded that nobody was doing anything to fix it. The mess we have now was completely predictable.

I keep hearing argument and I don't get why you guys think it's a good one. If people cheat there have to be a method for them to cheat yet you guys haven't come up with anything at all or even point to a group of people who is doing the cheating.

Then you turn the argument around and then tell people to prove that there is no cheating. How is it possible to prove that there's no cheating going on? How do you prove that big foot doesn't exist? It's the same concept.

Even in georgia they recounted 3 times and been as open as possible and you guys still refuse to believe it was legit. There's nothing else there to prove.

 

[ElChupacabra]

'Naked' ballot rules put thousands of Pennsylvania mail-in votes at risk, Philadelphia official warns | CNN Politics

Philadelphia's top election official is warning that thousands of mail-in ballots could be thrown out in November unless changes are made to rules around "secrecy envelopes" -- second sleeves that help prevent poll workers from seeing how someone voted.

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About 10,000 Pennsylvania mail-in ballots arrived after Election Day — far too few to change the result if they’re thrown out

The vote counting continues. Even after races are called, even after the world’s eyes turn from Pennsylvania, workers are continuing to count ballots. Many of the remaining ballots are the sl…

www.chicagotribune.com

Michigan still counting votes, angry poll watchers barred in Detroit, Trump sues

Michigan, a battleground state that will help determine who wins the U.S. presidential election, is still counting "tens of thousands" of ballots according to a top state official and emotions were running high in Detroit, where poll watchers were barred from the counting...

www.reuters.com

Philadelphia Court Decision: Poll Watchers Now Allowed Within 6 Feet Of Ballot Counting At Pennsylvania Convention Center

The Trump campaign has secured a win in a Philadelphia lower court Thursday morning.

philadelphia.cbslocal.com

Fact-checking claims about Fulton County's election | These 'suitcases' are actually ballot containers

Supporters of the president are calling it #SuitcaseGate on social media. However, they are not suitcases. 11Alive confirmed they're the standard ballot containers.

www.11alive.com

All of you stating no evidence are dead wrong. There are multiple incidents pointing to evidence, proof differs from evidence. There is evidence.

The courts didn't think so, and ultimately that's the place where any kind of legal recourse is going to occur.

 

[beefheart]

 

[upsideguy]

My understanding is they keep enough ballots on hand so in close races they have what they need. What's your understanding?

The vote was consistent with the pre-election polling and Trump's approval rating. The actual result reflected the projected result.

No matter how many people looked at this, and lots did with keen interest in finding fraud, none was found. Please rejoin us in reality, come back to America, be a real patriot and accept (you don't have to like} the results with the election and move on with your life. Wallowing in your fantasy world is helping no one, especially you.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Opinion | The ‘Trump Won’ Farce Isn’t Funny Anymore (Published 2020)

Republicans are now seriously arguing that elections are legitimate only when their side wins.

www.nytimes.com

What Trump and the GOP are attempting here in the United States — overturning the Joe Biden victory — is little different than what longtime dictator Alexander Lukashenka is doing in Belarus — overturning the election victory of Svetlana Tsikounskaya.

The EU is sanctioning the Lukashenka regime of Belarus. That is how far down the authoritarian rabbit hole the Republicans have plunged.

‘This Must Be Your First’

Acting as if Trump is trying to stage a coup is the best way to ensure he won’t.

www.theatlantic.com

It's obvious to those with a brain that voting was done in many areas, states, in a suspicious manner. Laws were overlooked, legal votes were not always insured and illegal votes were made possible and were even encouraged. All legal votes should count, all illegal votes should be disregarded. Vote legally, one time, in your state of residence, with proof of identity and on time. Why is that a problem for democrats?

 

[Integrityrespec]

The vote was consistent with the pre-election polling and Trump's approval rating. The actual result reflected the projected result.

No matter how many people looked at this, and lots did with keen interest in finding fraud, none was found. Please rejoin us in reality, come back to America, be a real patriot and accept (you don't have to like} the results with the election and move on with your life. Wallowing in your fantasy world is helping no one, especially you.

The votes were inconsistent with data concerning the number of votes cast and the number of improper ballots recorded in any voting year for being improperly cast or recorded. The data shows that there was a disproportionate
number of irregular votes thrown out form any other election year. Millions more votes cast yet fewer irregular votes discarded than other years.

 

[trouble13]

I keep hearing argument and I don't get why you guys think it's a good one. If people cheat there have to be a method for them to cheat yet you guys haven't come up with anything at all or even point to a group of people who is doing the cheating.

Then you turn the argument around and then tell people to prove that there is no cheating. How is it possible to prove that there's no cheating going on? How do you prove that big foot doesn't exist? It's the same concept.

Even in georgia they recounted 3 times and been as open as possible and you guys still refuse to believe it was legit. There's nothing else there to prove.

They can count the same fraudulent votes a million times and the only thing it will tell you is that they counted those votes accurately.
What needs to be done is adopt a system that creates a secure chain of custody for all votes.

For instance when a frogotten/misplaced box of votes mysteriously appears...
It should be sealed and marked so that we know the origins of where that box came from. If the box isnt sealed the votes should be rejected.

 

[Cork]

They can count the same fraudulent votes a million times and the only thing it will tell you is that they counted those votes accurately.
What needs to be done is adopt a system that creates a secure chain of custody for all votes.

For instance when a frogotten/misplaced box of votes mysteriously appears...
It should be sealed and marked so that we know the origins of where that box came from. If the box isnt sealed the votes should be rejected.

Ok who is doing the cheating? Where are the fraudulent ballots coming from? How they get all these fraudulent ballots as registered voters? Do you have any idea how hard is is to cheat?

Do people just accept Trump words as gospel and throw out common sense?

 

[rahl]

Proving you don't understand the word evidence. You're dismissed.

I'm sorry that you were lied to, and that you are so gullible you actually bought into the batshit crazy conspiracy bullshit that trump pushed. But reality has now smacked you squarely in the face. There is no evidence of fraud. The DHS, DOJ, republican SoS's, governors 51 straight courts, including 2 rulings from the supreme court, have all told you this.

 

[upsideguy]

The votes were inconsistent with data concerning the number of votes cast and the number of improper ballots recorded in any voting year for being improperly cast or recorded. The data shows that there was a disproportionate
number of irregular votes thrown out form any other election year. Millions more votes cast yet fewer irregular votes discarded than other years.

The Trump campaign had every opportunity to make the case for voter fraud. The failed to make a compelling case..

They used the courts for their intended purpose: to hear and address their grievances They did so, but could not convince the courts that wrong doing existed or that they were harmed. They did so with over 50 cases and failed at nearly all of them. They had their day in court. The matter was presented, it was heard and it was dismissed. The ultimate result was consistent with what the states, the NSA, the FBI and the DOJ told us about the integrity of the 2020 elections and was consistent with the pre-election polling,

Its time for Trump supporters to put on their big boy pants, patriot-up and accept the fact that Trump presented his case for re-election, but did not carry the majority he needed to win re-election. The people have spoken! They want a change. The system worked.

 

[upsideguy]

The votes were inconsistent with data concerning the number of votes cast and the number of improper ballots recorded in any voting year for being improperly cast or recorded. The data shows that there was a disproportionate
number of irregular votes thrown out form any other election year. Millions more votes cast yet fewer irregular votes discarded than other years.

He had his day in court (50 of them). He had his chance to produce evidence of a problem. He failed (50 times) to do so. In fact, most of those cases were about process rather than fraud as the plantiffs knew there was no discernible fraud (though they sure raised money on it, didn't they?) They had no such evidence.

The rational conclusion is that there was no discernible election fraud. The rational conclusion is Biden won convincingly. Its time to move on. Put on your big American boy pants and welcome your new President.

 

[Rexedgar]

Too bad that Carl Sagan isn’t still around.......

 

[MSgt]

You clearly do not understand the basis of the Texas case.

Clearly, it was and continues to be you who has little understanding. Odd that Trump can stack the Supreme Court, and still couldn't get the judges to betray their country. You should take note.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The phrase 'bigger than Watergate' doesn't do this scandal justice.

The voters fixed our Trump problem.

That's all that happened.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The meddling and the rigging are two different things. By "rigging", we are not talking about public opinion. We are talking about illegal or quasi-legal manipulation of votes during the election by election officials or third parties.
This was rigged top to bottom. Big Tech, MSM, mail in ballots, Deep State and Dem run Urban areas. You name it and it was corrupt. FBI and DOJ do nothing.

this post is why i keep screaming about massive liars like Limbaugh and Hannity.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Trump doesn't tell me anything. Nor should he I make up my own mind.

that's funny because if you read Limbaugh's transcripts he'll say something or start using a tactic or come up with a slogan and sure enough it will be repeated here within the hour.

and now, all these decades later, Trump Republicans sound EXACTLY like Rush/Sean/Fox. that they don't even realize it makes complete sense. you can't be conned or manipulated or brainwashed if you have a decent about of common sense or intelligence.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Define shenanigans.

(plural noun) Secret or dishonest activity or maneuvering.

 

[MSgt]

The rational conclusion is that there was no discernible election fraud. The rational conclusion is Biden won convincingly. Its time to move on. Put on your big American boy pants and welcome your new President.

These people really don't have American pants anymore.

- They've spent four years worshipping a traitor who stood beside communist Putin against American Intel.

- They've spent four years worshipping a traitor who elevated Russian foreign policy interests above America's in Europe and the Middle East.

- They've spent four years worshipping a traitor who developed a "special bond" with the most brutal communist dictator on the planet.

- They've spent four years worshipping a traitor who routinely denigrated the military and American democratic institutions and global democratic allies.

- They spent four years worshipping a traitor who licensed Iran to start enriching again and maybe one day build a nuke.

- They've spent four years worshipping a traitor who shrugged over his unilateral betrayal of the Kurds, an active military ally against our enemies since 2003.

- They've spent four years worshipping a traitor who celebrated President Xi as a transparent leader, even while using China as a scapegoat for his own failures (trade deal, Covid).

- They've spent four years worshipping a traitor who tried to enlist a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 American election on his behalf.

- They've spent four years worshiping a traitor who's National Security Advisor called upon the military to perform sedition and to suspend the constitution.


The only thing American about Trump is a birth certificate. He clearly has no ideological or sentimental attachment to the country or its ideals. He's sees military service as beneath him. He is incapable of empathy. His callousness is such that his entire family proves unattached from the American fabric and human decency. This makes sense because Trump manages to drag anybody close to him into the gutter. He made a traitor out of Flynn; and an ignoramus crack-pot out of Giuliani. All he Trump is, is a shameless plutocrat who has used populism and the easily manipulated conservative mind as means to his end. Given Trump's complete lack of policy, zero infrastructure projects, and extreme promotion of the swamp he helped create, Trump's only four year agenda has been to run his Trump Organization from the White House.

Now, conservatives across America have revealed themselves for what they are too. The conclusion is that they made themselves traitors for this piece of shit. And the funny thing is that they think they can still default to their senseless insults of calling Democrats and liberals "communists" or "socialists" or "fascists." Yet, they aren't the ones who supported Putin, Kim-Jung-un, and other autocrats. Conservatives did, and clearly still do. No, these people don't have American pants. They have Russian, North Korean, and Turkish pants. And to try to avoid the treasonous trash they made of themselves they threaten civil war if American democracy doesn't suspend and just hand Trump a crown? Wouldn't be the first time their childish tantrums started one and lost.

 

[MSgt]

Proving you don't understand the word evidence. You're dismissed.

Funny how no judge in America understands "evidence," huh? Funny how Trump and the GOP can stack the Supreme Court, yet still can't create one that will simply bow to treasonous GOP demands.

You continue to fail because you persist on only caring about what right-wing propaganda shoves down your throat. You support a traitor and a Right-Wing Party. Over the years, the real victim has been American Conservatism. Add you to the tens of millions of others, and your blind partisan obsession to be senselessly loyal did this.

Stop being so easily manipulated, start giving a shit about the country you clearly do not deserve, and correct yourself.

 

[MSgt]

Trump doesn't tell me anything. Nor should he I make up my own mind.

HAHA! What an absolute joke! You people have proven to live and breath in accordance to right-wing propaganda or a Donald Trump Tweet. Even your Jesus-replacement in the White House is highly susceptible to propaganda. His Tweet about "millions of illegals voting for Hillary" in 2016, came from InfoWars and was passed off to FOX News:

2012 Study: They found that someone who watched only Fox News would be expected to answer 1.04 domestic questions correctly compared to 1.22 for those who watched no news at all.

2015 Study: A new study by Bruce Bartlett, a conservative economist, top official in the H.W. Bush administration and domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan, concluded that Fox News viewers tend to be less informed and engage in "self-brainwashing."

2016 Study: William Poundstone has done similar surveys, both of current events and with more general knowledge. "In my research too, Fox News viewers scored the lowest of over 30 popular news sources (though Fox viewers did at least score better than those saying they didn't follow the news)."

2017 Study: Trump has received unsparing coverage for most weeks of his presidency, without a single major topic where Trump’s coverage, on balance, was more positive than negative, setting a new standard for unfavorable press coverage of a president. Fox was the only news outlet in the study that came close to giving Trump positive coverage overall, however, there was variation in the tone of Fox’s coverage depending on the topic. When Trump’s category-by-category coverage was examined for each of the seven U.S. news outlets in our study, a consistent pattern emerged. The sources of Trump’s most and least negative coverage were similar for every outlet, except for Fox News.

2019 Study: Fox News likes to tout the “hard news” side of its operation, setting up a false distinction between its right-wing prime-time hosts and the members of its news team as a defense against those who flag the propaganda, lies, conspiracy theories, and bigotry that pervade the network. But a Media Matters investigation found that the “news side” isn't as inoculated as the network claims. We looked at Fox News and Fox Business programming for the first four months of 2019, and we documented examples of the “news” division spreading misinformation on air every single day between January 1 and April 30.

So, let's just dispense with the idea that you make up anything in your own mind. You are fed. You regurgitate. Today, we see a quick and easy transition from the QAnon crap to a debunked conspiracy that Trump's was cheated. You people will stop at nothing to soothe your own wounded pride and your personal needs to deny reality. And this is why everybody here is easily able to debunk the nonsense with simple widely-understood facts and logic; and why you and the rest simply move on to the next absurd conspiracy theory, courtesy of the radical right-wing that will also stop at nothing to wreck the country as long as it boosts alt-right agendas.

 

[prometeus]

Trump doesn't tell me anything. Nor should he I make up my own mind.

Yea, it shows...

 

[Tbird19482]

The votes were inconsistent with data concerning the number of votes cast and the number of improper ballots recorded in any voting year for being improperly cast or recorded. The data shows that there was a disproportionate
number of irregular votes thrown out form any other election year. Millions more votes cast yet fewer irregular votes discarded than other years.

If this were true then they would have some proof and could have taken it into court,
But they haven't been able to prove this .
Bring this proof in and the court will rule on it , so far all this looks like is a bunch of lies with nothing to back it up
Have a nice day